AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:37 pmMan, there's a lot of leftist racism in that post.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:56 am
I call BS on that argument (the Demcraps, not yours.) Just b/c you don't have a DL doesn't mean you might not have an ID. If you have no ID, you essentially cannot function in our society. And if we're going to require REAL IDs, then the government should foot the bill and do all in it's power to help those that might have a difficult time getting one. We have voter registration drives every election cycle - how difficult is it to piggy back off of this?
You need an ID for the following. I've bolded those that a low income minority is most likely to do
purchase cigarettes
purchase alcohol
apply for unemployment/a job
pick up a prescription
prove it's your debit/credit card
rent a house/apartment/Section 8 housing
buy a house
apply for welfare
apply for food stamps
board a flight
apply for Medicare / Social Security
buy/rent a car
rent a hotel room,
pay taxes
And Voter Rolls should be purged/updated more frequently. The REAL ID can help verify/track that.![]()
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Gold Star for you, sir!
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AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:36 amStrict voter ID's?Suppression efforts range from the seemingly unobstructive, like strict voter ID laws and cuts to early voting, to mass purges of voter rolls and systemic disenfranchisement. These measures disproportionately impact people of color, students, the elderly, and people with disabilities.![]()
Cuts to early voting?(Election day should be a national holiday where the ONLY thing done that day is voting)
Purge of Voter Rolls?
How do these disproportionately impact people of color? or students? Or elderly? Or do they just make a blanket statement that we're supposed to believe and take as gospel at face value?
You view election integrity as "voter suppression". You're worried about people who mythically can't vote (because the ability has been somehow taken away), meanwhile states like NY and CA are now allowing hundreds of thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants to vote. Yeah, nothing to see there, right?
Should make Election Day the same day as Veteran's Day.
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So, are all efforts to improve election integrity considered voter suppression?
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Me? I’m not opposed to voter ID. If you’re incapable of acquiring it, you’re probably not worthy of voting any way. But exemptions should probably be made. Like elderly populations who are physically challenged to update ID.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:36 amStrict voter ID's?Suppression efforts range from the seemingly unobstructive, like strict voter ID laws and cuts to early voting, to mass purges of voter rolls and systemic disenfranchisement. These measures disproportionately impact people of color, students, the elderly, and people with disabilities.![]()
Cuts to early voting?(Election day should be a national holiday where the ONLY thing done that day is voting)
Purge of Voter Rolls?
How do these disproportionately impact people of color? or students? Or elderly? Or do they just make a blanket statement that we're supposed to believe and take as gospel at face value?
You view election integrity as "voter suppression". You're worried about people who mythically can't vote (because the ability has been somehow taken away), meanwhile states like NY and CA are now allowing hundreds of thousands of undocumented illegal immigrants to vote. Yeah, nothing to see there, right?
As for the rest. Read the article. It lays out some reasonable concerns whether you agree with them or not.
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Do you mean like in all the history of elections, or just the ones resulting from the outcome of the 2020 election? Its blindingly obvious that the latest round has voter suppression as a goal. Give the state politicians the ability to supply their own list of electors? Yeah nothing says "election integrity" like that.
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Is it? Blindingly obvious?houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:30 pmDo you mean like in all the history of elections, or just the ones resulting from the outcome of the 2020 election? Its blindingly obvious that the latest round has voter suppression as a goal. Give the state politicians the ability to supply their own list of electors? Yeah nothing says "election integrity" like that.![]()
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...with your usual caveat about a functional brain stem, yes.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:40 pmIs it? Blindingly obvious?houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:30 pm
Do you mean like in all the history of elections, or just the ones resulting from the outcome of the 2020 election? Its blindingly obvious that the latest round has voter suppression as a goal. Give the state politicians the ability to supply their own list of electors? Yeah nothing says "election integrity" like that.![]()
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Forty-six of forty-seven European Democracies require government issued picture ids to vote. Canada and Mexico the same.
Georgia and Texas laws are less restrictive on absentee voting and have longer voting periods than New York and Delaware and most of European democracies.
Just another strawman thrown up by the left to ensure outcomes favorable to them.
Vote harvesting is open corruption because most are paid for votes.
Again the left trying to destroy representative democracy and election integrity while crying that it is the right trying to do so.
My 95 yo aunt doesn’t drive, but has a valid id to vote.
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Georgia and Texas laws are less restrictive on absentee voting and have longer voting periods than New York and Delaware and most of European democracies.
Just another strawman thrown up by the left to ensure outcomes favorable to them.
Vote harvesting is open corruption because most are paid for votes.
Again the left trying to destroy representative democracy and election integrity while crying that it is the right trying to do so.
My 95 yo aunt doesn’t drive, but has a valid id to vote.
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So voter ID is voter suppression?
Purging of voter roles is voter suppression?
Limiting early voting is voter suppression?
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Pretty much.LeadBolt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:49 pm Forty-six of forty-seven European Democracies require government issued picture ids to vote. Canada and Mexico the same.
Georgia and Texas laws are less restrictive on absentee voting and have longer voting periods than New York and Delaware and most of European democracies.
Just another strawman thrown up by the left to ensure outcomes favorable to them.
Vote harvesting is open corruption because most are paid for votes.
Again the left trying to destroy representative democracy and election integrity while crying that it is the right trying to do so.
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You should be pursuing the states with most restrictive early voting laws. Start with New York.
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Well why not allow voting 365 then? I mean, where do you draw the line at “suppression”?
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I'm fine with that.
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You forgot to ask if preventing non-citizens (legal immigrants, VISA holders, illegal immigrants, tourists) and dead people from voting is voter suppression.
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reductio ad absurdum
Well, since voting locations being "consolidated" is a part of many of these grabs, doesn't it make sense that with fewer locations they should remain open longer for the benefit of those relying on public transpo and those who work longer hours? Of course it does.
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He didn't need to since those people can't get a ballot anyway.
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NYC has granted non-citizens the right to vote in local elections. Dead people have been voting in Chicago for decades.
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and a few Republicans were caught fraudulently in '20 - the numbers are vanishingly small.
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For every old fart who cant go online to renew their ID there will beca Stacy to help them do itkalm wrote:Me? I’m not opposed to voter ID. If you’re incapable of acquiring it, you’re probably not worthy of voting any way. But exemptions should probably be made. Like elderly populations who are physically challenged to update ID.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:36 am Strict voter ID's?![]()
Cuts to early voting?(Election day should be a national holiday where the ONLY thing done that day is voting)
Purge of Voter Rolls?
How do these disproportionately impact people of color? or students? Or elderly? Or do they just make a blanket statement that we're supposed to believe and take as gospel at face value?
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As for the rest. Read the article. It lays out some reasonable concerns whether you agree with them or not.
especially if they promise to vote Dem
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Yes, that’s why it should be a National holiday.houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:29 pmreductio ad absurdum![]()
Well, since voting locations being "consolidated" is a part of many of these grabs, doesn't it make sense that with fewer locations they should remain open longer for the benefit of those relying on public transpo and those who work longer hours? Of course it does.![]()
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States rights!AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:23 pmYes, that’s why it should be a National holiday.houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:29 pm
reductio ad absurdum![]()
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/09/opin ... O_BuWJfVXYThere are people working on a Plan B. This week, I half-jokingly asked Ben Wikler, the chairman of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, what it felt like to be on the front lines of protecting American democracy. He replied, dead serious, by telling me what it was like. He spends his days obsessing over mayoral races in 20,000-person towns, because those mayors appoint the city clerks who decide whether to pull the drop boxes for mail-in ballots and small changes to electoral administration could be the difference between winning Senator Ron Johnson’s seat in 2022 (and having a chance at democracy reform) and losing the race and the Senate. Wikler is organizing volunteers to staff phone banks to recruit people who believe in democracy to serve as municipal poll workers, because Steve Bannon has made it his mission to recruit people who don’t believe in democracy to serve as municipal poll workers.
I’ll say this for the right: They pay attention to where the power lies in the American system, in ways the left sometimes doesn’t. Bannon calls this “the precinct strategy,” and it’s working. “Suddenly, people who had never before showed interest in party politics started calling the local G.O.P. headquarters or crowding into county conventions, eager to enlist as precinct officers,” ProPublica reports. “They showed up in states Trump won and in states he lost, in deep-red rural areas, in swing-voting suburbs and in populous cities.”
The difference between those organizing at the local level to shape democracy and those raging ineffectually about democratic backsliding — myself included — reminds me of the old line about war: Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics. Right now, Trumpists are talking logistics.
“We do not have one federal election,” said Amanda Litman, a co-founder of Run for Something, which helps first-time candidates learn about the offices they can contest and helps them mount their campaigns. “We have 50 state elections and then thousands of county elections. And each of those ladder up to give us results. While Congress can write, in some ways, rules or boundaries for how elections are administered, state legislatures are making decisions about who can and can’t vote. Counties and towns are making decisions about how much money they’re spending, what technology they’re using, the rules around which candidates can participate.
An NPR analysis found 15 Republicans running for secretary of state in 2022 who doubt the legitimacy of Biden’s win. In Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, the incumbent Republican secretary of state who stood fast against Trump’s pressure, faces two primary challengers who hold that Trump was 2020’s rightful winner. Trump has endorsed one of them, Representative Jody Hice. He’s also endorsed candidates for secretary of state in Arizona and Michigan who backed him in 2020 and stand ready to do so in 2024. As NPR dryly noted, “The duties of a state secretary of state vary, but in most cases, they are the state’s top voting official and have a role in carrying out election laws.”
Nor is it just secretaries of state. “Voter suppression is happening at every level of government here in Georgia,” Representative Nikema Williams, who chairs the Georgia Democratic Party, told me. “We have 159 counties, and so 159 different ways boards of elections are elected and elections are carried out. So we have 159 different leaders who control election administration in the state. We’ve seen those boards restrict access by changing the number of ballot boxes. Often, our Black members on these boards are being pushed out.”
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The horror. Lol.
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