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Trump has said a lot of stuff that, quoted back, sounds awful. He's got no way around that and it's the ugly side of his speaking from the hip as opposed to sticking with safe stump speeches. But for all the rage from the left that Trump is inciting violence, what's shockingly absent is the string of Trump supporters invading a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and trying to "shut that sh## down." Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.
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GannonFan wrote:Trump has said a lot of stuff that, quoted back, sounds awful. He's got no way around that and it's the ugly side of his speaking from the hip as opposed to sticking with safe stump speeches. But for all the rage from the left that Trump is inciting violence, what's shockingly absent is the string of Trump supporters invading a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and trying to "shut that sh## down." Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.
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Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.


That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.


That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
So I take it you're backing Kasich? He's the only alternative at this point.
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kalm wrote:
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That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
So I take it you're backing Kasich? He's the only alternative at this point.
I doubt that Kasich would even go forward to the convention if the only state he wins is Ohio.

Kasich is the only sensible option, but Cruz is clearly the next in line.

GOP is screwed this cycle. Their only hope is if Sanders really believes that he could win a potential four way matchup, if Trump walks out of a brokered convention and goes third party, and Hillary wins a close nomination. I can see him going "independent" as well.
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Remember back when "progressives" used to be all for free speech?

good times

get your safe spaces ready cause we're going to be treated to at least 4 years of safe spaces, shut up words and shoutdowns under Madame President
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.


That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
:? Enthusiam gap against the republicans. Say what? :shock: You obviouly haven't been paying attention to the primaries or rallies. As far as numbers at the rallies. Kasich- not even close. Little Marco- Not even close. Cruz- not close. Hillary- not even in he same conversation. Even Sanders not close. Who was the last Republican to get the numbers to their rallies that Trump did? Not Romney. Not McLame. Not Bush. Not Dole. Not Bush's daddy..Trump is drawing massive #s of non Republicans and even blue collar, working class Reagan democrat types to his rallies and to vote for him in the primaries. Trump is drawing more Reagan democrats than any republican presidential candidate since well, Reagan.

Look at the conk primaries. Repeated RECORD turnouts. MASSIVE increases from 08'. Looke at the donk primaries. WAY down from 08'. The democrats have an enthusiam problem, esp with Hillary. And thats not going to change in the general. The only group she enthuses are older women. And being for someone is always going to be a bigger turnout driver than being against someone.
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Baldy wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The incident tonight is a reminder of another factor leading to the expectation that Trump will get trounced if he is the Republican nominee. He inspires the opposition. He'll help the Democrats amp up turnout.

Meanwhile a lot of people who have traditionally voted Republican will either vote third party or not vote at all.

Of all the stupid things I've seen about what Trump supporters think perhaps the stupidest one is that they apparently think he is the Republican candidate with the best chance to win the general election. That is VERY obviously not the case.
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BDKJMU wrote:
kalm wrote:
Didn't see any violence in the video. :?

So Trump incites violence at his rallies but now cancels do to a threat of violence?

What a pussy... :ohno:
Trump isn't inciting the violence- its the libtards who are trying to shut his rallies down. The people they are showing on FNC now being arrested and trying to block traffic in the streets near the venue aren't Trump supporters.
Donks have been doing it for years now. Long before Trump ever ran for President. They're just using him as a convenient excuse. :nod:
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Baldy wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Trump isn't inciting the violence- its the libtards who are trying to shut his rallies down. The people they are showing on FNC now being arrested and trying to block traffic in the streets near the venue aren't Trump supporters.
Donks have been doing it for years now. Long before Trump ever ran for President. They're just using him as a convenient excuse. :nod:
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DSU general election family poll: Currently in progress

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DSUrocks07 wrote:DSU general election family poll: Currently in progress

2 for Trump (DSU and DSUsis)
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Ivytalk wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote:DSU general election family poll: Currently in progress

2 for Trump (DSU and DSUsis)
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GannonFan wrote:Trump has said a lot of stuff that, quoted back, sounds awful. He's got no way around that and it's the ugly side of his speaking from the hip as opposed to sticking with safe stump speeches. But for all the rage from the left that Trump is inciting violence, what's shockingly absent is the string of Trump supporters invading a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and trying to "shut that sh## down." Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.
It isn't shocking at all gf. Trump supporters are chickenshit at heart; if they outnumber you 100-1 you got a problem, but you won't catch them acting up anywhere they don't have that kind of advantage.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.


That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
It won't be a gift at all John; you need to get out of Piss, LA, once in a while and learn how real Americans think. Here's the donk establishment's problem: they need low turnout in the primaries so that Hillary gets the nomination but she can't win the general election unless turnout is high - the problem being that turnout won't be high for the donks unless they're coming out to vote for Bernie. Which is why the donks are scared shitless of Bernie going independent.
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houndawg wrote:
GannonFan wrote:Trump has said a lot of stuff that, quoted back, sounds awful. He's got no way around that and it's the ugly side of his speaking from the hip as opposed to sticking with safe stump speeches. But for all the rage from the left that Trump is inciting violence, what's shockingly absent is the string of Trump supporters invading a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and trying to "shut that sh## down." Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.
It isn't shocking at all gf. Trump supporters are chickenshit at heart; if they outnumber you 100-1 you got a problem, but you won't catch them acting up anywhere they don't have that kind of advantage.
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Baldy wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The incident tonight is a reminder of another factor leading to the expectation that Trump will get trounced if he is the Republican nominee. He inspires the opposition. He'll help the Democrats amp up turnout.

Meanwhile a lot of people who have traditionally voted Republican will either vote third party or not vote at all.

Of all the stupid things I've seen about what Trump supporters think perhaps the stupidest one is that they apparently think he is the Republican candidate with the best chance to win the general election. That is VERY obviously not the case.
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It's anecdotal, however, I was listening to Sean Hannity on my drive to Ft. Mill last week. A woman calls in and says she's one of the 40,000 Democrats in Pennsylvania that will vote for Trump. She goes on to say that Trump is the only person that has genuinely understood and voiced the frustration of the common person. Trump is the only one that is out there talking...and not being a politician. He isn't the best candidate, but he's the one that resonates.


Trump has created a connection and that is paying dividends. Trump, for all his warts, if elected POTUS couldn't be worst than what we have. And we would have a Congress, that would probably be so united AGAINST him, that we might see some more bi-partisan cooperation. That's just my :twocents:
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houndawg wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:

That's because he is intentionally polarizing. It's his shtick.

As i already said, though, what we're seeing is an indication of how his nomination would be a gift to Democrats in terms of generating turnout among their supporters. If it weren't for him, if Clinton doesn't get indicted and wins the nomination, they would have an enthusiasm problem. If Trump gets the Republican nomination that won't be an issue for them. They'll have a REAL boogeyman.

Of course, that won't be the only problem for Republicans. As mentioned before, a lot of Republicans won't vote for this guy. Bottom line is it'd mean an "enthusiasm factor" gift for the Democrats and an enthusiasm problem for the Republicans. Oh, yeah, the people that are going to Trump rallies and such will be enthusiastic. But most people who have historically voted Republican won't be enthusiastic about him at all.

He'll get creamed. It'll be the worst Republican loss in the Presidential race since at least as far back as 1964.
It won't be a gift at all John; you need to get out of Piss, LA, once in a while and learn how real Americans think. Here's the donk establishment's problem: they need low turnout in the primaries so that Hillary gets the nomination but she can't win the general election unless turnout is high - the problem being that turnout won't be high for the donks unless they're coming out to vote for Bernie. Which is why the donks are scared shitless of Bernie going independent.
Hilary also needs white people, in general to vote for her. She does well where there's a large black population but outside of the South, she's going to have some trouble.
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Ibanez wrote:
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It won't be a gift at all John; you need to get out of Piss, LA, once in a while and learn how real Americans think. Here's the donk establishment's problem: they need low turnout in the primaries so that Hillary gets the nomination but she can't win the general election unless turnout is high - the problem being that turnout won't be high for the donks unless they're coming out to vote for Bernie. Which is why the donks are scared shitless of Bernie going independent.
Hilary also needs white people, in general to vote for her. She does well where there's a large black population but outside of the South, she's going to have some trouble.

And if she does get the nomination she isn't going to win any southern states anyhow.
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GannonFan wrote:Trump has said a lot of stuff that, quoted back, sounds awful. He's got no way around that and it's the ugly side of his speaking from the hip as opposed to sticking with safe stump speeches. But for all the rage from the left that Trump is inciting violence, what's shockingly absent is the string of Trump supporters invading a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and trying to "shut that sh## down." Whereas it is commonplace at Trump rallies, or so it seems, to have several groups of organized protestors repeatedly doing anything they can to interfere with Trump rallies. I really can't remember the last time I have seen so many organized attempts to literally stop a campaign from campaigning.
I can't either but its too bad that there wasn't more of it in Germany in the 30s.
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It isn't shocking at all gf. Trump supporters are chickenshit at heart; if they outnumber you 100-1 you got a problem, but you won't catch them acting up anywhere they don't have that kind of advantage.
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After tomorrow, Kasich and Rubio will be out. Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio all vote. Florida and Ohio are winner take all states with 99 and 66 delegates, respectively. We know Rubio and Kasich need to win their states, which if they do MAY stave off Trump from eventually winning the # of delegates he needs. Rubio trails Trump, 2-1 in Florida. Kasich may have a shot in Ohio, although he came in 3rd in Michigan which, demographically, is similar to Ohio. Cruz isn't leading in either state.

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Ibanez wrote:After tomorrow, Kasich and Rubio will be out. Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio all vote. Florida and Ohio are winner take all states with 99 and 66 delegates, respectively. We know Rubio and Kasich need to win their states, which if they do MAY stave off Trump from eventually winning the # of delegates he needs. Rubio trails Trump, 2-1 in Florida. Kasich may have a shot in Ohio, although he came in 3rd in Michigan which, demographically, is similar to Ohio. Cruz isn't leading in either state.

My Predicitions:
Florida - Trump
Illinois - Trump
Missouri - Trump
North Carolina - Trump
Ohio - Kasich
Yup, I see it going that way too. And that could open the door for Trump to tab Kasich as a VP choice as well. Swinging Ohio and PA to the GOP would be a huge step electorally speaking.
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GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:After tomorrow, Kasich and Rubio will be out. Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio all vote. Florida and Ohio are winner take all states with 99 and 66 delegates, respectively. We know Rubio and Kasich need to win their states, which if they do MAY stave off Trump from eventually winning the # of delegates he needs. Rubio trails Trump, 2-1 in Florida. Kasich may have a shot in Ohio, although he came in 3rd in Michigan which, demographically, is similar to Ohio. Cruz isn't leading in either state.

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Florida - Trump
Illinois - Trump
Missouri - Trump
North Carolina - Trump
Ohio - Kasich
Yup, I see it going that way too. And that could open the door for Trump to tab Kasich as a VP choice as well. Swinging Ohio and PA to the GOP would be a huge step electorally speaking.

Kasich has said on many occasions that he has no interest in being VP and wouldn't accept the offer.
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