Donk Debate

[ASUG8]

One good thing about Bernie is he's gotten liberals to finally tacitly admit that the Democratic Party = Socialists

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

Who's paying for your socialism? I'm guessing you have some background with cash flow statements, the sources and uses of funds, etc.?

[CID1990]

That's still not socialism, Clit. It's cronyism

I think I'm seeing why Democrats and liberals now openly embrace Socialism whereas in the past they denied it-

In the past they knew what it was

Today, even smart liberals (like you) don't.

It would be cronyism were it a one off scenario
But its a fully mature aspect of our daily government
The free corporate money is written into programs and packages
In exactly the same way the evil socialist social programs are written in

I know we're all supposed to be terrified of "the Socialist in the white house"
The undying Republican meme

However: The tactic that does seem to be working
Is pointing at poor people and screaming look over there, there's the problem
while in plain sight billions of dollars in a hundred different ways are slid across the table



I know you won't go gently into the darkening abyss on this one - because then we're at a standstill
and evil prevails and everybody's got their hand in the pie and who's the bad guy..?

Because "Merica

That's all fine and good

But what you are describing isn't Socialism- in fact you've moved even further away from it.

If I wanted to indict republicans I would have done so- there's plenty to go with. But this thread was about the dink debate and the fact that the Demo have slid so far left that capital S Socialism is something their base now embraces

Evidenced by the way the whole field except Webb tilted hard left, while ol Bernie stayed Bernie. 4 years ago it was still a dirty word. Now it's just Feeling the Bern

[dbackjon]

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

Who's paying for your socialism? I'm guessing you have some background with cash flow statements, the sources and uses of funds, etc.?

deficit always goes down under Democrats, as it did under Clinton, and has been doing under Obama.

Taxes DO need to be raised on the wealthy - they have been waging a class warfare on the middle and lower classes, and many loopholes need to be plugged.

And of course, not spending trillions on useless wars would help, or trillions on worthless defense systems


Who pays for Republican Socialism?

[Skjellyfetti]

I think I'm seeing why Democrats and liberals now openly embrace Socialism

Time will tell before this happens to Republicans and fascism.

If Trump doesn't make it happen this presidential election cycle - it will in 2020.

[CID1990]

One good thing about Bernie is he's gotten liberals to finally tacitly admit that the Democratic Party = Socialists

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

Here's exhibit B for you, clitz

Socialism.... the lefts way of trying something that has failed miserably wherever it has been tried

Because of human nature

What do they call it when we continually try the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

I think Einstein said something about it

[ASUG8]

Who's paying for your socialism? I'm guessing you have some background with cash flow statements, the sources and uses of funds, etc.?

deficit always goes down under Democrats, as it did under Clinton, and has been doing under Obama.

Taxes DO need to be raised on the wealthy - they have been waging a class warfare on the middle and lower classes, and many loopholes need to be plugged.

And of course, not spending trillions on useless wars would help, or trillions on worthless defense systems


Who pays for Republican Socialism?

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summar ... e-tax-data" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/who- ... come-taxes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You can only hit the pinata so many times before candy stops dropping out.

[kalm]

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

Here's exhibit B for you, clitz

Socialism.... the lefts way of trying something that has failed miserably wherever it has been tried

Because of human nature

What do they call it when we continually try the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

I think Einstein said something about it

Exhibit B of Republican pejorative labeling.

Socialist policies have worked right here in the good old US of A, Bert.

We have a mixed economy like the rest of the advanced world. It's just a matter of degrees...

But Eeeeek! Socialism!!!!!!!!

[Chizzang]

It would be cronyism were it a one off scenario
But its a fully mature aspect of our daily government
The free corporate money is written into programs and packages
In exactly the same way the evil socialist social programs are written in

I know we're all supposed to be terrified of "the Socialist in the white house"
The undying Republican meme

However: The tactic that does seem to be working
Is pointing at poor people and screaming look over there, there's the problem
while in plain sight billions of dollars in a hundred different ways are slid across the table



I know you won't go gently into the darkening abyss on this one - because then we're at a standstill
and evil prevails and everybody's got their hand in the pie and who's the bad guy..?

Because "Merica

That's all fine and good

But what you are describing isn't Socialism- in fact you've moved even further away from it.

Right ^ Now you're catching on little guy...it's called Capitalism
and in its most advanced stage and mature form it is Socialism for Corporations



Thanks for playing - now back to your previously scheduled debate

[dbackjon]

Here's exhibit B for you, clitz

Socialism.... the lefts way of trying something that has failed miserably wherever it has been tried

Because of human nature

What do they call it when we continually try the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

I think Einstein said something about it

Exhibit B of Republican pejorative labeling.

Socialist policies have worked right here in the good old US of A, Bert.

We have a mixed economy like the rest of the advanced world. It's just a matter of degrees...

But Eeeeek! Socialism!!!!!!!!

And it is funny that it is all these government or government paid employees that are crying about socialism...

[Chizzang]

The idea that we've substituted Corporations for Persons is apparently "baffling" to CID
All you have to do is read this link to see it laid out
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/sites/defa ... ations.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But that's all that has happened
No - its not the "text book" definition of Capitalism - but its the version we have created

When a federal system decides its most valuable resource is large companies (not individual citizens) and substitutes the corporation for the citizen you have what we have "Socialism for Corporations"
and I'm not even sure I would argue that this isn't actually the best solution
in fact I am inclined to think it is...

Nobody wants to hear it explained like that because you come off sounding like a Marxist
But it manifests itself - this company as person substitution - in so many ways across the board

It is the America version of Capitalism

[Ivytalk]

One good thing about Bernie is he's gotten liberals to finally tacitly admit that the Democratic Party = Socialists

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

There you go again, GMA (Gay Militant Accountant).

[Ibanez]

deficit always goes down under Democrats, as it did under Clinton, and has been doing under Obama.

Taxes DO need to be raised on the wealthy - they have been waging a class warfare on the middle and lower classes, and many loopholes need to be plugged.

And of course, not spending trillions on useless wars would help, or trillions on worthless defense systems


Who pays for Republican Socialism?

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summar ... e-tax-data" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/who- ... come-taxes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You can only hit the pinata so many times before candy stops dropping out.

But those IRS sourced graphs and charts suggest something different than what Democrats are saying. That can't be right...

[Ibanez]

Our socialism is to help everyone. Republican Socialism is aimed at the 1%

There you go again, GMA (Gay Militant Accountant).

Are you sure the M doesn't stand for Mondale?