So, Arm The Syrian Rebels, Or What? Poll

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Spilling into Lebanon now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/world ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[YoUDeeMan]

Spilling into Lebanon now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/world ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's been spilling into Lebanon, and Turkey, and Iraq, for quite some time now. You must have missed the, "in a new way" referencing the kidnappings.

Hezbollah has some interesting choices ahead...their main ally and supplier is being taken down by the West, with the help of the West's Al-Qaida allies.

"Quite clearly, since 2007, the US and its allies were knowingly arraying sectarian extremists with direct ties to Al Qaeda against Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. Likewise in 2011, the US while leading NATO operations in Libya, armed, trained, funded, and provided air support for Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) militants - also with direct ties to Al Qaeda.

The Associated Press joins Western governments in resigning its legitimacy and credibility with their recent report titled, "U.S. fears extremists could highjack goals of anti-Assad rebels," which claims:

Al-Qaida has advanced beyond isolated pockets of activity in Syria and now is building a network of well-organized cells, according to U.S. intelligence officials, who fear that the terrorists could be establishing a foothold that would be hard to defeat if rebels eventually oust President Bashar Assad.

AP also claims:

At least a couple hundred al-Qaida-linked militants already are operating in Syria, and their ranks are growing as foreign fighters stream into the country daily, current and former U.S. intelligence officials say. The units are spreading from city to city, with veterans of the Iraq insurgency employing their expertise in bomb-building to carry out more than two dozen attacks so far. Others are using their experience in coordinating small units of fighters in Afghanistan to win new followers.

The Telegraph reported even earlier, in November 2011, that Al Qaeda's LIFG commander Abdul Hakim Belhaj had personally visited the Turkish-Syrian border to pledge cash, weapons, and fighters toward efforts in subverting Syria. Also in late 2011, reports that Libyan fighters, at least 600 of them, had already made their way to Syria began surfacing. As early as April 2011, the role of Al Qaeda in violence playing out all across the US-engineered "Arab Spring" was covered in Dr. Webster Tarpley's "Al Qaeda: Pawns of CIA Insurrection from Libya to Yemen," where Syria was specifically mentioned as targeted by the West's supra-regional campaign.

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=631081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama...supporting Al-Qaida even more than Bush did.

[Tod]

Spilling into Lebanon now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/world ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Everything spills into fucking Lebanon. Poor Lebanon.

[Ibanez]

Unfortunately, that isn't possible. With global economics the way it is, we would be affected by a war or any sort of conflict that englufs the Middle East. We are already feeling the affects at the pump. Sooner or later, we'll get involved. We have to. The world hates that we get involved, but then bitch and moan when we don't.

Nope. griz37 has it right. Stay out of the crap going on in that area.

Ibanez...tell me what is happening now in Libya. Do you know the results of that "intervention"? What is going on in Egypt? Somalia? How have those interventions turned out for us? How about Iraq? Afghanistan?

And if we help the rebels in Syria...what are we going to do, in front of the whole world, when the majority of the people of Bahrain erupt in revolution against their oppressive minority government a week after we start arming the people of Syria?

It's a joke...we aren't going in to save people at all...and we certainly don't have to go in to defend OUR (as in, normal people's) economic interests.

Looks like I was right.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/mea ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United States is going to send Syrian rebels more military support including small arms, ammunition and potentially anti-tank weapons, two officials familiar with the matter said Friday.

[DSUrocks07]

Nope. griz37 has it right. Stay out of the crap going on in that area.

Ibanez...tell me what is happening now in Libya. Do you know the results of that "intervention"? What is going on in Egypt? Somalia? How have those interventions turned out for us? How about Iraq? Afghanistan?

And if we help the rebels in Syria...what are we going to do, in front of the whole world, when the majority of the people of Bahrain erupt in revolution against their oppressive minority government a week after we start arming the people of Syria?

It's a joke...we aren't going in to save people at all...and we certainly don't have to go in to defend OUR (as in, normal people's) economic interests.

Looks like I was right.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/mea ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United States is going to send Syrian rebels more military support including small arms, ammunition and potentially anti-tank weapons, two officials familiar with the matter said Friday.

Yay! Who's up for a proxy war??

Party like its 1973!!! 8-)8-)8-)8-)

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[houndawg]

Al Qaeda would like for us to arm the Syrian rebels. That is as a good a reason not to do it as any.

Libya and Egypt are pretty good examples of why we should not waste our money. No matter who wins, they just aren't going to be our friends afterwards anyway.

This. It will be a matter of months before the weapons we send will kill Americans. Of course when you balance that against the profit from arms sales I suspect that American lives will as usual take a back seat to corporate profits. The rationale being that if we don't sell them weapons somebody else will. More of the same.

[houndawg]

Spilling into Lebanon now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/world ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's been spilling into Lebanon, and Turkey, and Iraq, for quite some time now. You must have missed the, "in a new way" referencing the kidnappings.

Hezbollah has some interesting choices ahead...their main ally and supplier is being taken down by the West, with the help of the West's Al-Qaida allies.

"Quite clearly, since 2007, the US and its allies were knowingly arraying sectarian extremists with direct ties to Al Qaeda against Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. Likewise in 2011, the US while leading NATO operations in Libya, armed, trained, funded, and provided air support for Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) militants - also with direct ties to Al Qaeda.

The Associated Press joins Western governments in resigning its legitimacy and credibility with their recent report titled, "U.S. fears extremists could highjack goals of anti-Assad rebels," which claims:

Al-Qaida has advanced beyond isolated pockets of activity in Syria and now is building a network of well-organized cells, according to U.S. intelligence officials, who fear that the terrorists could be establishing a foothold that would be hard to defeat if rebels eventually oust President Bashar Assad.

AP also claims:

At least a couple hundred al-Qaida-linked militants already are operating in Syria, and their ranks are growing as foreign fighters stream into the country daily, current and former U.S. intelligence officials say. The units are spreading from city to city, with veterans of the Iraq insurgency employing their expertise in bomb-building to carry out more than two dozen attacks so far. Others are using their experience in coordinating small units of fighters in Afghanistan to win new followers.

The Telegraph reported even earlier, in November 2011, that Al Qaeda's LIFG commander Abdul Hakim Belhaj had personally visited the Turkish-Syrian border to pledge cash, weapons, and fighters toward efforts in subverting Syria. Also in late 2011, reports that Libyan fighters, at least 600 of them, had already made their way to Syria began surfacing. As early as April 2011, the role of Al Qaeda in violence playing out all across the US-engineered "Arab Spring" was covered in Dr. Webster Tarpley's "Al Qaeda: Pawns of CIA Insurrection from Libya to Yemen," where Syria was specifically mentioned as targeted by the West's supra-regional campaign.

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=631081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama...supporting Al-Qaida even more than Bush did.

Suddenly you believe the mainstream media?

[CID1990]

Hmm. Lets review the interventionist wars Hall of Shame 20th Century version, shall we?

Iraq- neocons (AKA Filthy Jews)

Vietnam- democrats (progenitors of the "domino effect")

Korea- democrats (the original architects of the Cold War)

WWII- democrats (thanks to Wilson setting the stage)

WWI- democrats

If we want to talk about track records, then lets talk about track records.




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[CID1990]

Al Qaeda would like for us to arm the Syrian rebels. That is as a good a reason not to do it as any.

Libya and Egypt are pretty good examples of why we should not waste our money. No matter who wins, they just aren't going to be our friends afterwards anyway.

This. It will be a matter of months before the weapons we send will kill Americans. Of course when you balance that against the profit from arms sales I suspect that American lives will as usual take a back seat to corporate profits. The rationale being that if we don't sell them weapons somebody else will. More of the same.

The weapons we will send them were bought and paid for long ago, and have been sitting in a warehouse.

You know what? Since we're talking about the military industrial complex, profiteering, and how we make the tail wag the fvcking dog anytime we want to fvck with the rest if the world for whatever reason (WMDs, red lines, humanitarian)... I have an idea. I want to start a weapons company that manufactures failsafe devices for MANPADs like Stingers. Put a code in the software that any US IFF transmitter can disable. That way we can sell those fvcking things like hot cakes to any terrorist organization we want, and they can't be used against US aircraft.

Who's in?


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[Ibanez]

Hmm. Lets review the interventionist wars Hall of Shame 20th Century version, shall we?

Iraq- neocons (AKA Filthy Jews)

Vietnam- democrats (progenitors of the "domino effect")

Korea- democrats (the original architects of the Cold War)

WWII- democrats (thanks to Wilson setting the stage)

WWI- democrats

If we want to talk about track records, then lets talk about track records.




Sent from the center of the universe.

Didn't these rebels pledge loyalty to Al Queda.

[houndawg]

This. It will be a matter of months before the weapons we send will kill Americans. Of course when you balance that against the profit from arms sales I suspect that American lives will as usual take a back seat to corporate profits. The rationale being that if we don't sell them weapons somebody else will. More of the same.

The weapons we will send them were bought and paid for long ago, and have been sitting in a warehouse.

You know what? Since we're talking about the military industrial complex, profiteering, and how we make the tail wag the fvcking dog anytime we want to fvck with the rest if the world for whatever reason (WMDs, red lines, humanitarian)... I have an idea. I want to start a weapons company that manufactures failsafe devices for MANPADs like Stingers. Put a code in the software that any US IFF transmitter can disable. That way we can sell those fvcking things like hot cakes to any terrorist organization we want, and they can't be used against US aircraft.

Who's in?


Sent from the center of the universe.

You'd have to make them so that any attempt to bypass the software would render the weapon inoperable, or better yet, explode. Another possibility would be to use a propellant with a short shelf life so that when their gig is over and they're ready to turn on us the missile isn't reliable. When is the IPO?

[YoUDeeMan]

Looks like I was right.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/mea ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United States is going to send Syrian rebels more military support including small arms, ammunition and potentially anti-tank weapons, two officials familiar with the matter said Friday.

Of course you were right...it was preordained...and already happening at the time of your post. Only the names have changed.

When we start setting up large bank accounts for "rebels"...those accounts are used to support the rebel fighting units (yeah, as if they were used only for humanitarian reasons ). They purchase guns, just not from us...but from third parties we've already sold the guns to.

Now, Obama is just simply saying we will directly support the rebels because Assad used gas...despite, as spanos has pointed out, credible reports that the rebels used the gas. Frankly, who cares who used the gas? Hell, if Assad is using it, then that is some gas that won't fall into bad guy's hands. Assad should dump a bunch of it on Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.

Obushma...D1B's hero...is even more of a cowboy than Bush.

Say, where did that Seahawks bird brain go? Guy was getting his feathers tarred and he leaves the party early.

[YoUDeeMan]

Suddenly you believe the mainstream media?

Mainstream media? Are you drinking again?

[CID1990]

The weapons we will send them were bought and paid for long ago, and have been sitting in a warehouse.

You know what? Since we're talking about the military industrial complex, profiteering, and how we make the tail wag the fvcking dog anytime we want to fvck with the rest if the world for whatever reason (WMDs, red lines, humanitarian)... I have an idea. I want to start a weapons company that manufactures failsafe devices for MANPADs like Stingers. Put a code in the software that any US IFF transmitter can disable. That way we can sell those fvcking things like hot cakes to any terrorist organization we want, and they can't be used against US aircraft.

Who's in?


Sent from the center of the universe.

You'd have to make them so that any attempt to bypass the software would render the weapon inoperable, or better yet, explode. Another possibility would be to use a propellant with a short shelf life so that when their gig is over and they're ready to turn on us the missile isn't reliable. When is the IPO?

I need investors before Northrop Grumman steals my idea. You got 50 bucks?


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[houndawg]

You'd have to make them so that any attempt to bypass the software would render the weapon inoperable, or better yet, explode. Another possibility would be to use a propellant with a short shelf life so that when their gig is over and they're ready to turn on us the missile isn't reliable. When is the IPO?

I need investors before Northrop Grumman steals my idea. You got 50 bucks?


Sent from the center of the universe.

Put it on my account - we'll settle up when D1B pays me for the reefer.

[kalm]

Hmm. Lets review the interventionist wars Hall of Shame 20th Century version, shall we?

Iraq- neocons (AKA Filthy Jews)

Vietnam- democrats (progenitors of the "domino effect")

Korea- democrats (the original architects of the Cold War)

WWII- democrats (thanks to Wilson setting the stage)

WWI- democrats

If we want to talk about track records, then lets talk about track records.




Sent from the center of the universe.

A bit of an over-simplification don't ya think?

[CID1990]

Hmm. Lets review the interventionist wars Hall of Shame 20th Century version, shall we?

Iraq- neocons (AKA Filthy Jews)

Vietnam- democrats (progenitors of the "domino effect")

Korea- democrats (the original architects of the Cold War)

WWII- democrats (thanks to Wilson setting the stage)

WWI- democrats

If we want to talk about track records, then lets talk about track records.




Sent from the center of the universe.

A bit of an over-simplification don't ya think?

Yes, but the tired old "neocon track record" of evil warmongering was trotted out, so a little perspective is needed. Especially when you consider that the "whole world is our business and our responsibility" has long been a democratic bailiwick beginning with Wilson. The 20th century is largely one of dem globalism and GOP isolationist opposition. Neoconservatism began as a liberal Wilsonian movement which only recently found a home with republicans (questionably conservative republicans at that). True conservatism has never embraced interventionism.


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[TheDancinMonarch]

Assad wins. We lose.

The rebels win. We lose.

I say arm both sides and hope for a long, destructive conflict.

[CID1990]

The endgame question here is- who would we prefer to possess Assad's chemical and conventional weapons stockpiles (and Saddam's, for that matter)?

Assad, or Al Qaeda?

It seems we have chosen Al Qaeda, an organization that has attacked America on the home turf and abroad, over a Baathist who is an Iranian proxy, but has never attacked or threatened to attack America.

It's déjà vu all over again, with apologies to Yogi Berra.


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[kalm]

A bit of an over-simplification don't ya think?

Yes, but the tired old "neocon track record" of evil warmongering was trotted out, so a little perspective is needed. Especially when you consider that the "whole world is our business and our responsibility" has long been a democratic bailiwick beginning with Wilson. The 20th century is largely one of dem globalism and GOP isolationist opposition. Neoconservatism began as a liberal Wilsonian movement which only recently found a home with republicans (questionably conservative republicans at that). True conservatism has never embraced interventionism.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Don't disagree. Too bad the interventionists on both sides are in control.

[houndawg]

Assad wins. We lose.

The rebels win. We lose.

I say arm both sides and hope for a long, destructive conflict.

I think this is where we are headed because this is the option would make the most money for the investors.

[DSUrocks07]

Hey, here's a swell idea! Why don't we give them a bunch of anti-tank weapons and anti-aircraft missiles, since we've been teaching them how to use them effectively because why the fuck not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... camps.html

[houndawg]

Hey, here's a swell idea! Why don't we give them a bunch of anti-tank weapons and anti-aircraft missiles, since we've been teaching them how to use them effectively because why the **** not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... camps.html

Stupid conk fvck.

No wonder you guys can't find a candidate with an IQ above the imbecile range. Don't give them sh*t, sell them all they want a twice market value, they're in no position to argue.