Obama seizes N.M. land on border for national monument

[HI54UNI]

Looks like wasteland to me. Good place for a landfill.
Good job Obama.

You may have just come up with the solution. Turn the area into a hazardous waste dump. No need to guard the border in the area because you go through and you will die. We've got a place for our hazardous waste, no illegal immigration in the area, and no money spent patrolling the border. Everybody wins!

[YoUDeeMan]

There areThe Border Patrol already deals with other wilderness areas near the border. Grazing rights are not effected. The does not designate any NEW wilderness areas - only Congress can do that.

"Only Congress can declare a national park, which stops most land uses. But under the 1906 Antiquities Act the president has the power to declare national monuments, which offer heightened environmental protections.
The New Mexico monument is Mr. Obama’s second designation this year. In March, he added 1,600 acres in the Point Arena-Stornetta region to the California Coastal National Monument established by President Clinton in 2000. House Republicans said the action wasn’t necessary because they had passed similar legislation that was awaiting Senate action.

About half the Organ Mountains monument will be designated as wilderness, the highest level of protection, closing it to motorized vehicles and human construction.


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[kalm]

IMO we need more National Parks, State Parks, Wilderness Areas and land set aside for public use for today and the future. We also need to protect our key water shed areas as they are vital.

I look at it like the rain forests in Brazil. Every year the amount available gets smaller and small. Once it's gone, it's gone for good....

Deciding upon which areas should be set aside is open for discussion but IMO we need to set aside as much as we possibly can. PERIOD!

We already have plenty of parkland. And the govt already owns almost 35% of the land in the country, which is plenty.
http://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are never going to have enough protected wilderness. These areas increase the standard of living for everyone, even for those to stubborn to recognize their value.

[YoUDeeMan]

We already have plenty of parkland. And the govt already owns almost 35% of the land in the country, which is plenty.
http://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are never going to have enough protected wilderness. These areas increase the standard of living for everyone, even for those to stubborn to recognize their value.

I think Detroit, and many parts of Chicago, should be plowed down and made into protected wilderness parks. And then we need to tell those hippie protesters that they shouldn't pee and crap in our parks...it is ruining the standard of living for the rest of us.

[Baldy]

We already have plenty of parkland. And the govt already owns almost 35% of the land in the country, which is plenty.
http://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are never going to have enough protected wilderness. These areas increase the standard of living for everyone, even for those to stubborn to recognize their value.

Let's see...declaring someone's land as federal protected wilderness will increase their standard of living more so than if they owned it???

[kalm]

We are never going to have enough protected wilderness. These areas increase the standard of living for everyone, even for those to stubborn to recognize their value.

Let's see...declaring someone's land as federal protected wilderness will increase their standard of living more so than if they owned it???

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

[YoUDeeMan]

Let's see...declaring someone's land as federal protected wilderness will increase their standard of living more so than if they owned it???

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

This land is your land, this land is my land...














...one of us must have a fake deed.

[Baldy]

Let's see...declaring someone's land as federal protected wilderness will increase their standard of living more so than if they owned it???

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

So you don't believe in private property rights...how "progressive" of you.

[kalm]

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

So you don't believe in private property rights...how "progressive" of you.

Of course I do. I also believe in hard work, vigorous exercise, the majesty of the outdoors, public property and our national heritage. See Teddy Roosevelt.

[BDKJMU]

We already have plenty of parkland. And the govt already owns almost 35% of the land in the country, which is plenty.
http://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plenty for now maybe...but once it's gone it's gone for good. I'm thinking of our children and our childerns children...Plus, I'm leaving out BLM land and mainly confining my comment towards parks and wilderness areas that are not supposed to be changed by "humans". BLM is a big question mark even in my own mind.

Our national parks aren't going anywhere...

[BDKJMU]

Let's see...declaring someone's land as federal protected wilderness will increase their standard of living more so than if they owned it???

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

If go buy a plot of land, its not my land, but everyones? Ok COMRADE.

[Baldy]

So you don't believe in private property rights...how "progressive" of you.

Of course I do. I also believe in hard work, vigorous exercise, the majesty of the outdoors, public property and our national heritage. See Teddy Roosevelt.

...and jingoism, imperialism, racism, etc.

[kalm]

It isn't someone's land, it's everyone's.

If go buy a plot of land, its not my land, but everyones? Ok COMRADE.

We're not talking about private land here. Good heavens you're a dolt.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If go buy a plot of land, its not my land, but everyones? Ok COMRADE.

We're not talking about private land here. Good heavens you're a dolt.

Federal land is basically private land.........you dolt

[Grizalltheway]

We're not talking about private land here. Good heavens you're a dolt.

Federal land is basically private land.........you dolt

Not even close to the truth.

[dbackjon]

There areThe Border Patrol already deals with other wilderness areas near the border. Grazing rights are not effected. The does not designate any NEW wilderness areas - only Congress can do that.

"Only Congress can declare a national park, which stops most land uses. But under the 1906 Antiquities Act the president has the power to declare national monuments, which offer heightened environmental protections.
The New Mexico monument is Mr. Obama’s second designation this year. In March, he added 1,600 acres in the Point Arena-Stornetta region to the California Coastal National Monument established by President Clinton in 2000. House Republicans said the action wasn’t necessary because they had passed similar legislation that was awaiting Senate action.

About half the Organ Mountains monument will be designated as wilderness, the highest level of protection, closing it to motorized vehicles and human construction.


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This article is wrong - Obama can recommend wilderness protection, and the BLM can put some regs in place, but it is not a true wilderness area until CONGRESS designates it:

When Congress designates each wilderness area, it includes a very specific boundary line—in statutory law. Once a wilderness area has been added to the System, its protection and boundary can only be altered by another act of Congress. That places a heavy burden on anyone who, all through the future, may propose some change.

[dbackjon]

Plenty for now maybe...but once it's gone it's gone for good. I'm thinking of our children and our childerns children...Plus, I'm leaving out BLM land and mainly confining my comment towards parks and wilderness areas that are not supposed to be changed by "humans". BLM is a big question mark even in my own mind.

Our national parks aren't going anywhere...

Yeah, that is why the GOP has consistenly underfunded the NPS, has proposed privatizing it, etc.

[dbackjon]

So any Wilderness Area that the monument includes was ALREADY wilderness area, passed in 2010 by CONGRESS.

This adds NO NEW WILDERNESS AREAS.

[CAA Flagship]

If a monument is built in a wilderness area, will anyone see it?

[Grizalltheway]

If a monument is built in a wilderness area, will anyone see it?

By people who occasionally get off of their couches, yes.

[dbackjon]

If a monument is built in a wilderness area, will anyone see it?

By people who occasionally get off of their couches, yes.

So unless there are helicopter tours, Flaggy won't see anything.

[CAA Flagship]

By people who occasionally get off of their couches, yes.

So unless there are helicopter tours, Flaggy won't see anything.

Helicopter tours are cool. Wait. Do they have air conditioning?

I saw Mt. Rushmore today in an episode of Pawn Stars when they went to Sturgis.
Now I can check that off my list of places to see.