New Shooting, this time Oregon

[dbackjon]

Are you that dense.. The security giards ARE ALREADY ON CAMPUS BEING PAID whatever they are being paid. Giving them a gun isn't going to add much cost...

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

Thank you. He keeps changing his proposal.

Of course, there WERE armed CCW carriers on campus. Didn't prevent it. None of them stopped it.

A hero named Chris Mintz tried, former Army, but was shot.

BDKKKK types don't want to pay anything for public schools to begin with, so where is the money for enough guards?

The only way these guards would have made a difference is if you had 15-20 on duty at ALL Times. One or two wouldn't make a big difference.

[andy7171]

Are you that dense.. The security giards ARE ALREADY ON CAMPUS BEING PAID whatever they are being paid. Giving them a gun isn't going to add much cost...

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I didn't see every post you've made, but that doesn't matter. You're still only thinking about the material side. Arming a person jacks up the insurance rate. If the armed guard is outsourced, then that jacks up their fee (due to insurance, guns, licensing, etc...)

Attempting to pile on.


GTFO Raul.

[kalm]

Where can I buy an ICBM?

I really need one. And I need one now!

weak sauce, klam

why dont you just back away from this one before you wind up in the punishment box with Jelly Jon Clitsaurus

So "incremental measures" and "shall not be infringed" would be your STFU moment?

[BDKJMU]

Are you that dense.. The security giards ARE ALREADY ON CAMPUS BEING PAID whatever they are being paid. Giving them a gun isn't going to add much cost...

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I didn't see every post you've made, but that doesn't matter. You're still only thinking about the material side. Arming a person jacks up the insurance rate. If the armed guard is outsourced, then that jacks up their fee (due to insurance, guns, licensing, etc...)

I sai it about 25 posts prior
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1005278" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At the time I was basing it off of 1 security guard during school hours (8 or so hrs a day). I Later heard someone state that it was 2, and someone else on the news said 24 hr. Well, that could raise the additional amount into a 5 figure increase, but not 6 figure. Not a huge cost for a campus of over 3k full time students..

[GannonFan]

So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?

I didn't blame the NRA. That would be as stupid as blaming anti-gun groups. My point about the NRA is that in the long term, they're unwillingness to budge will turn the political tide against gun rights.

I'm neutral on the issue. I own a gun, have friends who are gun nuts, and I'm against unreasonable restrictions on gun rights.

It's a tough question on what needs to be done.

And that's the problem. Short of banning all guns of all types, how does anyone expect there to be any real decrease in these types of mass shootings? Typically these guys aren't armed with weapons that anyone is really talking about banning. So unless we are really talking about taking away any and all guns (ala Michael Douglas in "The American President") then really any talk about gun legislation is not much more than political posturing.

It is a tough question on what needs to be done.

[Ibanez]

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I didn't see every post you've made, but that doesn't matter. You're still only thinking about the material side. Arming a person jacks up the insurance rate. If the armed guard is outsourced, then that jacks up their fee (due to insurance, guns, licensing, etc...)

I sai it about 25 posts prior
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1005278" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Congratulations. I didn't reply to (or see) that post.

Regardless, you are still forgetting about insuring those armed guards which isn't cheap. About 5 years ago, my project moved into a new building and while security upgrades were being implemented we had to post 2 guards and the liability that the guards covered and that we had to cover was more than a few thousand.

[Ibanez]

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I didn't see every post you've made, but that doesn't matter. You're still only thinking about the material side. Arming a person jacks up the insurance rate. If the armed guard is outsourced, then that jacks up their fee (due to insurance, guns, licensing, etc...)

Attempting to pile on.


GTFO Raul.

Piling on? He's claiming one thing when not looking at the whole picture.

[BDKJMU]

I sai it about 25 posts prior
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1005278" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Congratulations. I didn't reply to (or see) that post.

Regardless, you are still forgetting about insuring those armed guards which isn't cheap. About 5 years ago, my project moved into a new building and while security upgrades were being implemented we had to post 2 guards and the liability that the guards covered and that we had to cover was more than a few thousand.

What I edited prior post to say- At the time I was baseing it off of a reported security guard at the school. So was baseing it off of 1 security guard during school hours (8 or so hrs a day). I Later heard someone state that it was 2 security guards, and someone else on the news said 24 hr. Well, that could raise the difference between unarmed and armed to a 5 figure amount. But not 6 figures.

[Ibanez]

Congratulations. I didn't reply to (or see) that post.

Regardless, you are still forgetting about insuring those armed guards which isn't cheap. About 5 years ago, my project moved into a new building and while security upgrades were being implemented we had to post 2 guards and the liability that the guards covered and that we had to cover was more than a few thousand.

What I edited prior post to say- At the time I was baseing it off of a reported security guard at the school. So was baseing it off of 1 security guard during school hours (8 or so hrs a day). I Later heard someone state that it was 2 security guards, and someone else on the news said 24 hr. Well, that could raise the difference between unarmed and armed to a 5 figure amount. But not 6 figures.

All I'm saying is that the cost is more significant than a few thousand because of the weapon. And honestly, unless you've been involved in hiring a security guard, why would you think of the insurance? I have that experience and I remember the liability being astronomical, and it being more depending on the type of weapon. At least that's the way it was in 2010.

[expandspanos]

Hmmm.. They've already got a professional looking donation page set up one day after:

http://prayersforucc.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That didn't take long....

[Ibanez]

Hmmm.. They've already got a professional looking donation page set up one day after:

http://prayersforucc.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That didn't take long....

It doesn't take long. Why don't you believe it's real? What proof do you have?

And don't show me a youtube video made by some virgin in his mom's basement.

[LeadBolt]

I really think we would be better off having gun education and handling classes in schools, as well as getting rid of all "gun free" zones. According to a posting I read earlier from he Washington Post, (I believe) the campus was a gun free zone, just like in CT, in Columbine, and the theater massacres.

Those who have been educated about guns tend to respect what they can do more than those who pick up the concept through video games and off the street. Getting the mentally ill off of the street would help as well.

The crux of the problem is a societal problem, not a gun problem. I'm not sure why the shooter was targeting Christians, but respect for others beliefs, even if they are not PC would also help out.

Once again, waiting for the police or other government agencies for prevention is a loser. Personal responsibility and preparation are needed.

[expandspanos]

Oregon Community College just had a "Staff Only Shooting Drill".. Last week.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QpOtt1LdA[/youtube]

[dbackjon]

Oregon Community College just had a "Staff Only Shooting Drill".. Last week.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QpOtt1LdA[/youtube]

So they shot only the staff last week?

[CID1990]

weak sauce, klam

why dont you just back away from this one before you wind up in the punishment box with Jelly Jon Clitsaurus

So "incremental measures" and "shall not be infringed" would be your STFU moment?

no, the STFU moment is when idiots like The One and his facebook legions moan about how we need congressional action to circumvent the constitution

so I say again- amend the constitution or STFU

[YoUDeeMan]

Thank you. He keeps changing his proposal.

Of course, there WERE armed CCW carriers on campus. Didn't prevent it. None of them stopped it.

A hero named Chris Mintz tried, former Army, but was shot.

BDKKKK types don't want to pay anything for public schools to begin with, so where is the money for enough guards?

The only way these guards would have made a difference is if you had 15-20 on duty at ALL Times. One or two wouldn't make a big difference.

Christ...I thought you only stuck your dick up someone else's azz, not your whole head.

The only way you didn't know what BDKWMDs was talking about was if you had shit in your eyes and ears. *

Additionally (yeah, I'm piling on), you say one or two guys with guns would not make a difference. Plenty of cases where only one or two people did make a difference (stop being lazy and look it up). But of course, you want the people those individuals saved to be dead, right?



* Edit: or, if you were Ibanez...aka: Mr Literal. But at least he admits his mistakes.

[Ibanez]

Thank you. He keeps changing his proposal.

Of course, there WERE armed CCW carriers on campus. Didn't prevent it. None of them stopped it.

A hero named Chris Mintz tried, former Army, but was shot.

BDKKKK types don't want to pay anything for public schools to begin with, so where is the money for enough guards?

The only way these guards would have made a difference is if you had 15-20 on duty at ALL Times. One or two wouldn't make a big difference.

Christ...I thought you only stuck your dick up someone else's azz, not your whole head.

The only way you didn't know what BDKWMDs was talking about was if you had shit in your eyes and ears. *

Additionally (yeah, I'm piling on), you say one or two guys with guns would not make a difference. Plenty of cases where only one or two people did make a difference (stop being lazy and look it up). But of course, you want the people those individuals saved to be dead, right?



* Edit: or, if you were Ibanez...aka: Mr Literal. But at least he admits his mistakes.

I'm "Mr.Literal" solely to be a dick. It's a character flaw, I know.

But good post. I agree 100%.

What's that USMC saying about all you need is a Marine and his gun? I can't think of it at the moment. All it takes is one person.

[Ibanez]

BDK makes a good point. My only thing was it would cost more.

[Vidav]

It's crazy how other developed countries don't have nearly as many shootings as the US. But of course, gun ownership is the answer to solving the problem.

[Baldy]

It's crazy how other developed countries don't have nearly as many shootings as the US. But of course, gun ownership is the answer to solving the problem.

Freedom sucks, don't it?

[HI54UNI]

What I edited prior post to say- At the time I was baseing it off of a reported security guard at the school. So was baseing it off of 1 security guard during school hours (8 or so hrs a day). I Later heard someone state that it was 2 security guards, and someone else on the news said 24 hr. Well, that could raise the difference between unarmed and armed to a 5 figure amount. But not 6 figures.

All I'm saying is that the cost is more significant than a few thousand because of the weapon. And honestly, unless you've been involved in hiring a security guard, why would you think of the insurance? I have that experience and I remember the liability being astronomical, and it being more depending on the type of weapon. At least that's the way it was in 2010.

If it is a state owned community college the state likely self-insures and/or their general liability is so high already that giving a security guard a gun wouldn't cost anything extra as far as insurance.

[Vidav]

It's crazy how other developed countries don't have nearly as many shootings as the US. But of course, gun ownership is the answer to solving the problem.

Freedom sucks, don't it?

There are a lot of free countries.

[Ibanez]

All I'm saying is that the cost is more significant than a few thousand because of the weapon. And honestly, unless you've been involved in hiring a security guard, why would you think of the insurance? I have that experience and I remember the liability being astronomical, and it being more depending on the type of weapon. At least that's the way it was in 2010.

If it is a state owned community college the state likely self-insures and/or their general liability is so high already that giving a security guard a gun wouldn't cost anything extra as far as insurance.

That's a good point.

[89Hen]

Fucking Atheists.

[D1B]

Another massacre.

Thanks conks.