Aweism

[Grizalltheway]

Joe,
You sound like somebody defending narcissism as a valid neurosis to fight depression
Having an overly grandiose view of humanity is charming for sure but its just that (Grandiose)

Spit out the thesaurus, Mr. Faux Ivy, and stop playing to the easily impressed.

Hidden in your hauteur is the concession that I am right.

Now I'm not sure who I'm talking to. The guy who has the "inner sense of awe" or the guy who thinks that there is something narcissistic about thinking human existence is transcendental.

Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can never be wrong.

I figure you believe there is nothing grandiose about being human. I've known all along that you are one of those "animals are people too" types.

You're almost as bad at understanding analogies as Z is at coming up with them.

[kalm]

Why is having a sense of awe delusional?

Because if there is nothing transcendental about human existence, this sense of awe, as well as our feelings, emotions, affections, sacrifice, ideas, ideals -- in short, everything we believe makes mankind the noblest of all creatures -- are mere illusions. We are then simply the smartest of earth's inhabitants (hell, some animal had to be, right?). So then only difference between a puppy that gets hits by a car and a little child is that the child was a more intelligent animal.

If you really think about it, that should deflate any "inner sense" of awe.

1) Can't you transcend (at least ordinary) human existence while in this world?

2) Why would anyone want to deflate a sense of inner peace? It could lead to something.

3) Is the love I feel for my children or sense of one I feel with the universe when I'm fishing an early season mayfly hatch on a spring creek and the sounds of fish taking emergers near the surface, the occasional caddis helecoptering by my ear, the coyotes howling in the distance, the new moon rising over the horizon at last light to provide me a backdrop to tie on one more blue winged olive all an illusion unless I acknowledge Christ as my savior?

Crying now….

[Chizzang]

Joe,
You sound like somebody defending narcissism as a valid neurosis to fight depression
Having an overly grandiose view of humanity is charming for sure but its just that (Grandiose)

Spit out the thesaurus, Mr. Faux Ivy, and stop playing to the easily impressed.

Hidden in your hauteur is the concession that I am right.

Now I'm not sure who I'm talking to. The guy who has the "inner sense of awe" or the guy who thinks that there is something narcissistic about thinking human existence is transcendental.

Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can never be wrong.

I figure you believe there is nothing grandiose about being human. I've known all along that you are one of those "animals are people too" types.

Joe,
You should really try to have more fun with the unknown
instead of pretending to have all the answers

And everybody here already knows I got booted and my feelings aren't hurt
So your regular trip to the ivy league insults and back again is kind of losing its sting

So...
Experiencing an "inner sense of awe" doesn't automatically validate every biblical passage
Your confusing: accepting the inner sense of awe - with validating its origins - and these things are different

I accept that we (humans) routinely experience awe and that it is indeed AWESOME..!!!
I make no further claims

I do admit I WANT there to be a god
But I won't confuse that with there actually being one

I still love you Joe

[D1B]

I love Joe too. He's my only friend here and he's kind to Julian.

That being said I can't help but feel he's been robbed. To be so intelligent and forced to filter the incredible beauty, tragedy and mystery of the universe through a silly and archaic myth is a shame.

[D1B]

Spit out the thesaurus, Mr. Faux Ivy, and stop playing to the easily impressed.

Hidden in your hauteur is the concession that I am right.

Now I'm not sure who I'm talking to. The guy who has the "inner sense of awe" or the guy who thinks that there is something narcissistic about thinking human existence is transcendental.

Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can never be wrong.

I figure you believe there is nothing grandiose about being human. I've known all along that you are one of those "animals are people too" types.

Joe,
You should really try to have more fun with the unknown
instead of pretending to have all the answers

And everybody here already knows I got booted and my feelings aren't hurt
So your regular trip to the ivy league insults and back again is kind of losing its sting

So...
Experiencing an "inner sense of awe" doesn't automatically validate every biblical passage
Your confusing: accepting the inner sense of awe - with validating its origins - and these things are different

I accept that we (humans) routinely experience awe and that it is indeed AWESOME..!!!
I make no further claims

I do admit I WANT there to be a god
But I won't confuse that with there actually being one

I still love you Joe

There is a god. It's the only thing I'm absolutely sure of.

[JoltinJoe]

Spit out the thesaurus, Mr. Faux Ivy, and stop playing to the easily impressed.

Hidden in your hauteur is the concession that I am right.

Now I'm not sure who I'm talking to. The guy who has the "inner sense of awe" or the guy who thinks that there is something narcissistic about thinking human existence is transcendental.

Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can never be wrong.

I figure you believe there is nothing grandiose about being human. I've known all along that you are one of those "animals are people too" types.

Joe,
You should really try to have more fun with the unknown
instead of pretending to have all the answers

And everybody here already knows I got booted and my feelings aren't hurt
So your regular trip to the ivy league insults and back again is kind of losing its sting

So...
Experiencing an "inner sense of awe" doesn't automatically validate every biblical passage
Your confusing: accepting the inner sense of awe - with validating its origins - and these things are different

I accept that we (humans) routinely experience awe and that it is indeed AWESOME..!!!
I make no further claims

I do admit I WANT there to be a god
But I won't confuse that with there actually being one

I still love you Joe

Dude, I was kinda having fun with you. I know you don't give a rat's ass about Harvard, so I know that the "faux Ivy" thing doesn't bother you. It just seemed funny used in connection with the reference to a thesaurus (and then ironic in connection with my own use "hauteur" in sort of a practice what you preach way.).

And the "animals are people too" thing was supposed to be funny too.

I guess humor sometimes doesn't translate it in the one-dimension in which we speak here.

Bottom line where we differ: I do think our need to want there to be a God is basis enough to have faith. There is something ingrained, biological in us to want to have a God. If God is a myth, why wouldn't man, the most superior product of the process of evolution, evolved past this need at this point?

Like you, I want there to be a God, because I can't stand the thought that the poor little kid born in some far away land, only to die because we didn't care enough simply to feed him, will never have the justice he deserved. He'll get that justice, I believe, because I believe in God.

Bottom line where we differ. You say the concept of God is exciting to you, but we can't really know anything about God. I say we can believe in a God, consistent with that best nature of man, because that's where our best nature comes from, and we are biologically "programmed" to have that need for God. Why?

You remind me of myself when I was in college, so in need of "knowing" and "being sure." Hey, Bro, that's why it's called faith.

It's ok not to be "sure."

[CID1990]

All four of you need to get it over with and show each other your vaginas.

[Chizzang]

All four of you need to get it over with and show each other your vaginas.

I was holding out