The Ukraine Crisis

[Skjellyfetti]

[SDHornet]

Right about securing the border, NATO needing to spend more, etc. are subjective.

But he was not right about wiretapping Trump Tower. That did not happen. It is false. He was also wrong about Russiagate if what you are talking about is the idea that people in his campaign cooperated with Russian operatives. That did happen.

He was actually not right about much. He lied constantly.

Again: The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump took over when things were going well and was able to claim credit for the sunrise. Until COVID-19. No such luck for Biden. He took over when things were in chaos.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

While I don't think there were actual physical wiretaps, Obama (FBI and DOJ) used NSA power via 702 search abuse to surveil Trump. This cannot be disputed. It is fact.

Amazing how some people don't know this well documented fact. Absolutely amazing.

[SDHornet]

Turns out a lot of this is just propaganda. GHost of kyiv is fake, old photos of the Ukraninan president inthe field in gear. "Go fuck yourself" never happened as well.

Crazy seeing propaganda ops in real time.

But hey Kazinger pushing the Sam Hyde meme though.

Yep. Fog of war.

Where did you find out it’s all a hoax?

The internet. Nothing on the internet is fake.

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

This probably had to be done, unfortunately this will push Russia right into China's arms.

Too bad Biden, through his policies, cut back on US oil production so that we couldn't step in and offer these Euro countries an alternative place to get their energy resources from.

[89Hen]

I'm too lazy to go back through this thread, has anyone posted the Tulsi clip where she talks about how Ukraine is not what they're portrayed to be here in this country? If what she says is true, it only goes to show how corrupt our media is.

Tulsi, the socialist? That Tulsi?

More trustworthy that Matt Taibbi.

[SDHornet]

[Skjellyfetti]

You were the one that posted about Ghost Of Kiev here, dumbass.

[SDHornet]

You were the one that posted about Ghost Of Kiev here, dumbass.

Yep, and I said "Badass, if true". I never pedaled it as a sure thing like you did with Trump- Russia collusion in your mega thread.

[SDHornet]

Interesting read. Good backstory on how we got here.

This is a game that Biden and key figures in his administration have been playing for a long time, beginning with the 2013-14 Obama administration-backed coup that toppled a Russia-friendly government in Kyiv. This was the so-called Maidan Revolution, a sequel of sorts to the George W. Bush-backed Orange Revolution of 2004-05. Much of that same Obama foreign policy team—Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and others—is now back in the White House and State Department working in senior posts for a president who personally ran Obama’s Ukraine policy.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news ... dly-gamble

[SDHornet]

UK's MI6 Chief going hard for the "diversity" angle. This will get the dub in Ukraine.

[Skjellyfetti]

[Pwns]

Conk gun ****s.

[93henfan]

Conk gun ****s.

Yup.

School shootings are going to be way up in Ukraine in 2023. Maybe Bloomberg can start a new grassroots effort there.

[kalm]

Tulsi, the socialist? That Tulsi?

More trustworthy that Matt Taibbi.

Because you like what she says now?

[kalm]

I just really hope Biden can fix this mess he’s created.

[kalm]

(Drops mic)

[AZGrizFan]

UK's MI6 Chief going hard for the "diversity" angle. This will get the dub in Ukraine.

Good CHRIST the shit some idiots are worrying about. This may even top Kerry’s lunacy.

[BDKJMU]

3 days late. SWIFT sanctions and sanctions on Russian energy companies should already been announced weeks ago to automatically be triggered if Russia launced a full scale invasion, and been made clear to Putin they would be the moment his forces crossed the border.

[kalm]

[Skjellyfetti]

3 days late. SWIFT sanctions and sanctions on Russian energy companies should already been announced weeks ago to automatically be triggered if Russia launced a full scale invasion, and been made clear to Putin they would be the moment his forces crossed the border.

Much more than 3 days late. Should have been done after 2014 or 2016. But yeah.

What time is Putin's CPAC speech?

[AZGrizFan]

3 days late. SWIFT sanctions and sanctions on Russian energy companies should already been announced weeks ago to automatically be triggered if Russia launced a full scale invasion, and been made clear to Putin they would be the moment his forces crossed the border.

Much more than 3 days late. Should have been done after 2014 or 2016. But yeah.

What time is Putin's CPAC speech?

Is that why he didn’t take over any territory between 2016 and 2020? He’s Trump’s bud?

[SDHornet]

Conk gun ****s.

Yup.

School shootings are going to be way up in Ukraine in 2023. Maybe Bloomberg can start a new grassroots effort there.

Funny seeing the anti-2A orgs jumping all over and supporting Ukraine's move to hand out AK's to civilians for its defense.

[SDHornet]

Much more than 3 days late. Should have been done after 2014 or 2016. But yeah.

What time is Putin's CPAC speech?

Is that why he didn’t take over any territory between 2016 and 2020? He’s Trump’s bud?

The flailing, deflection, and spin by the left regarding Biden's massive Ukraine failure is fun to watch...

..especially from someone like jelly who spent 4+ years pedaling false narratives to oust Trump who's replacement has now put some of his own family directly in harms way.

[kalm]

Yup.

School shootings are going to be way up in Ukraine in 2023. Maybe Bloomberg can start a new grassroots effort there.

Funny seeing the anti-2A orgs jumping all over and supporting Ukraine's move to hand out AK's to civilians for its defense.

Meanwhile…in Russia…