Machinists Union kills Seattle again....

[AZGrizFan]

Best Z takedown in CS's history!!!!

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

'Dawg is gettin' his ASS handed to him in this argument and all you can focus on is a snappy little comeback? Typical donk...

[Cap'n Cat]

Best Z takedown in CS's history!!!!

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

'Dawg is gettin' his ASS handed to him in this argument and all you can focus on is a snappy little comeback? Typical donk...

A snappy combeack that painted you into a logical corner!!!

No, seriously, you're both making good points, he just more saliently than you.

[Appaholic]

So which is it? We need high-paid union pilots or low-paid union monkeys playing with a joystick? Either the job is valuable or not? And whether it's union or not has no bearing on the skill necessary to perform the job...

THose high paid union pilots are one of the reasons U.S. airlines (other than SOuthwest) are dying...

The skill level required is the same for union and non-union...the only difference is the unions were getting $120K - $200k plus for working 12 - 15 days a month, with pensions that were nearly as rich as the working guy was being paid...plus the travel benefits...

Now, they have to work 18 - 20 days a month for that $120K...

No it's not Col, it's management's fault entirely.....

[Col Hogan]

THose high paid union pilots are one of the reasons U.S. airlines (other than SOuthwest) are dying...

The skill level required is the same for union and non-union...the only difference is the unions were getting $120K - $200k plus for working 12 - 15 days a month, with pensions that were nearly as rich as the working guy was being paid...plus the travel benefits...

Now, they have to work 18 - 20 days a month for that $120K...

No it's not Col, it's management's fault entirely.....

[Cap'n Cat]

"Look ye to the east, my comrades and seek the ways of the Great Obama-san."

[houndawg]

THose high paid union pilots are one of the reasons U.S. airlines (other than SOuthwest) are dying...

The skill level required is the same for union and non-union...the only difference is the unions were getting $120K - $200k plus for working 12 - 15 days a month, with pensions that were nearly as rich as the working guy was being paid...plus the travel benefits...

Now, they have to work 18 - 20 days a month for that $120K...

No it's not Col, it's management's fault entirely.....

Who negotiated those contracts on behalf of the company, Amos?

[houndawg]

Best Z takedown in CS's history!!!!

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

'Dawg is gettin' his ASS handed to him in this argument and all you can focus on is a snappy little comeback? Typical donk...

Z! Buddy you're getting beaten like Michael Jackson's pecker at a cub scout meeting.

[Col Hogan]

'Dawg is gettin' his ASS handed to him in this argument and all you can focus on is a snappy little comeback? Typical donk...

Z! Buddy you're getting beaten like Michael Jackson's pecker at a cub scout meeting.

Rule # 12 in the Liberal "Book of How To Debate" - "When getting your ass kicked, declare victory...repeatedly...this will deflect the fact that defeat is imminent."

[houndawg]

FIFY, Nathan. Of course, now that the pilots union is on a two-tiered pay system the next bird strike flameout will likely happen when there is a twenty-something pilot with minimum flight hours making 30K/yr on the stick.

So which is it? We need high-paid union pilots or low-paid union monkeys playing with a joystick? Either the job is valuable or not? And whether it's union or not has no bearing on the skill necessary to perform the job...

I don't have much opinion on the subject, just enjoying watching my friends defending high paid union pilots.

[houndawg]

Where is this "everywhere" of which you speak? Barely 10% of the workforce is unionized and you're trying to lay the nation's economic woes at their feet. A typical response from a mouthpiece for bloated overhead seeking to distract the shareholder from how much of their money is spent on bonuses for those who produce nothing.

Everywhere. As in "everywhere there's union presence."

Try and keep up, Ethel.

Everywhere like police stations and firehouses? Why would you want to deny those good public servants a living wage, Myrtle? Hell, they lay it on the line every day.

[AZGrizFan]

'Dawg is gettin' his ASS handed to him in this argument and all you can focus on is a snappy little comeback? Typical donk...

Z! Buddy you're getting beaten like Michael Jackson's pecker at a cub scout meeting.

Right. You've been proven wrong a dozen times in just the last three pages yet keep plugging....good on ya.

[AZGrizFan]

Everywhere. As in "everywhere there's union presence."

Try and keep up, Ethel.

Everywhere like police stations and firehouses? Why would you want to deny those good public servants a living wage, Myrtle? Hell, they lay it on the line every day.

Yep, everywhere. Oh, and to correct you "best" award from the cappy, my company (for which I AM management) doesn't have shareholders, and we don't give bonuses. We give back profits to the membership.

[D1B]

Where is this "everywhere" of which you speak? Barely 10% of the workforce is unionized and you're trying to lay the nation's economic woes at their feet. A typical response from a mouthpiece for bloated overhead seeking to distract the shareholder from how much of their money is spent on bonuses for those who produce nothing.

Everywhere. As in "everywhere there's union presence."

Try and keep up, Ethel.

Z, get out while you have some dignity. Say there's a Bud Light thread in the Locker Room.

Nice work Houndog!



Thissin here is the HDOG 410 "Conk Chipper"

[AZGrizFan]

Z, get out while you have some dignity. Say there's a Bud Light thread in the Locker Room.

Nice work Houndog!

PROOF that D1B hasn't read the thread. 6 pages, and not a single post from you, yet here you are, right on que, declaring victory. Thanks for not letting us down on Rule #12.

[D1B]

Z, get out while you have some dignity. Say there's a Bud Light thread in the Locker Room.

Nice work Houndog!

PROOF that D1B hasn't read the thread. 6 pages, and not a single post from you, yet here you are, right on que, declaring victory. Thanks for not letting us down on Rule #12.

Read every post. Sorry, just think Dawg is smarter and funnier than you. Like Captain said, you both have good points, you however smack of desperation and thus lack poise.

Dawg is cool and cucumber as he fillets you with his prodigious wit.

Oh, and your welcome for providing you with an out here.

[AZGrizFan]

A pilot in the plane can feel the aircraft and make adjustments that a pilot on the ground can't.

Maybe, if he's awake. Not many adjustments necessary with airliners really, driving a Greyhound probably requires more.

Yet, because of his union contract, that POS pilot is making $150K working 12-14 days a month. Congratulations for driving yet another industry into the ground.

Houndawg: "Well, who were the geniuses that negotiated those contracts?" See? Bad management....

Yeah, and when the union has a gun to your head and your alternative is to shut down the company, you try to make it work....but you'll never see that will you.

[AZGrizFan]

PROOF that D1B hasn't read the thread. 6 pages, and not a single post from you, yet here you are, right on que, declaring victory. Thanks for not letting us down on Rule #12.

Read every post. Sorry, just think Dawg is smarter and funnier than you. Like Captain said, you both have good points, you however smack of desperation and thus lack poise.

Dawg is cool and cucumber as he fillets you with his prodigious wit.

Oh, and your welcome for providing you with an out here.

Dawg's funnier because he argues like John Kerry.

And I'm not desperate. This is one of very few issues that really pisses me off. I've watched the town my parents grew up in become basically a ghost town because of unions. It's REAL sad to watch, but the union didn't seem to care. Now all my cousins that still live in that area struggle to make a living when they were making 50-60K 25 years ago working at the smelter. But that wasn't enough, so they went on strike for $1 more an hour. The plant shut down and they sent the ore to Japan to smelt.


The union killed the town, and probably view that as a victory.

[D1B]

Read every post. Sorry, just think Dawg is smarter and funnier than you. Like Captain said, you both have good points, you however smack of desperation and thus lack poise.

Dawg is cool and cucumber as he fillets you with his prodigious wit.

Oh, and your welcome for providing you with an out here.

Dawg's funnier because he argues like John Kerry.

Fuck you, you're both good. And you're right, I didn't read but the last 2 or 3 posts.

[AZGrizFan]

Dawg's funnier because he argues like John Kerry.

Fuck you, you're both good. And you're right, I didn't read but the last 2 or 3 posts.

You didn't have to cop to that. Everybody KNOWS you've never read a post here that you didn't write.

[D1B]

Fuck you, you're both good. And you're right, I didn't read but the last 2 or 3 posts.

You didn't have to cop to that. Everybody KNOWS you've never read a post here that you didn't write.

[houndawg]

Read every post. Sorry, just think Dawg is smarter and funnier than you. Like Captain said, you both have good points, you however smack of desperation and thus lack poise.

Dawg is cool and cucumber as he fillets you with his prodigious wit.

Oh, and your welcome for providing you with an out here.

Dawg's funnier because he argues like John Kerry.

And I'm not desperate. This is one of very few issues that really pisses me off. I've watched the town my parents grew up in become basically a ghost town because of unions. It's REAL sad to watch, but the union didn't seem to care. Now all my cousins that still live in that area struggle to make a living when they were making 50-60K 25 years ago working at the smelter. But that wasn't enough, so they went on strike for $1 more an hour. The plant shut down and they sent the ore to Japan to smelt.


The union killed the town, and probably view that as a victory.

Kind of you to say so, but heck, I just seem funnier because I'm in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Here's a newsflash, Herbert, 1) your cousins didn't lose their jobs to Japan over $1/hr, those jobs were leaving even if the workforce would have offered to work for minimum wage because US managers wouldn't modernize their steel producing plants. 2) unions don't go on strike without the rank and file voting to do so, 3) workforces unionize because management's word isn't worth the price of the paper it's written on.

[Appaholic]

So which is it? We need high-paid union pilots or low-paid union monkeys playing with a joystick? Either the job is valuable or not? And whether it's union or not has no bearing on the skill necessary to perform the job...

I don't have much opinion on the subject, just enjoying watching my friends defending high paid union pilots.

..and I enjoy my union apologist friends admitting their high-paid union jobs could be performed by trained monkeys.

[AZGrizFan]

1) your cousins didn't lose their jobs to Japan over $1/hr, those jobs were leaving even if the workforce would have offered to work for minimum wage because US managers wouldn't modernize their steel producing plants. 2) unions don't go on strike without the rank and file voting to do so, 3) workforces unionize because management's word isn't worth the price of the paper it's written on.

1) You sure profess to know a lot about a situation about which you don't know shit.
2) Yes, my cousins voted to strike. And it got the company shut down. And it WAS for a $1 more an hour.
3) Again, the comment doesn't surprise me because you've drunk fully from the union koolaid jug. It's ALL shitty management's fault.

You've proven by your very words that the workers are USELESS without management. The UAW proves it every day. You talk about all the wonderful workers and how they'd perform so much better if we'd just get rid of management, but apparently they wander around aimlessly (Chrysler, GM) without good management (Ford). You guys (line workers) wouldn't know how to get out of the fucking BATHROOM if there wasn't someone there to give you direction.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't have much opinion on the subject, just enjoying watching my friends defending high paid union pilots.

..and I enjoy my union apologist friends admitting their high-paid union jobs could be performed by trained monkeys.

And yet said apologist is unwilling to admit that those high paying union jobs only exist because of union tactics.

[Appaholic]

You guys (line workers) wouldn't know how to get out of the fucking BATHROOM if there wasn't someone there to give you direction.

I always thought it was because they hadn't figured out how to take a paid break while on paid break & get paid time & half for it.....