L.P.D: Libertarian Police Department

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CID1990 wrote:
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Who is trying to abolish those programs?
I was thinking the same thing.

I hear a lot of noise about farm programs being welfare for rich big farmers (they are) but that noise tends to come from the left when they are making arguments based in moral equivalency.

Where's the hue and cry to abolish Soc Sec, labor laws, or unemployment insurance?
Those are donk voters: parasites living off of you and I. They aren't going to touch that anymore than a Republican will work to abolish Oil Subsidies. :twocents:
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JohnStOnge wrote:Another mischaracterization of what Libertarianism is.
Like you would know? You are the fakest "Libertarian" out there.
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I continue to have trouble believing that the libertarian philosophy is concerned only with the proper and improper uses of force. According to this view, the philosophy sets out a prohibition on the initiation of force and otherwise has nothing to say about anything else. (Fraud is conceived as an indirect form of force because, say, a deceptive seller obtains money from a buyer on terms other than those to which the buyer agreed.)
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Ibanez wrote:http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/06/a ... -to-racism
I continue to have trouble believing that the libertarian philosophy is concerned only with the proper and improper uses of force. According to this view, the philosophy sets out a prohibition on the initiation of force and otherwise has nothing to say about anything else. (Fraud is conceived as an indirect form of force because, say, a deceptive seller obtains money from a buyer on terms other than those to which the buyer agreed.)
Great find! JSO needs to read this. Why indeed is it wrong to kick another human, but not a rock…or a dog. :mrgreen:
So I’m puzzled by the pushback whenever someone explicitly associates the libertarian philosophy with values like tolerance and inclusion. We don’t care only about force and its improper uses. We care about individual persons. So we properly have concerns about any preferences that tend to erode the principle that initiating force is wrong.

A libertarian who holds his or her philosophy out of a conviction that all men and women are (or should be) equal in authority and thus none may subordinate another against his or her will (the most common justification) — that libertarian would naturally object to even nonviolent forms of subordination. Racism is just such a form (though not the only one), since existentially it entails at least an obligatory humiliating deference by members of one racial group to members of the dominant racial group. (The obligatory deference need not always be enforced by physical coercion.)
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