Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:50 pm
89Hen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:46 pm
But you agree this is a valid discussion. NOBODY knows how many would die with fewer measures. NOBODY knows how many will die period. But it would seem if anyone dare debate this, they're castigated as a heartless person. I don't care about company profits (looking at you Jeff), but if millions of people will end up destitute to save a few thousand... isn't that a valid discussion to have?
The experts have an idea from looking at the stats in
China, S Korea and Italy.
Stop it with the China and Italy comparisons. No reason to trust the China #s for the obvious reason.
We are NOTHING like Italy when it comes to this.
1. Italy 2nd oldest population in the world.
2. Italy 2-3 generations under 1 roof far more than not only the US, but more than other countries in Europe. WSJ article below on this. 30-49 yr olds living with parents. 23% Italy, US 6.4%. More chance for exposure.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/family-is- ... 1585058566
3.Italy 6x+ the density of the US. Most of Western Europe (with the exception of some of Scandanavia) more dense. More of the population lives high density (even small towns & villages are more compact). More chance for exposure.
4. Italy, like most of Europe, lesser percentage has cars, and a higher percentage uses public transportation (which ties into density). More chance for exposure.
5. Italy, like much of Europe, different grocery & shopping habits (which ties into density). Something that was finally mentioned on the news last week- someone in Italy pleading with the populace to quit doing their nearly everyday grocery trip. Lots of Europeans will do 4,5,6 small shops a week, plus hit a Farmer’s market on the weekend. You’re not taking a ½ doz to a doz bags of groceries on public transit and/or walking a ways with them. Plus smaller homes & apartments where they don’t have the storage space and typically 1 frig/freezer not as big as the avg American one. More chance for exposure. Most Americans will hit the grocery store 1-2 times a week. I've spent significant time in most of Western Europe outside Scandanavia, + longterm German gf, British SIL, so have seen this 1st hand.
6. Italy Higher smoking rates.
7. Italy, like much of Europe, closer definition of personal space. Have experienced this in a lot of countries. More chance for exposure.
https://www.disgracesonthemenu.com/2016 ... lians.html
8. Double cheek kiss greeting (I’ve seen it in Italy, Greece, Spain, France, Belgium, might be forgetting a few). More chance for exposure.
9. Italy, like much of Europe, doesn’t have the military assets the US that can assist. I linked earlier on here the John's Hopkins study saying the US was best prepared in the world for this. Italy was a ways down the list.