Ruby Ridge-style standoff? Bundy says he is prepared to Die

[Chizzang]

Infowars? Really?

Travelinman, I know Spandos.... and you are NO Spandos.

And Infowars is no Rush. Amirite?

Certainly nowhere near as well researched and honest as Rush

[kalm]

Are illegal aliens illegally running cattle on our land too?

No cattle, just drugs and abandoning many of the weak they have fleeced to bring across the border to die. I get your point, that's not nearly as bad as running cattle.

The law enforcement complex and illegal employers also like this.

[LeadBolt]

Ranchers on Federal land without paying royalties = armed action

Illegal aliens on Federal land without paying taxes = welfare & healthcare

Illegal aliens filing taxes = sending billions in tax credits to nieces and nephews off shore

You should be directing your opprobrium at the Chamber of Commerce. They're the ones that want the illegals to stay.

The Chamber of Commerce may be the one of the groups that want illegals to stay, but they are not in a position to enforce or ignore the law, therefore I will continue to direct my invective toward those who should enforce the laws, but do not.

PS - Please notice I have not mentioned members of either political party and I do not believe this issue began with the current administration, only the false hope for positive change.

[LeadBolt]

No cattle, just drugs and abandoning many of the weak they have fleeced to bring across the border to die. I get your point, that's not nearly as bad as running cattle.

The law enforcement complex and illegal employers also like this.

Source?

[LeadBolt]

The law enforcement complex and illegal employers also like this.

Source?

The position paper of the National Sherriffs' Association does not read that way to me.

http://www.sheriffs.org/sites/default/f ... 0FINAL.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(actually reading, not just sipping coffee)

[YoUDeeMan]

Source?

The position paper of the National Sherriffs' Association does not read that way to me.

http://www.sheriffs.org/sites/default/f ... 0FINAL.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

kalm meant Holder...and our Commander-in-Chief.

[LeadBolt]

The position paper of the National Sherriffs' Association does not read that way to me.

http://www.sheriffs.org/sites/default/f ... 0FINAL.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

kalm meant Holder...and our Commander-in-Chief.

Sorry, but I took law enforcement complex literally. I view EHH jr. as head of the law non-enforcement complex.

[kalm]

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[LeadBolt]

The position paper of the National Sherriffs' Association does not read that way to me.

http://www.sheriffs.org/sites/default/f ... 0FINAL.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(actually reading, not just sipping coffee)

Law enforcement was referring to your point about illegal drugs. You don't really think LE and their suppliers are are against the war on drugs do you? The illegal employers is another obvious one going back to who supported Reagan and why he granted amnesty. It's pretty damn obvious but if you'd like I can dig up some additional references.

Oh…and look here. A meme that somewhat ties everything together!

So the fees aren't really the result of congressionally passed laws, but executive fiat? I really don't care who put it in place, the executive branch is out of control and needs to be reined in.

[kalm]

Law enforcement was referring to your point about illegal drugs. You don't really think LE and their suppliers are are against the war on drugs do you? The illegal employers is another obvious one going back to who supported Reagan and why he granted amnesty. It's pretty damn obvious but if you'd like I can dig up some additional references.

Oh…and look here. A meme that somewhat ties everything together!

So the fees aren't really the result of congressionally passed laws, but executive fiat? I really don't care who put it in place, the executive branch is out of control and needs to be reined in.

I gladly pay fees to visit national parks. Then again I'm not a free loader and I understand that managing land costs money.

[YoUDeeMan]

I gladly pay fees to visit national parks. Then again I'm not a free loader and I understand that MIS-managing land costs money.

FIFY

[AZGrizFan]

Rumor is that the Feds are preparing to raid the ranch....stay tuned.

[kalm]

I gladly pay fees to visit national parks. Then again I'm not a free loader and I understand that MIS-managing land costs money.

FIFY

I'm sorry you EC(b) ers are so ignorant our western heritage.

[LeadBolt]

FIFY

I'm sorry you EC(b) ers are so ignorant our western heritage.

The BLM began charging grazing fees in 1936 on the lands in question. For some reason I thought your western heritage went back farther than that.

[kalm]

I'm sorry you EC(b) ers are so ignorant our western heritage.

The BLM began charging grazing fees in 1936 on the lands in question. For some reason I thought your western heritage went back farther than that.

It does. The urgency of protection has SLIGHTLY increased over time.

[LeadBolt]

So let's review, your references to law enforcement support of illegal immigration, national park fees and western heritage were all red herrings ad the reference to RWR was a diversion?

[kalm]

So let's review, your references to law enforcement support of illegal immigration, national park fees and western heritage were all red herrings ad the reference to RWR was a diversion?

Huh?

1) We have this wonderful heritage of wide open spaces out west that are owned by everyone. The federal government manages them through the BLM, Forest Service, etc. Hunters, fisherman, white water rafters, ranchers etc get to use them. Some require user fees, others require permits for usage at more than a fair rate. Because they belong to the people, everyone gets to use them, but there are some reasonable regulations. Most users don't have a problem with this. Bundy does. Bundy is being supported by tea party/militia types who pay homage to Ronald Reagan. Ironically, Reagan signed an executive order regulating the use of these lands. Tea party/militia types are mad. High ironic comedy ensues as tea party/militia types congregate under a highway overpass built by a brutal over-reaching government. Government types back down in the name of safety and somehow, some way, tea party/militia types claim victory.

2) Read above.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I thought Reagan was dead?

What is it about the left that they have to live in the past?


Oh, BTW I am heading to Nevada. Listen for drone stories in the news..........

[CID1990]

And Infowars is no Rush. Amirite?

Certainly nowhere near as well researched and honest as Rush

I like how Ive got you sniping

like a smug version of Klam

[houndawg]

They'd be out of business tomorrow if we locked up a few of their employers.


Like every peckerwood in Congress with a housekeeper.

[houndawg]

Are illegal aliens illegally running cattle on our land too?

No cattle, just drugs and abandoning many of the weak they have fleeced to bring across the border to die. I get your point, that's not nearly as bad as running cattle.

Lock up a few employers and they're out of business tomorrow.

[houndawg]

You should be directing your opprobrium at the Chamber of Commerce. They're the ones that want the illegals to stay.

The Chamber of Commerce may be the one of the groups that want illegals to stay, but they are not in a position to enforce or ignore the law, therefore I will continue to direct my invective toward those who should enforce the laws, but do not.

PS - Please notice I have not mentioned members of either political party and I do not believe this issue began with the current administration, only the false hope for positive change.

Yes, but you want them to blame the victim when it would be much faster and cheaper to go after those who hire them. Illegals won't come if there aren't any jobs.

[LeadBolt]

The Chamber of Commerce may be the one of the groups that want illegals to stay, but they are not in a position to enforce or ignore the law, therefore I will continue to direct my invective toward those who should enforce the laws, but do not.

PS - Please notice I have not mentioned members of either political party and I do not believe this issue began with the current administration, only the false hope for positive change.

Yes, but you want them to blame the victim when it would be much faster and cheaper to go after those who hire them. Illegals won't come if there aren't any jobs.

The only victims here are the thousands of legal aliens we have and the thousands of those who wait off shore to come legally who abide by the laws and those here who suffer from the unrestricted and unregulated illegal immigration and unprotected borders that allow criminals and drugs to pour into the country.

The criminals are the illegal aliens and their knowing illegal employers. I've got no problem with prosecuting those who hire them as well as deporting the illegals.

What we really need to do is put in place reasonable immigration and guest worker laws and enforce them while protecting our borders, not what we have now of fatally flawed laws we don't enforce and unprotected borders that put us at risk for a terror attack and leave us vulnerable to the Mexican cartels.

[houndawg]

Yes, but you want them to blame the victim when it would be much faster and cheaper to go after those who hire them. Illegals won't come if there aren't any jobs.

The only victims here are the thousands of legal aliens we have and the thousands of those who wait off shore to come legally who abide by the laws and those here who suffer from the unrestricted and unregulated illegal immigration and unprotected borders that allow criminals and drugs to pour into the country.

The criminals are the illegal aliens and their knowing illegal employers. I've got no problem with prosecuting those who hire them as well as deporting the illegals.

What we really need to do is put in place reasonable immigration and guest worker laws and enforce them while protecting our borders, not what we have now of fatally flawed laws we don't enforce and unprotected borders that put us at risk for a terror attack and leave us vulnerable to the Mexican cartels.

Tighter borders wouldn't have done a thing to stop McVeigh, or Atlanta, or Boston, and in about five years they won't have any role at all in terror attacks.

Right now we have all the drones.

[LeadBolt]

The only victims here are the thousands of legal aliens we have and the thousands of those who wait off shore to come legally who abide by the laws and those here who suffer from the unrestricted and unregulated illegal immigration and unprotected borders that allow criminals and drugs to pour into the country.

The criminals are the illegal aliens and their knowing illegal employers. I've got no problem with prosecuting those who hire them as well as deporting the illegals.

What we really need to do is put in place reasonable immigration and guest worker laws and enforce them while protecting our borders, not what we have now of fatally flawed laws we don't enforce and unprotected borders that put us at risk for a terror attack and leave us vulnerable to the Mexican cartels.

Tighter borders wouldn't have done a thing to stop McVeigh, or Atlanta, or Boston, and in about five years they won't have any role at all in terror attacks.

Right now we have all the drones.

Who ever claimed tighter borders would have any impact domestic nut jobs. Tighter borders won't fix the populations propensity to be overweight, Obamacare or cure hangovers either. Nice dodge.

For the bolded part above, all I can say is "That's one opinion".