While he's not entirely wrong about immunity, he just lacks the mental capacity to fully understand the nuances and complexities of what immunity should cover (actions directly related to the job of being President) and what it shouldn't cover (personal malfeasance). Sure, there's an argument to be made for how these get handled while a President is in office, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the guy who's the best person to be making that argument.
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Page 40-41 of the ruling.
“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, “not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance.”
“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, “not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance.”
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Unless those actions while President are illegal?GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:14 amWhile he's not entirely wrong about immunity, he just lacks the mental capacity to fully understand the nuances and complexities of what immunity should cover (actions directly related to the job of being President) and what it shouldn't cover (personal malfeasance). Sure, there's an argument to be made for how these get handled while a President is in office, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the guy who's the best person to be making that argument.
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such as: if his theory were true he'd be at Guantanamo right now for some waterboardingGannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:14 amWhile he's not entirely wrong about immunity, he just lacks the mental capacity to fully understand the nuances and complexities of what immunity should cover (actions directly related to the job of being President) and what it shouldn't cover (personal malfeasance). Sure, there's an argument to be made for how these get handled while a President is in office, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the guy who's the best person to be making that argument.
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That's the rub - we need litigation in many cases to determine legality. What if someone was adamant that sending arms to Ukraine under an executive order was illegal? They could sue for that. What if a President issues an executive order to do something at the border? Someone who's convinced that's illegal could sue the President directly for that. And drawing the line between the office and the individual holding that office isn't necessarily clear cut all the time in every instance. Like I said, Trump, with his limited mental capability and his uncontrolled ego, isn't really the best person to be guiding or pushing these questions of constitutional law.kalm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:57 amUnless those actions while President are illegal?GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:14 am
While he's not entirely wrong about immunity, he just lacks the mental capacity to fully understand the nuances and complexities of what immunity should cover (actions directly related to the job of being President) and what it shouldn't cover (personal malfeasance). Sure, there's an argument to be made for how these get handled while a President is in office, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the guy who's the best person to be making that argument.
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trump's claims of immunity have always been BS. Inflaming the crowd that stormed the Capitol on January 6, arranging for slates of fraudulent electors, and attempting to bully state officials into finding votes/not certifying results were the acts of a presidential candidate not a President. His obstructing the return of classified documents had nothing to do with his duties as President.GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:15 amThat's the rub - we need litigation in many cases to determine legality. What if someone was adamant that sending arms to Ukraine under an executive order was illegal? They could sue for that. What if a President issues an executive order to do something at the border? Someone who's convinced that's illegal could sue the President directly for that. And drawing the line between the office and the individual holding that office isn't necessarily clear cut all the time in every instance. Like I said, Trump, with his limited mental capability and his uncontrolled ego, isn't really the best person to be guiding or pushing these questions of constitutional law.
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Joey Bobo Biden takes a powder on Super Bowl interview once again. If this pathetic criminal idiot of a President had anything to say to the American people he would jump at the opportunity… Now Trump is trying to muscle in for a SB interview but the 4Th estate will never allow it
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You're butthurt because you want more politics in the Super Bowl.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:16 am Joey Bobo Biden takes a powder on Super Bowl interview once again. If this pathetic criminal idiot of a President had anything to say to the American people he would jump at the opportunity… Now Trump is trying to muscle in for a SB interview but the 4Th estate will never allow it
What a dipstick
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Could care a lesshoundawg wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:08 pmYou're butthurt because you want more politics in the Super Bowl.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:16 am Joey Bobo Biden takes a powder on Super Bowl interview once again. If this pathetic criminal idiot of a President had anything to say to the American people he would jump at the opportunity… Now Trump is trying to muscle in for a SB interview but the 4Th estate will never allow it
What a dipstick
I already told you I won’t be watching the bore fest
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He lives in your head rent free.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:24 pmCould care a less
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Rent free is a term right out of the Socialist playbookhoundawg wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:30 pmHe lives in your head rent free.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:24 pm
Could care a less
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Keep em place and make em vote Blue
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Klam's plantation is very small. Step one inch off the property, get called bad names.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pmRent free is a term right out of the Socialist playbook
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Kalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farmSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pmKlam's plantation is very small. Step one inch off the property, get called bad names.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm
Rent free is a term right out of the Socialist playbook
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I feel like you two need a big giant hug right now.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pmKalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farmSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pm
Klam's plantation is very small. Step one inch off the property, get called bad names.
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Very trueCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pmKalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farmSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pm
Klam's plantation is very small. Step one inch off the property, get called bad names.
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Bobcat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:21 pmVery trueCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pm
Kalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farm
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FYPkalm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:11 pmSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pm Klam's plantation is very small. Step one inch off the property, get called bad names.
No free thinking allowed.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pm Kalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farmI feel like you three need a kayaking trip with ol' kalm right now.
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
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.....its "couldn't", CHCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:24 pmCould care a less
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if you could care less, you would...see how that works? Follow me for more tips on how to pass for an American...
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"Straight" A student, CH, a "strait" is a narrow passage of water. Hope this helpsCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pmKalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farmSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pm
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I was referring to his sexual preference as he at least has shown he knows what a hotty is… female typehoundawg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:54 am"Straight" A student, CH, a "strait" is a narrow passage of water. Hope this helpsCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:57 pm
Kalm reminds me of the strait A student that rarely gets off the farm
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Somethig Trump will never have in an NYC (89%) or DC (93%) Biden political trial.
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