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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:54 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:27 pm Poland just said "nyet!" to Ukraine. We'll see if that means they will quit letting Poland be used as a staging area.
You're leaving out the context of why Poland was upset with Ukraine. russian blockades have prevented Ukraine from exporting grain (they're the breadbasket of Europe) so it was being shipped overland through Poland, Hungary, etc. and the European Commission temporarily eliminated all duties and quotas on Ukraine's exports. Polish farmers protested because they were worried about being undercut by low price Ukrainian grain.

Remove the russian blockade, remove the problem. Ukraine is taking steps doing that by reducing russian naval capacity.
Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:54 pm You're leaving out the context of why Poland was upset with Ukraine. russian blockades have prevented Ukraine from exporting grain (they're the breadbasket of Europe) so it was being shipped overland through Poland, Hungary, etc. and the European Commission temporarily eliminated all duties and quotas on Ukraine's exports. Polish farmers protested because they were worried about being undercut by low price Ukrainian grain.

Remove the russian blockade, remove the problem. Ukraine is taking steps doing that by reducing russian naval capacity.
Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.
This is your the vaccine will prevent the spread moment. If Poland ever provides arms to Ukraine again you will be wrong. :D


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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:18 pm I didn't say I knew more than him. I question his integrity not his knowledge. I think he intentionally presents information (and misinformation) to mislead gullible people who want to believe a certain narrative. It gets him publicity and helps sell his books.

I can find fringe sources to support alternative points of view as well ...

How Accurate is Jacques Baud’s Analysis of the War in Ukraine?
You need a new source of information.
Thank you.

You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.

You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.

You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.

You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.
:dunce: now you’re pulling shit out of your ass.


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UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:14 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Thank you.

You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.

You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.

You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.

You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.
:dunce: now you’re pulling shit out of your ass.


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Baud presented a timeline. Your rebuttal guy, who you stand behind, agreed those events happened, just in a different manner. They still happened. You back your rebuttal guy, you agree those events happened. Suddenly your Ukraine story is much different.

The disagreements were mostly numbers, not even disputing events never happened.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:12 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.
This is your the vaccine will prevent the spread moment. If Poland ever provides arms to Ukraine again you will be wrong. :D


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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:18 pm

I didn't say I knew more than him. I question his integrity not his knowledge. I think he intentionally presents information (and misinformation) to mislead gullible people who want to believe a certain narrative. It gets him publicity and helps sell his books.

I can find fringe sources to support alternative points of view as well ...

How Accurate is Jacques Baud’s Analysis of the War in Ukraine?



You need a new source of information.
Thank you.

You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.

You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.

You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.

You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.
Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pm
Thank you.

You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.

You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.

You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.

You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.
Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
He's had a couple of pitchers of kool-aid.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pm

Thank you.

You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.

You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.

You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.

You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.
Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
No. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:43 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am
Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
No. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.
I used that article because it thoroughly discredited Baud. They said he was a modern day Walter Duranty, Stalin apologist.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:25 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:43 am

No. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.
I used that article because it thoroughly discredited Baud. They said he was a modern day Walter Duranty, Stalin apologist.
No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened.

You've painted yourself into a corner.
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Russia is reporting all missiles were shot down by air defense.

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:25 am
I used that article because it thoroughly discredited Baud. They said he was a modern day Walter Duranty, Stalin apologist.
No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.

I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
FYP.

Ganny said it earlier ...
GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:59 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pm

No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.

I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
FYP.

Ganny said it earlier ...
GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:59 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pm

No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.

I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
FYP.

Ganny said it earlier ...
GannonFan wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 am Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone. :dunce:
Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.u
But you are the MAGA echo chamber

Just read what you post
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:05 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:59 pm

FYP.

Ganny said it earlier ...


Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.u
But you are the MAGA echo chamber

Just read what you post
It was glorious watching 88 use a source that confirmed what I said.
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kalm wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:28 pm Russia is reporting all missiles were shot down by air defense.

What air defense doing?

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SeattleGriz wrote:
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:05 pm But you are the MAGA echo chamber

Just read what you post
It was glorious watching 88 use a source that confirmed what I said.
Your rectum must be yuge to hold all of that shit you pull out of your ass. :D


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Skjellyfetti wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:01 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:28 pm Russia is reporting all missiles were shot down by air defense.

What air defense doing?

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Maybe they should ask the Black Sea commander?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:07 am
houndawg wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:22 am

California was Mexico until 1847. :coffee:

Thats why Garcia is the most common surname in a State of 39,000,000. :coffee:

And CA is better off for having themn.
I’m glad you agree with what I said Capt Obvious

A whitey Starbucks soy drinker like you portray yourself as, probably doesn’t know the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican anyway

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houndawg wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:49 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:07 am

I’m glad you agree with what I said Capt Obvious

A whitey Starbucks soy drinker like you portray yourself as, probably doesn’t know the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican anyway

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That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
That is just as true for people on the political right.


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I did Nazi this coming. :lol:

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:19 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:49 pm

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That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
No more than those on the right :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:28 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:19 am

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
No more than those on the right :coffee:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:01 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:28 pm

No more than those on the right :coffee:
Houndy getting bludgeoned, so he results to the, "I'm rubber, your glue, what you say ...". :ohno:
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