Preemptive Strike: Why Romney Lost

[AZGrizFan]

You're missing a huge piece of why this won't get solved: the left depends on the dependancy of these displaced and unemployed thus it continues providing a government teet (extended unemployment benefits) that encourage them to NOT take the very jobs we're talking about while still voting donk. Trust me---cut off the flow of free gov't money and the vast majority of these people WILL take jobs to feed themselves and their families. We enable them by providing safety nets in the form of government handouts that facilitate the continuance of the issue.

Ag benefits and lobbies for it too - e.g. Reagan's interior valley farming buddies are what convinced him to provide amnesty. It's a PAIR of tits on this one Z.

Agreed.

[SDHornet]

That whole post was centered around assuming that I was indicating that those industries solely used illegal labor; and I pointed out that was not what I stated.

Please provide me a list of people willing to work Agribusiness like the mostly illegal labor that is used. Don't worry, I'll wait. Then when you make that list, you can move onto the service industries and tell me who will work those jobs (janitors, landscapers, cooks, dishwashers, etc). Again, I'll wait. Then when you make that list make one for the construction industry...I think you see where I am going with this.

Really? That post certainly implies that those industries largely employ illegal labor, wouldn't you say? My only point was that while that may be true in the sand/border states, that's not necessarily true when you get further away from the border.

Fair enough, however no doubt the Agribusiness labor is largely illegal no matter what state it is in.

[SDHornet]

Businesses that hire illegal labor are facilitating illegal immigration. Significantly penalize the companies that do that and illegal immigration would see a drastic reduction as the demand for illegal labor would decrease.

Again I never said "all", and yes I do believe a lot of these jobs found in urban areas would be filled with legal labor if welfare and other "safety nets" were scaled back. However lets not kid ourselves, those agribusiness jobs ain't getting filled by people laid off from their air conditioned, cushy 9-5 job that was in some cookie cutter office building in suburbia hell. As much as you want to turn this into a cut and dry issue, it ain't which is exactly why nothing will get done to fix this issue no matter how badly people harp about it on both sides of the aisle because the fact of the matter is those agribusinesses depend on that cheap illegal labor (as well as other industries). These aren't excuses, just the way it has been for many decades now but go ahead and spin it however you need to fit your agenda.

You're missing a huge piece of why this won't get solved: the left depends on the dependancy of these displaced and unemployed thus it continues providing a government teet (extended unemployment benefits) that encourage them to NOT take the very jobs we're talking about while still voting donk. Trust me---cut off the flow of free gov't money and the vast majority of these people WILL take jobs to feed themselves and their families. We enable them by providing safety nets in the form of government handouts that facilitate the continuance of the issue.

I agree, and I'm saying that won't get fixed to compliment any immigration reform that would hypothetically also get fixed. The immigration issue is just used as a talking point, neither side of the aisle has shown that are willing take on the endeavor of fixing the illegal immigration problem(s).