Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

[BDKJMU]

These are the cops.

Holder should step down for a number of reasons, but it's funny how EP was ok when it was used to defend Rove.

Apples and oranges. Rove was a part of the White House staff and under the blanket of the executive branch. Holder is a part of the DOJ and subject to confirmation by the Senate and not covered by Executive Privilege.

The only way Obama could legally use EP is if the president or one of his staff is involved.
Holder is toast anyway. From my understanding, if a federal agent working undercover has to break the law as part of his duties as an undercover agent, the AG has to sign off on it personally. Holder had to know about F&F from day one.

He either knew about it or if grossly incompetent if he didn't, because it was an arm of HIS Justice Dept that was running it.

[BDKJMU]

Obama's coverup of F&F makes Watergate look like Tiddly winks. Watergate was Nixon covering up a 3rd rate burglary. F&F is Obama covering up 2k weapons being sent to Mexico, many of them ended up in the hands of the cartels, where people have already died on both sides of the border as a direct result of this, including a US Border Patrol Agent, and people will continue to die on both sides of the border.

[BDKJMU]

Apples and oranges. Rove was a part of the White House staff and under the blanket of the executive branch. Holder is a part of the DOJ and subject to confirmation by the Senate and not covered by Executive Privilege.

The only way Obama could legally use EP is if the president or one of his staff is involved.
Holder is toast anyway. From my understanding, if a federal agent working undercover has to break the law as part of his duties as an undercover agent, the AG has to sign off on it personally. Holder had to know about F&F from day one.

Obama uses EP to prevent documents from being released that he claims he hasn't seen and that he claims don't exist.

Interesting.

This is going to get ugly. It will be refered to the USA for DC, who of course won't order his AG boss investigated. Its going to be fought over in the courts this summer and fall.

Congress should withhold DOJ funding until they get the documents....

[TheDancinMonarch]

Obama uses EP to prevent documents from being released that he claims he hasn't seen and that he claims don't exist.

Interesting.

This is going to get ugly. It will be refered to the USA for DC, who of course won't order his AG boss investigated. Its going to be fought over in the courts this summer and fall.

Congress should withhold DOJ funding until they get the documents....

Better than talking about the economy.

[AZGrizFan]

What's really hilarious is that if you go to msnbc.com, you'd never know Holder was even in hot water. Not a single mention of him on their U.S. page, their Politics page, nothing.

But we get to hear all about Sandusky's rape victims.

WAFJ.

[DSUrocks07]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-j ... stration-s

[AZGrizFan]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-j ... stration-s

Classic.

[Ivytalk]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-j ... stration-s

Classic.

Once in a great while, Stewart nails one.

Hey, DSUrocks, did you bang that hot chick in your gif?

[ASUG8]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-j ... stration-s

Nailed it.

[Bronco]

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Not sure how the dumb guy like Bush could set up and out smart BHO but Reverend Al has a theory.

Al Sharpton Sees a “Conspiracy” In Fast And Furious: Bush Set Obama Up…


Video at link

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[BlueHen86]

Holder will be gone soon enough. Asking him to step down now is an admission that he did something wrong and politicians don't like to admit mistakes.

Obama will try and wait for things to calm down, and then Holder will announce that he is moving on.

[Ivytalk]

Holder will be gone soon enough. Asking him to step down now is an admission that he did something wrong and politicians don't like to admit mistakes.

Obama will try and wait for things to calm down, and then Holder will announce that he is moving on.

He'll become general counsel at Goldman Sachs.

[JohnStOnge]

No he should step down over that thing where those Black Panther guys were intimidating voters and the Justice Department decided not to do anything. That, to me, is a lot worse than this "Fast and Furious" thing. I mean as far as the Justice Department's involvement goes.

[JohnStOnge]

Not sure how the dumb guy like Bush could set up and out smart BHO

I would not be surprised if Bush has a higher IQ than Obama does. And I'm absolutely serious. I think the general public perception of Bush's intelligence level consistently under estimated it and that of Obama's intelligence level probably consistently over estimates it.

But it's hard to tell because it's been impossible for me to find information on how Obama did on standardized tests or intelligence tests

[Bronco]

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I agree BHO is a light weight and now a Lib author has discovered that he is what most of us knew... a liar.

Obama's Truthiness
Townhall.com ^ | June 22, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

It's becoming increasingly clear that President Obama is not burdened with too heavy a commitment to honesty.
This is hardly a shock about any politician, but revelations of dishonesty hurt some more than others. Announce that Bill Clinton has been speaking falsely, and it hits the ears with as much force as the news that birds fly, fish swim and dogs lick their own nether regions.

But Obama was supposed to be different. He was a "lightworker," an ocean tamer and cynicism slayer. In short, he was supposed to be too good to be true -- and it turns out he was.

That's one obvious conclusion to be drawn from the all-too-delayed vetting of the president's biography, most notably in David Maraniss' aptly titled new book, "Barack Obama: The Story," but also at news outlets such as National Review Online and Big Journalism.

Obama has been less than honest about many things. Some of his biggest distortions should be the subject of sustained soul searching on the part of the media. For instance, as New York Times reporter Janny Scott first reported over a year ago, Obama lied about his cancer-stricken mother being denied coverage for her pre-existing condition. Yes, he was close to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and former terrorist Bill Ayers. Yes, he was a member of the socialist New Party (as my National Review colleague Stanley Kurtz has documented).

In the spirit of charity, some of the lies can be chalked up, at least in part, to fanciful family narratives. Obama claims his maternal grandfather fought in Patton's army and liberated Nazi death camps. He says his paternal grandfather was tortured by the British imperialists in Kenya. He's claimed his Indonesian stepgrandfather was killed by the Dutch while fighting for independence. None of that is true.

What I find more interesting are the lies Obama tells not so much about himself, but about society. In "Dreams from My Father," Obama tells readers that he struggled with racism and racial alienation all his life. He wasn't a starter on his high school basketball team because he played "black" while his coach coached "white." He confabulated a black friend in high school who, like himself, was shunned for racial reasons. He wrote of a "big fight" with a white ex-girlfriend who, after seeing a racially charged play, "started talking about why black people were so angry all the time."

As Maraniss methodically shows, these and other tales of racial woe were false. His coach didn't start him because he wasn't good enough to start. His friend in high school was half-Japanese, not black, and neither of them were racially ostracized. The girlfriend, Genevieve Cook, never saw the play and never said anything of the sort. And so on.
The Barack Obama who wrote "Dreams From My Father" probably never dreamed of becoming president of the United States. That man was a product of campus culture -- at Harvard, Columbia and the University of Chicago -- and his vignettes of racial struggle were in some respects the coin of his realm. Later, when he entered the national political scene, he discovered this currency was accepted by much of the mainstream media as well.

No doubt Obama experienced racial animosity in his life, but not enough to fill a memoir with true examples. No doubt life had been unfair to him, but not so unfair as to keep him from Harvard, the Senate or the White House. He has lived a charmed life in almost every regard, but the truth is not as compelling as the legend.

The lies, the self-made myths and the whole gestalt of the Obama story as told by Obama and his fans boil down to a man who has struggled with adversity and proven himself better than the society that spawned him. In effect, we don't deserve Barack Obama. Perhaps this helps explain why Michelle Obama once said that the impending nomination of her husband was the first time in her adult life she was proud of America.

One pattern holds from beginning to end of the tale: When things go wrong for the young Barack, the truth must be bent to show that it's somebody else's fault. Young Barry Obama had the right stuff as a basketball player but was denied by the smallness of his coach's vision. Older Barack Obama, likewise, has the right stuff, but voters, or the Republicans, or maybe the Europeans, are too small to recognize his greatness. The truth of the matter has nothing to do with it.

[SuperHornet]

It's probably not going to matter in the long run. Sure, he should probably pay with his job. But if the Elephants win in Nov, Romney's certainly not going to ask Holder to stick around as President Obama did with Defense Secretary William Gates. And if the Donkey's win, there will likely be some shuffling (there always is after a re-election) in many of the Cabinet positions, and DOJ will likely be one of them. Either Holder will decide that he's had enough and quietly leave along with others who leave or move around, or President Obama will quietly ask him to do so to shed dead weight. The negative pub is probably seen in the White House as a drag on the things the President wants to do during his term of office.

[BlueHen86]

It's probably not going to matter in the long run. Sure, he should probably pay with his job. But if the Elephants win in Nov, Romney's certainly not going to ask Holder to stick around as President Obama did with Defense Secretary William Gates. And if the Donkey's win, there will likely be some shuffling (there always is after a re-election) in many of the Cabinet positions, and DOJ will likely be one of them. Either Holder will decide that he's had enough and quietly leave along with others who leave or move around, or President Obama will quietly ask him to do so to shed dead weight. The negative pub is probably seen in the White House as a drag on the things the President wants to do during his term of office.

My perception is that Presidents usually do better in their second term (if they get one) in part because they can get rid of the appointees who were owed favors and replace them with people who can actually do the job. I may be wrong, but it seems that way to me. If Obama wins in Nov. he'll likely get rid of his worst appointees and upgrade. The GOP will still hate him, but things won't be quite as bad.

[DSUrocks07]

Classic.

Once in a great while, Stewart nails one.

Hey, DSUrocks, did you bang that hot chick in your gif?

[Bronco]

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Two good videos on the subject

Pass them on to friends and ask your rep that you want Holder to step down...would be a good start


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[DSUrocks07]

House votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt of Congress. This is the first time in US history that the AG was held in contempt of Congress. Large group of Donks walk out in protest. 17 Dems sided with the Repubs on the vote.

Smh...this is all political grandstanding.

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[travelinman67]

Judge orders Holder to turn over lust of Fast and Furious documents withheld from Congress...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... m-Congress