huh? source?andy7171 wrote:The kkk killed as many of my catholics as blacks.
Well they reinstated the death penalty after the school shooting a couple of months back.Cluck U wrote:Care to cite some concrete examples of how Pakistan has done a, "better" than, "terrible" job?kalm wrote:
Did I say Pakistan has done a good job? It's a powder keg for sure, but Pakistani muslims have punished radical islamists there.
Better is the word you missed.
It was before civil right and just prior to the civil war. I don't have time right now to look up stuff right now, but real quick...Skjellyfetti wrote:huh? source?andy7171 wrote:The kkk killed as many of my catholics as blacks.
i know they didn't like catholics either... but, i don't remember reading anything about a scourge of catholic lynchings.
the only white lynchings i can think of were white civil rights workers... of which... i wouldn't be surprised if there were some catholics - but, nowhere near the number of blacks.
Black on black violence doesn't count. You just don't understand.93henfan wrote:Saw a stat that black people kill more black people every 6 months than the KKK did in 86 years.
The church kept them hush hush.................Skjellyfetti wrote:huh? source?andy7171 wrote:The kkk killed as many of my catholics as blacks.
i know they didn't like catholics either... but, i don't remember reading anything about a scourge of catholic lynchings.
the only white lynchings i can think of were white civil rights workers... of which... i wouldn't be surprised if there were some catholics - but, nowhere near the number of blacks.
How progressive of them, right?Grizalltheway wrote:Well they reinstated the death penalty after the school shooting a couple of months back.Cluck U wrote:
Care to cite some concrete examples of how Pakistan has done a, "better" than, "terrible" job?
Nice red herring, but you asked what they were doing to deal with the problem of radical Islam.Cluck U wrote:How progressive of them, right?Grizalltheway wrote:
Well they reinstated the death penalty after the school shooting a couple of months back.
How many have they put to death? Are they rounding up all of the radical imams around the country?Grizalltheway wrote:Nice red herring, but you asked what they were doing to deal with the problem of radical Islam.Cluck U wrote:
How progressive of them, right?
I did, thanks. I know you like him, but the more I watch Harris the more I question his thoughts. The part about Bin Laden representing a very plausible version of the faith and yet Harris thinks moderate muslims should be the ones speaking out about this is contradictory. And that's the problem I have with the "Islam is a Religion of Peace" meme. It's a meaningless complaint unless you think we should kill them all. It's a meaningless complaint even if you also recognize the violence inherent in other religions and it leads to otherwise reasonable people like Andy contemplating that perhaps we should start the nuking.Chizzang wrote:Kalm... needs to watch this
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE[/youtube]
Care to give us the Cliff Notes version, spanos?kalm wrote:I did, thanks. I know you like him, but the more I watch Harris the more I question his thoughts. The part about Bin Laden representing a very plausible version of the faith and yet Harris thinks moderate muslims should be the ones speaking out about this is contradictory. And that's the problem I have with the "Islam is a Religion of Peace" meme. It's a meaningless complaint unless you think we should kill them all. It's a meaningless complaint even if you also recognize the violence inherent in other religions and it leads to otherwise reasonable people like Andy contemplating that perhaps we should start the nuking.Chizzang wrote:Kalm... needs to watch this
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE[/youtube]
Violent and oppressive muslim extremism is a big problem. As I mentioned in another thread, you combat it by educating the women and killing the bad guys. I would also add not dealing with extremist regimes, but we know that ain't gonna happen.
You should watch this
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVl3BJoEoAU[/youtube]
That's what you got from that?Chizzang wrote:Yeah I've watched the Cenk interview
where Cenk back pedals and embarrasses himself for the first 30 minutes...
Reza Aslan is a bald faced liar...kalm wrote:That's what you got from that?Chizzang wrote:Yeah I've watched the Cenk interview
where Cenk back pedals and embarrasses himself for the first 30 minutes...
I thought it was mostly Harris whining about being challenged.
I wasn't aware that Reza was liar.Chizzang wrote:Reza Aslan is a bald faced liar...kalm wrote:
That's what you got from that?
I thought it was mostly Harris whining about being challenged.
which ash been shown over and over and over again
I'm not talking about his opinions - I'm talking about lying
Sam Harris has never been caught in a lie - never been challenged for stretching the truth
He is the undisputed champion of NOT lying to bolster his argument
there is thousands of hours of published Harris speaking - not one lie
You can't watch 20 minutes of Reza Aslan without him exaggerating or flat out lying
The guys he debates will lie continually
even Depac Chopra (sp) has been cornered lying in the face of Harris debates
this is a huge point of departure for any debate - If I can lie and you can't - I will always win the debate
or certainly paint you in a questionable light - if I get to lie
Sam Harris does not lie (EVER)
Those defending Islam and Religion tend to lie - and sometimes frequently - its sad
Okay here's an example at 9:35 Reza lies...kalm wrote:I wasn't aware that Reza was liar.Chizzang wrote:
Reza Aslan is a bald faced liar...
which ash been shown over and over and over again
I'm not talking about his opinions - I'm talking about lying
Sam Harris has never been caught in a lie - never been challenged for stretching the truth
He is the undisputed champion of NOT lying to bolster his argument
there is thousands of hours of published Harris speaking - not one lie
You can't watch 20 minutes of Reza Aslan without him exaggerating or flat out lying
The guys he debates will lie continually
even Depac Chopra (sp) has been cornered lying in the face of Harris debates
this is a huge point of departure for any debate - If I can lie and you can't - I will always win the debate
or certainly paint you in a questionable light - if I get to lie
Sam Harris does not lie (EVER)
Those defending Islam and Religion tend to lie - and sometimes frequently - its sad
Link?
Thanks! I'll check it out when I have more time.Chizzang wrote:At 12:30 He lies again...
Frankly Reza should be ashamed - but he's not - He's like Joe on this forum
Norway Islamic Leader: ‘Every Muslim’ Wants ‘Death Penalty for Homosexuals'
cnsnews.com ^ | Michael W. Chapman
Fahad Qureshi, who founded Islam Net and is considered an Islamic leader in Norway, told a large group of Sunni Muslims that, contrary to media claims that it is only “radicals” and “extremists” who support barbaric punishments for those who violate sharia, regular Muslims support such things, including the “death penalty for homosexuals” and “stoning for adultery.”
Fahad Qureshi, who founded Islam Net and is considered an Islamic leader in Norway, told a large group of Sunni Muslims that, contrary to media claims that it is only “radicals” and “extremists” who support barbaric punishments for those who violate sharia, regular Muslims support such things, including the “death penalty for homosexuals” and “stoning for adultery.”
"Every now and then, every time we have a conference, every time we invite a speaker, they [the media] always come with the same accusations: This speaker supports the death penalty for homosexuals, this speaker supports the death penalty for this crime or this crime or that he is homophobic, that he subjugates women, etcetera,” said Qureshi in a video posted by the Middle East Memory Research Institute (MEMRI).
"We always try to tell them,” he continued, “I always try to tell them that it is not that speaker that we are inviting who has these 'extreme radical views,' as you say. These are general views that every Muslim actually has.”
“Every Muslim believes in these things,” said Qureshi at the Nov. 7, 2013 conference. “Just because they are not telling you about it, or just because they are not out there in the media, doesn't mean that they don't believe in them.”
Qureshi then asked the attendees to raise their hands if they agreed with certain points about Islam and the Quran.
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93henfan wrote:Saw a stat that black people kill more black people every 6 months than the KKK did in 86 years.
