Trump 2.0: MAGAA

[BDKJMU]

Interesting monologue.

[UNI88]

It’s not just churches. He uses the concept of “public interest” as justification.

Set aside churches for a second. Incorporation is determined by state AG’s. If tax exemption or favoritism or any liabilities are predicated on public interest (like they used to be) then a bunch of long standing corporate entities no longer serve their purpose and should be dissolved.

That’s the can of worms.

I'm just questioning what we have tax exemption for anyway. What corporate entity would be eliminated if we started taxing it? Why does Harvard need a tax exemption (and again, I assume they are just exempt from property tax, but honestly don't know what else)? Why does the Catholic church need a property tax exemption? There's a difference between lots of non-profits versus say the Ivy League Universities or major league baseball or the Roman Catholic church. What are we exempting and who's getting exempted?

Here you go ...

If Trump Strips Harvard of Tax-Exempt Status, Ivy League Could Owe Nearly a Half-Billion Dollars, Including Property Taxes

At present, Harvard University pays $0 in property taxes to the city of Boston.

It is among the 1,700 colleges and universities that are tax-exempt from federal income taxes. Along with other organizations like charities and religious institutions, Harvard enjoys tax exemptions under the tax code 501(c)(3).

“To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual,” according to the IRS.

“In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.”

I would imagine that if trump proceeds then the trump foundation will be in the crosshairs for a future Democratic administration.

[Bobcat]

Its awesome

Tell the other countries you support to get rid of the tariffs and everything will be at 0.

Until then STFU

[UNI88]

Funny how BT (Before trump) you (and what used to be the right) were vociferous opponents of tariffs..

LoL talk about obsessed going back to dig up 15 year old posts.

I’ve partially evolved on the issue, and didn’t realize the threat China was to the US back in 2010.

I. Anything deemed vital to Nat Security:
-ie the majority of what the military uses
-any goods that without life as we know it in the US would cease to exist.
Should be be made in the USA. That means sourced and assembly. Going to take some years to get back to that, but it should start happening now. If it takes tariffs to help bring that about, then so be it.

II. Imports that should face tariffs:
1.From any country that puts tariffs on US goods
2.From any country that conducts unfair trade practices.
3.For items from point #1 (vital to Nat security or way of life)
Imports that shouldn’t face tariffs: Outside of above 3 points.

III. China is an economic enemy.China (all before Trump)
-Bigger trade deficit than in 2010.
-Had tariffs on US goods.
-Manipulates their currency.
-Conducts govt sanctioned economic espionage and intellectual property theft on a ginormous scale
-Allowed a virus to escape from a lab that cost our economy trillions. Those fuckers owe us.

I've been to China and I've worked with manufacturers who've opened shops there so I'm pretty aware of what China does and agree that we need to take a strong stance with them. One of the questions that needs to be asked is what will be the impact on our access to rare earths and other minerals critical to national security? Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face?

That doesn't explain the tariffs on Canada, the EU, the Heard and McDonald islands, etc. Picking a fight with them, China and Mexico is like punching your 2-3 closest allies at the same time that you get into a fight with the biggest bully on the playground. Tactically and strategically stupid.

[BDKJMU]

LoL talk about obsessed going back to dig up 15 year old posts.

I’ve partially evolved on the issue, and didn’t realize the threat China was to the US back in 2010.

I. Anything deemed vital to Nat Security:
-ie the majority of what the military uses
-any goods that without life as we know it in the US would cease to exist.
Should be be made in the USA. That means sourced and assembly. Going to take some years to get back to that, but it should start happening now. If it takes tariffs to help bring that about, then so be it.

II. Imports that should face tariffs:
1.From any country that puts tariffs on US goods
2.From any country that conducts unfair trade practices.
3.For items from point #1 (vital to Nat security or way of life)
Imports that shouldn’t face tariffs: Outside of above 3 points.

III. China is an economic enemy.China (all before Trump)
-Bigger trade deficit than in 2010.
-Had tariffs on US goods.
-Manipulates their currency.
-Conducts govt sanctioned economic espionage and intellectual property theft on a ginormous scale
-Allowed a virus to escape from a lab that cost our economy trillions. Those fuckers owe us.

I've been to China and I've worked with manufacturers who've opened shops there so I'm pretty aware of what China does and agree that we need to take a strong stance with them. One of the questions that needs to be asked is what will be the impact on our access to rare earths and other minerals critical to national security? Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face?

That doesn't explain the tariffs on Canada, the EU, the Heard and McDonald islands, etc. Picking a fight with them, China and Mexico is like punching your 2-3 closest allies at the same time that you get into a fight with the biggest bully on the playground. Tactically and strategically stupid.

Some of those rare earths/minerals we import we could get from the US, but the enviros have succeeded in blocking that. One example: The Mtn Pass Mine in CA, once the world's top supplier of rare earths, but extraction were halted due to environmental regulations.

The EU has what’s practically a 17%-20% tariff on every US made product- the VAT tax.

[UNI88]

I've been to China and I've worked with manufacturers who've opened shops there so I'm pretty aware of what China does and agree that we need to take a strong stance with them. One of the questions that needs to be asked is what will be the impact on our access to rare earths and other minerals critical to national security? Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face?

That doesn't explain the tariffs on Canada, the EU, the Heard and McDonald islands, etc. Picking a fight with them, China and Mexico is like punching your 2-3 closest allies at the same time that you get into a fight with the biggest bully on the playground. Tactically and strategically stupid.

Some of those rare earths/minerals we import we could get from the US, but the enviros have succeeded in blocking that. One example: The Mtn Pass Mine in CA, once the world's top supplier of rare earths, but extraction were halted due to environmental regulations.

The EU has what’s practically a 17%-20% tariff on every US made product- the VAT tax.

Some? We need more than some.

And Canada has lower tariffs overall than the US. And don't try to argue the fentanyl baloney. That's a canard, very little fentanyl comes through Canada.

Targeting China, the EU, Canada and Mexico at the same time is beyond stupid.

[Baldy]

Yep. They deported back to El Salvador.
-illegal immigrant from El Salvador,
-member of a terrorist organization (MS-13)
-that immigration courts twice had prior ordered deported
The district court judge can pound sand.

The thing is, no one has proven, or even tried to show in court to prove it, that he's a member of MS-13. There's been zero evidence produced to even try to prove that. That's the thing that had to happen to supersede the withholding of removal order and make it allowable to send him back to El Salvador. The government is just wrong here and should be held accountable. Whether this guy in question is a good guy or not, the government should've followed the law and due process before shipping him off, and they didn't do that.

The facts are that back in 2019 an immigration judge heard evidence in a court hearing and declared this "Maryland Man" a verified member of MS-13. His affiliation, membership, rank, and gang name were all verified in court. Even the Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed the judge's decision. This case has been due processed to death. This "Maryland Man" has been on a removal order (except to El Salvador) since that 2019 court case. The only question here is his removal to El Salvador. As more of the facts come out, it is more and more likely that his withholding from removal order is now moot anyway.

[UNI88]

The thing is, no one has proven, or even tried to show in court to prove it, that he's a member of MS-13. There's been zero evidence produced to even try to prove that. That's the thing that had to happen to supersede the withholding of removal order and make it allowable to send him back to El Salvador. The government is just wrong here and should be held accountable. Whether this guy in question is a good guy or not, the government should've followed the law and due process before shipping him off, and they didn't do that.

The facts are that back in 2019 an immigration judge heard evidence in a court hearing and declared this "Maryland Man" a verified member of MS-13. His affiliation, membership, rank, and gang name were all verified in court. Even the Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed the judge's decision. This case has been due processed to death. This "Maryland Man" has been on a removal order (except to El Salvador) since that 2019 court case. The only question here is his removal to El Salvador. As more of the facts come out, it is more and more likely that his withholding from removal order is now moot anyway.

Links with proof of the bolded (and not some memo/form from Lil marco, a disgraced LEO or similar)?

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .1.1_3.pdf

[Baldy]

The facts are that back in 2019 an immigration judge heard evidence in a court hearing and declared this "Maryland Man" a verified member of MS-13. His affiliation, membership, rank, and gang name were all verified in court. Even the Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed the judge's decision. This case has been due processed to death. This "Maryland Man" has been on a removal order (except to El Salvador) since that 2019 court case. The only question here is his removal to El Salvador. As more of the facts come out, it is more and more likely that his withholding from removal order is now moot anyway.

Links with proof of the bolded (and not some memo/form from Lil marco, a disgraced LEO or similar)?

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .1.1_3.pdf

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

[∞∞∞]

Links with proof of the bolded (and not some memo/form from Lil marco, a disgraced LEO or similar)?

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .1.1_3.pdf

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

It doesn't matter if the man is Satan himself, the primary point is there is due process. And court orders.

One day it could be me or you disappearing.

[GannonFan]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

It doesn't matter if the man is Satan himself, the primary point is there is due process. And court orders.

One day it could be me or you disappearing.

I don't get the "due process" complaint. In this case, with this guy, the real issue is that the court said very specifically that he couldn't be deported to El Salvador and then we, on purpose or not, deported him to El Salvador. That's a defiance of the judicial system by another part of the government. That's the biggest issue here for me. As for due process, this guy clearly had gone through the judicial system and they said he could be deported (again, not to El Salvador). What more due process was needed?

[Caribbean Hen]

The groundwork for the Banana Republic you boys are living in now was put in place by TDS infected Dems

Get to Florida fast because if you’re going to live in one you need the charms like balmy winter breezes that come with it

[Bobcat]

Democrats fight so hard for illegal criminals.

If they fought this hard for Americans they might have won the election.

[UNI88]

Links with proof of the bolded (and not some memo/form from Lil marco, a disgraced LEO or similar)?

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .1.1_3.pdf

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

The April and December 2019 decisions appear to have been about his bond and the redetermination of his custody status not whether he was or wasn't a gang member - APPLICATION TO VACATE THE INJUNCTION ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND.

They did find that "that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member".

It's fair to question the validity of the Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS) because that sheet reportedly relied on his clothing (Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie) and a “confidential source" who tied him to a New York gang clique despite Abrego Garcia never living there.. The officer who filed the GFIS, Ivan Mendez was later suspended and convicted for leaking confidential police information to a sex worker in 2020.

The rulings also stated that "he is not married to his fiance, and any immigration relief that he can be expected to gain from a marital relationship with her in the future is speculative." He is now married to a US citizen, should he be given the opportunity to request immigration relief based on the changed circumstances?

Bottom line - regardless of whether he should have been deported or not, he absolutely should not have been sent to El Salvador. Doing so was either a sign of incompetence, disrespect for the law or both. The "party of life" represented by the trump regime sent a man to a country they shouldn't have where his life is in danger. They own that and should be held liable for anything that happens to him.


Also not being discussed is the complete and utter hypocrisy of trump and his MAQA sycophants who whined like bitches over his indictments and convictions and now want to hold up other court proceedings as proof of the righteousness of their actions. Lawfare against me and mine is bad, lawfare against my opponents isn't just acceptable, it's righteous.

[UNI88]

It doesn't matter if the man is Satan himself, the primary point is there is due process. And court orders.

One day it could be me or you disappearing.

I don't get the "due process" complaint. In this case, with this guy, the real issue is that the court said very specifically that he couldn't be deported to El Salvador and then we, on purpose or not, deported him to El Salvador. That's a defiance of the judicial system by another part of the government. That's the biggest issue here for me. As for due process, this guy clearly had gone through the judicial system and they said he could be deported (again, not to El Salvador). What more due process was needed?

You are essentially correct on Abrego Garcia but the due process complaint is valid for a number of deportees and detainees. It's fair to ask if US citizens will be denied their due process and possibly face deportations in the future.

You've pointed out kalm's flip flop/hypocrisy on tariffs and protectionism but haven't been as vocal about trump and MAQA yahoos flip flops and hypocrisy on court rulings and other things. I'm guessing that's because it's so blatant and there is so much of it that it can be tedious to point it out.

[GannonFan]

I don't get the "due process" complaint. In this case, with this guy, the real issue is that the court said very specifically that he couldn't be deported to El Salvador and then we, on purpose or not, deported him to El Salvador. That's a defiance of the judicial system by another part of the government. That's the biggest issue here for me. As for due process, this guy clearly had gone through the judicial system and they said he could be deported (again, not to El Salvador). What more due process was needed?

You are essentially correct on Abrego Garcia but the due process complaint is valid for a number of deportees and detainees. It's fair to ask if US citizens will be denied their due process and possibly face deportations in the future.

You've pointed out kalm's flip flop/hypocrisy on tariffs and protectionism but haven't been as vocal about trump and MAQA yahoos flip flops and hypocrisy on court rulings and other things. I'm guessing that's because it's so blatant and there is so much of it that it can be tedious to point it out.

I think I'm being very vocal here - Trump's administration didn't follow the law and likely did so willingly. They ignored a valid court ruling. That's a very big issue and probably the closest thing he's done yet to ignoring the Constitution than any of the thousands of other things Dem's have accused him of outside of Jan 6th (which I said then and still hold to now that he should've been impeached, removed from office, and barred from office as a result - the GOP thought otherwise and the Dem's were happy to have it as an election issue in subsequent elections, until they weren't).

[UNI88]

You are essentially correct on Abrego Garcia but the due process complaint is valid for a number of deportees and detainees. It's fair to ask if US citizens will be denied their due process and possibly face deportations in the future.

You've pointed out kalm's flip flop/hypocrisy on tariffs and protectionism but haven't been as vocal about trump and MAQA yahoos flip flops and hypocrisy on court rulings and other things. I'm guessing that's because it's so blatant and there is so much of it that it can be tedious to point it out.

I think I'm being very vocal here - Trump's administration didn't follow the law and likely did so willingly. They ignored a valid court ruling. That's a very big issue and probably the closest thing he's done yet to ignoring the Constitution than any of the thousands of other things Dem's have accused him of outside of Jan 6th (which I said then and still hold to now that he should've been impeached, removed from office, and barred from office as a result - the GOP thought otherwise and the Dem's were happy to have it as an election issue in subsequent elections, until they weren't).

This is just the tip of a massive iceberg of trump and MAQA yahoos flip flops / hypocrisy.

My post wasn't meant to criticize you. It was to to show that while kalm has changed his position on a number of issues (some of which can be explained by a better understanding of economics, government overreach, etc.) that the positions of trump and MAQA yahoos are based on what trump wants not any core principles. His sycophants will rubber stamp anything he wants or says without any critical thinking about how they are frequently contradictory and hypocritical when compared to past positions.

[GannonFan]

I think I'm being very vocal here - Trump's administration didn't follow the law and likely did so willingly. They ignored a valid court ruling. That's a very big issue and probably the closest thing he's done yet to ignoring the Constitution than any of the thousands of other things Dem's have accused him of outside of Jan 6th (which I said then and still hold to now that he should've been impeached, removed from office, and barred from office as a result - the GOP thought otherwise and the Dem's were happy to have it as an election issue in subsequent elections, until they weren't).

This is just the tip of a massive iceberg of trump and MAQA yahoos flip flops / hypocrisy.

My post wasn't meant to criticize you. It was to to show that while kalm has changed his position on a number of issues (some of which can be explained by a better understanding of economics, government overreach, etc.) that the positions of trump and MAQA yahoos are based on what trump wants not any core principles. His sycophants will rubber stamp anything he wants or says without any critical thinking about how they are frequently contradictory and hypocritical when compared to past positions.

I've always said that we're kind of lucky, as much as Trump is detestable in many ways, the one thing he isn't is an idealogue - he really doesn't have any core principles. The next time, though, when we elect someone like Trump but with core principles, that's when the crap really hits the fan. Maybe Vance is that guy. But Trump's only consistency is narcissism, and that's not a political position.

[Bobcat]

Exactly, thats why I am not a Trump guy

[Baldy]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

The April and December 2019 decisions appear to have been about his bond and the redetermination of his custody status not whether he was or wasn't a gang member - APPLICATION TO VACATE THE INJUNCTION ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND.

They did find that "that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member".

It's fair to question the validity of the Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS) because that sheet reportedly relied on his clothing (Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie) and a “confidential source" who tied him to a New York gang clique despite Abrego Garcia never living there.. The officer who filed the GFIS, Ivan Mendez was later suspended and convicted for leaking confidential police information to a sex worker in 2020.

The rulings also stated that "he is not married to his fiance, and any immigration relief that he can be expected to gain from a marital relationship with her in the future is speculative." He is now married to a US citizen, should he be given the opportunity to request immigration relief based on the changed circumstances?

Bottom line - regardless of whether he should have been deported or not, he absolutely should not have been sent to El Salvador. Doing so was either a sign of incompetence, disrespect for the law or both. The "party of life" represented by the trump regime sent a man to a country they shouldn't have where his life is in danger. They own that and should be held liable for anything that happens to him.


Also not being discussed is the complete and utter hypocrisy of trump and his MAQA sycophants who whined like bitches over his indictments and convictions and now want to hold up other court proceedings as proof of the righteousness of their actions. Lawfare against me and mine is bad, lawfare against my opponents isn't just acceptable, it's righteous.

With all the how dare you question the court pearl clutching from you and your ilk crying about all these crazy court injunctions blah blah court orders blah blah Constitutional Crisis, and now you have a decision by a judge at an open hearing that was upheld on appeal finding that this guy was in fact a member of MS-13, but now you question the decision?

You've now come full circle, Mr. Hypocrisy.

[UNI88]

Whiny bitches continue to project their own mental health issues and hypocrisy on others rather than facing them head on like adults.

[Baldy]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Go read the original decision by the judge in April 2019 and the appeal boards affirmation in December of the same year. It's not hard to find.

It doesn't matter if the man is Satan himself, the primary point is there is due process. And court orders.

One day it could be me or you disappearing.

Sigh....this guy had multiple hearings and even appealed the court's decision. He has had a removal order sitting over his head for six years now. This dude was the posterchild for a deportable illegal alien.

[Bobcat]

Whiny bitches continue to project their own mental health issues and hypocrisy on others rather than facing them head on like adults.

Isnt that what he just posted?

[Baldy]

Whiny bitches continue to project their own mental health issues and hypocrisy on others rather than facing them head on like adults.

Indeed...

[UNI88]

Whiny bitches continue to project their own mental health issues and hypocrisy on others rather than facing them head on like adults.

Indeed...

Right back atcha ...

FTR: I don't think of you as a whiny bitch. You're quite capable of engaging in a rational debate. Others blindly lap up what trump says as gospel and get their panties in a bunch when questioned then resort to name calling and/or crying tDS.