Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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Re: Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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Ibanez wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
The only selfless act is one that helps others
and is done completely anonymously
That isn't true. I was in Hardee's about a month ago and this black girl was trying to buy lunch for her kids. The girl was probably in her early 20s and had 4 children. Well, she couldn't buy two cheeseburgers. Her face got bright red and you can tell she was embarrassed. So, I bought a cheeseburger for each of them and went on my way. I did it and went on my way.
Selfless act...
You just described a "helpful" act

Selfless is difficult to capture in words
But being helpful and kind loving etc. etc. those things (also) serve thyself / however intangibly
Ones ego is the primary benefactor / establishing higher self worth

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Re: Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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JohnStOnge wrote:I haven't read them all yet but read a few. So far the best statement I've seen is near the beginning of the first one;



In spite of the "falsification" fad, science is not about that. Science is about building evidence of what is; not about demonstrating what is not. It's not about falsifying hypotheses except in the sense that in statistics you reject the null hypothesis in order to infer the alternative. But the point is to infer the alternative (which is that something has the hypothesized effect).

Interesting that I saw a quote reflecting what I think is a misunderstanding of what science is when I was watching a news report on atheists pushing for atheist chaplains in the military. A young atheist on screen said that science has shown there is no afterlife.

No. It has not; nor could it ever show that. The only conclusion the process of science can support with regard to that issue is that there is not sufficient evidence to conclude that there is an afterlife. That is unless someone could somehow show that there IS an afterlife.
I think you'll find a small percentage of confused atheists
Those who don't believe in God "actively"
Which is completely different than actively dismissing iron age stories and highly modified texts of lore
The active disbelievers would also be more likely to not completely understand the role of science

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I have noticed that the Bronze Age Gods are making a solid comeback with the kids
(Very popular right now) and these 20 somethings are alarmingly well studied on them and really seem to dig it

Who Knew..?
Would you please give me the scholarly link to the "modified texts of lore" that back up that statement?

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SeattleGriz wrote: Would you please give me the scholarly link to the "modified texts of lore" that back up that statement?

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You call it "The Bible"
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Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote: That isn't true. I was in Hardee's about a month ago and this black girl was trying to buy lunch for her kids. The girl was probably in her early 20s and had 4 children. Well, she couldn't buy two cheeseburgers. Her face got bright red and you can tell she was embarrassed. So, I bought a cheeseburger for each of them and went on my way. I did it and went on my way.
Selfless act...
You just described a "helpful" act

Selfless is difficult to capture in words
But being helpful and kind loving etc. etc. those things (also) serve thyself / however intangibly
Ones ego is the primary benefactor / establishing higher self worth

True Selflessness is Anonymous
Selfless - Having, exhibiting, or motivated by no concern for oneself;
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/selfless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're playing a semantics game. Selfless acts can be helpful. My selfless act was very helpful to that family. And in a sense, it was anonymous. I never introduced myself. I simply told her that I would take care of, ordered the burgers and only said, "you're welcome." That is a selfless act. There is no reason to place a qualifier on a pure, human action. The black man that rescued those Ohio girls that were held captive for 10 years did a selfless act. He was unmotivated by fame or recognition.
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Re: Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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SeattleGriz wrote: Would you please give me the scholarly link to the "modified texts of lore" that back up that statement?

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You call it "The Bible"
... and the PhDs that back your claim up? My pastor often goes back to the original context to show how the modern version is sorely lacking.

Your college educated source?

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Re: Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Edited over 300 times / wildly flawed / occasionally insane / intermittently interesting
You call it "The Bible"
... and the PhDs that back your claim up? My pastor often goes back to the original context to show how the modern version is sorely lacking.

Your college educated source?

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There are numerous, scholarly articles and essays that show the "mis" translation of important words (like how young girl became virgin). You also have to look at how the books that are in the Bibgle, got in there. They were chosen because they gave a specific idea as to who they wanted Jesus to be. They ignored and later discounted texts that show him to me be more human than divine.
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Using evilbible.com does NOT count.
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Ibanez wrote:Using evilbible.com does NOT count.
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Re: Does the Universe Have a Purpose?

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Cluck U wrote:
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You sound like a fundamentalist christian... :rofl: They think the universe was built for them specifically
Nah...we all make our own worlds...and universes. Your universe reflects your thinking, so you see what you want to see. :nod:
Wait, what..?
Obviously we all make our own reality
But how we arrive at that location is critical (no..?)

The reason I'm so lenient with FLDS and backwater Muslims is how they got there
Typically a HUGE amount of brainwashing and limited outside information
I can almost completely forgive a Mormon in the middle of Nowhere Utah getting fed total bullsh!t for decades on end / The little bastard doesn't have a chance to even think on his own

But those who have walked in the light of the modern world
Seen common sense in action
understand the Scientific Method
use rational thought

Those people are gifted an opportunity very few actually have on this planet / free unencumbered thought
Once you've seen the light of common sense and experience plain old "logic"
To knowingly and willfully walk back into the Dark ages is criminal

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