Net Neutrality

[kalm]

But what we don't want (ever) is the service provider assessing the importance of the data moving down the pipe to your modem / and I don't care if it's netflix or an advertisement or VOIP

You know damn well it is going to happen. We are already so far down that road in our collective groupthink (although not as far as Europe but we're working on it)....

Think about it- in most of western Europe you can go to jail for saying the Holocaust didn't happen. It is a repugnant thing to say and therefore it is illegal. If Germany was in charge of the Internet, do you think it would be possible to say repugnant things there? Then it is only a short hop to the censure of other positions considered to be repugnant by some-

I dont think gays should marry

I do think gays should marry

I dont think abortion should be legal

I do think abortion should be legal

I don't think climate change is caused by humans

I do think climate change is caused by humans



I'll bet you a paycheck it is going to happen I am that sure of it.

I'm less worried about the lack of bandwidth scam. Once the truth of it becomes viral and somebody figures out a way to make money while putting everybody else out of business with slightly faster internetz we'll see a bandwidth war. The government just needs to stay out of the way

It would be wisest to mistrust BOTH big government and big business when it comes to limiting competition and increasing control. Especially when the two are in bed together.

[Baldy]

Breaking up monopolies.

Monopolies are created by government. Other than DeBeers and the NYSE, name me one monopoly that lasted any significant time and didn't crumble under the pressure of increased competition.

Classifying the most technologically advanced and sophisticated network as a "common carrier" and submit it to the rules and regulations of an antiquated piece of legislation will do to the internet what "common carrier" status did to the electrical grid, public water systems, and landline phone systems...destroy innovation and investment.

Here's a nice, succinct summary of the issue. Read it and get back to me….

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... s/4543059/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Another point that the Service providers really don't want anybody knowing is how much available bandwidth their really is.... I think the technical term for the amount of available bandwidth is "a metric-sh!tload"

WDM technology (Wave division multiplexing) has exponentially exploded fiber capacity

Because:
a) Light is really fast and
b) is infinitely divisible by spectrum

as a result of those ^ two things

c) Bandwidth is a word used to create value
d) and scare people

BUT:
Laser transmission speeds are now up to 26 terabytes
Let me explain how much bandwidth that is:
That would be enough bandwidth for 26 million people to have 10 mb a second high speed internet access
on effectively ONE FIBER OPTIC BUNDLE

Of course there are a myriad of intermediate devices in between "you and that fiber cable" that would dramatically slow the service - but - suffice to know: Bandwidth is a word used to scare people and increase service charges and monthly usage rates...

Note:
Paul Allen was so frustrated by this ^ that he used his investment company "Vulcan" to purchased Charter Communications so he could by-pass all the bandwidth bush!t on the Microsoft Campus

Who helped you with this post?

If it was really you, I may have to reassess my opinion of you......I really hope you are honest and admit you copy and pasted this so we can keep a stressed working relationship.

[Chizzang]

Who helped you with this post?

If it was really you, I may have to reassess my opinion of you......I really hope you are honest and admit you copy and pasted this so we can keep a stressed working relationship.

You do realize I worked at Scientific-Atlanta for 6 years right..?
During the CISCO buyout and everything - I left the broadband industry after that - actually I retired for a year after that then got bored and decided to finish some unfinished business in Boston...

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Another point that the Service providers really don't want anybody knowing is how much available bandwidth their really is.... I think the technical term for the amount of available bandwidth is "a metric-sh!tload"

WDM technology (Wave division multiplexing) has exponentially exploded fiber capacity

Because:
a) Light is really fast and
b) is infinitely divisible by spectrum

as a result of those ^ two things

c) Bandwidth is a word used to create value
d) and scare people

BUT:
Laser transmission speeds are now up to 26 terabytes
Let me explain how much bandwidth that is:
That would be enough bandwidth for 26 million people to have 10 mb a second high speed internet access
on effectively ONE FIBER OPTIC BUNDLE

Of course there are a myriad of intermediate devices in between "you and that fiber cable" that would dramatically slow the service - but - suffice to know: Bandwidth is a word used to scare people and increase service charges and monthly usage rates...

Note:
Paul Allen was so frustrated by this ^ that he used his investment company "Vulcan" to purchased Charter Communications so he could by-pass all the bandwidth bush!t on the Microsoft Campus

So as I look at this I get it and agree, theoretically fiber can be made to transmit more and more data if you multiplex the signal enough times to some certain speed. I am not sure what that is, but there is some physical maximum. Right now your optics are what are holding us back and they are not cheap.

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/P ... 12174641:s


I am not a proponent for or against net neutrality at this point. I don't know where it is going yet but I see why it is being discussed. It doesn't matter if you have a 1GB fiber connection in your house to the internet, you are still going to have to prioritize and QOS your traffic to make it do what you want it to do. 8 lane freeways still get clogged and more cars are getting through it than a 1 lane road but it is still congested and you have to let your police and ambulance through.

[Chizzang]

So as I look at this I get it and agree, theoretically fiber can be made to transmit more and more data if you multiplex the signal enough times to some certain speed. I am not sure what that is, but there is some physical maximum. Right now your optics are what are holding us back and they are not cheap.

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/P ... 12174641:s


I am not a proponent for or against net neutrality at this point. I don't know where it is going yet but I see why it is being discussed. It doesn't matter if you have a 1GB fiber connection in your house to the internet, you are still going to have to prioritize and QOS your traffic to make it do what you want it to do. 8 lane freeways still get clogged and more cars are getting through it than a 1 lane road but it is still congested and you have to let your police and ambulance through.

true dat ^
In areas like Montana Wyoming Utah Colorado New Mexico
The states are huge land masses with pockets of population
In these scenarios the amount of fiber in out of the way non-college towns tends to be on the "less than optimal" side of things... as you said the HUB''s and optics transmission side is expensive to build-out

But in Seattle (for example)
On the Microsoft campus amongst some 35 thousand employees all connected at the same time the speeds are STAGGERING to observe in the +100mbs speeds

and my service here in Redmond is capped at 50mbs but I know damn well it would naturally settle out around 100mbs and up

But to your point - assigning QOS and packet priority is good and necessary if done in as neutral a manner as possible

[CID1990]

Who helped you with this post?

If it was really you, I may have to reassess my opinion of you......I really hope you are honest and admit you copy and pasted this so we can keep a stressed working relationship.

You do realize I worked at Scientific-Atlanta for 6 years right..?
During the CISCO buyout and everything - I left the broadband industry after that - actually I retired for a year after that then got bored and decided to finish some unfinished business in Boston...

were you responsible for those sh1tty satellite receivers for AFN?

[Chizzang]

You do realize I worked at Scientific-Atlanta for 6 years right..?
During the CISCO buyout and everything - I left the broadband industry after that - actually I retired for a year after that then got bored and decided to finish some unfinished business in Boston...

were you responsible for those sh1tty satellite receivers for AFN?

Meh... nope I was in Broadband (High Speed Data)
Actually not to tire you guys but how I got to Scientific-Atlanta was through an acquisition
Scientific-Atlanta purchased Barco.Net (the Broad Band Division) of a Belgian company

I was a Barco Network U.S. Employee
Me and 7 other guys were busy kicking Scientific-Atlanta's ass in Broadband Networking all over the U.S. market to the point that Scientific-Atlanta had to buy us...

Then a few years after Scientific-Atlanta purchased us we were kicking the sh!t out of Cisco so badly
Cisco purchased us... I went through 2 stock buy-outs in about 6 years

Good Times my friend

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Who helped you with this post?

If it was really you, I may have to reassess my opinion of you......I really hope you are honest and admit you copy and pasted this so we can keep a stressed working relationship.

You do realize I worked at Scientific-Atlanta for 6 years right..?
During the CISCO buyout and everything - I left the broadband industry after that - actually I retired for a year after that then got bored and decided to finish some unfinished business in Boston...

Janitor?

[Chizzang]

You do realize I worked at Scientific-Atlanta for 6 years right..?
During the CISCO buyout and everything - I left the broadband industry after that - actually I retired for a year after that then got bored and decided to finish some unfinished business in Boston...

Janitor?

Sometimes I felt like a janitor

BTW: I am no longer at Polk Audio either as of Friday May 9th
the Xbox One project is over - so on the 19th I start my new job with a new company

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Janitor?

[Chizzang]

Janitor?

[BlueHen86]

Janitor?

[houndawg]

Janitor?

Sometimes I felt like a janitor

BTW: I am no longer at Polk Audio either as of Friday May 9th
the Xbox One project is over - so on the 19th I start my new job with a new company

Back in the day Polk made some nice stereo speakers.

[Chizzang]

Sometimes I felt like a janitor

BTW: I am no longer at Polk Audio either as of Friday May 9th
the Xbox One project is over - so on the 19th I start my new job with a new company

Back in the day Polk made some nice stereo speakers.

They still have some good sh!t...