Blue Wave 2018

[Chizzang]

One more comment...I guess you might could place the blame on the advent of highly-partisan internet news sites and blogs (which really started to take off in the early Bush years when internet access in homes started to become really common). The internet arguably gave life to the "birther" conspiracy that it wouldn't have really got otherwise.

Either way, I'm not going to relent on my position that the Bush years was when the downward spiral started without something better than what I've got here so far.

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

in 1967 in Oakland Police officers beat protesters with billy clubs
Gov. Ronald Reagan commended the officers for beating down any dissent

We had a National Draft (successfully avoided by the likes of Dick Cheney and Donald Trump)
The disdain for the draft was beyond anything we'll see today in America

Somehow the draft process excluded wealthy males of fighting age
and mysteriously randomly targeted the poor and middle class

[AZGrizFan]

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

[kalm]

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

For squares....

[Chizzang]

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

Yup...
Today's "Pissing Match" isn't even close by comparison


Next...

[93henfan]

Yep, when LBJ gave the coloreds their rights, all hell broke loose. Then throw in a nice stalemate war and some fun assassinations and police beat downs on live TV...

...made for some excellent music at least.

[Gil Dobie]

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

Some of the best times of my life in small town ND. But I remember the war and the riots on TV. You could probably include all of the 1960's with the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon, all 3 escalating the war. Small towns around the area, doubled and tripled in size due to the ICBM missile bases being built.

[Chizzang]

Yep, when LBJ gave the coloreds their rights, all hell broke loose. Then throw in a nice stalemate war and some fun assassinations and police beat downs on live TV...

...made for some excellent music at least.

Imagine if a Governor encouraged the local police force to beat protesters today...
Just give that a moments consideration, because in the late 60's early 70's that was happening

[JohnStOnge]

Do we know the anti-Trump crowd is larger? Neither candidate had over 50% of the vote. I'm anti-Trump and Anti-Clinton, but the 2016 election was almost 2 years ago. Looking to see who slithers to the top for the next election.

Yes I think it's reasonable to conclude that the anti Trump crowd is larger than the pro Trump crowd. If you go back to the 2016 election the bottom line is that the majority of the people voted for someone other than Trump. Again: This is a person who got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did in 2012. Also by the RealClearPolitics average on election day he was viewed favorably by 37.5 percent vs. 58.5 percent viewing him unfavorably. This is not a "choice of the People" type of person.

As I type now the RealClearPolitics average for his job approval has 52.7 percent disapproving vs. 43.3 percent approving. The RealClearPolitics average for favorability has 55.2 percent viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2 percent viewing him favorably.

I think that any reasonable assessment leads to the conclusion that the anti Trump crowd is bigger overall than the pro Trump crowd is right now.

[Ivytalk]

Do we know the anti-Trump crowd is larger? Neither candidate had over 50% of the vote. I'm anti-Trump and Anti-Clinton, but the 2016 election was almost 2 years ago. Looking to see who slithers to the top for the next election.

Yes I think it's reasonable to conclude that the anti Trump crowd is larger than the pro Trump crowd. If you go back to the 2016 election the bottom line is that the majority of the people voted for someone other than Trump. Again: This is a person who got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did in 2012. Also by the RealClearPolitics average on election day he was viewed favorably by 37.5 percent vs. 58.5 percent viewing him unfavorably. This is not a "choice of the People" type of person.

As I type now the RealClearPolitics average for his job approval has 52.7 percent approving vs. 43.3 percent disapproving. The RealClearPolitics average for favorability has 55.2 percent viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2 percent viewing him favorably.

I think that any reasonable assessment leads to the conclusion that the anti Trump crowd is bigger overall than the pro Trump crowd is right now.

You just contradicted yourself, Mr. PewRasmussen McGallup. Re-read your second paragraph. Drumpf would be re-elected if the election were held today. The Donks are shitting themselves faster than an old geezer who just ate a box of prunes.

[JohnStOnge]

Yes I think it's reasonable to conclude that the anti Trump crowd is larger than the pro Trump crowd. If you go back to the 2016 election the bottom line is that the majority of the people voted for someone other than Trump. Again: This is a person who got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did in 2012. Also by the RealClearPolitics average on election day he was viewed favorably by 37.5 percent vs. 58.5 percent viewing him unfavorably. This is not a "choice of the People" type of person.

As I type now the RealClearPolitics average for his job approval has 52.7 percent approving vs. 43.3 percent disapproving. The RealClearPolitics average for favorability has 55.2 percent viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2 percent viewing him favorably.

I think that any reasonable assessment leads to the conclusion that the anti Trump crowd is bigger overall than the pro Trump crowd is right now.

You just contradicted yourself, Mr. PewRasmussen McGallup. Re-read your second paragraph. Drumpf would be re-elected if the election were held today. The Donks are shitting themselves faster than an old geezer who just ate a box of prunes.

Yes I had a typo and described the numbers in backwards fashion. As I was typing then it was 52.7 percent DISapproving and 43.3 percent approving. As I type now it's 52.6 percent DISapproving vs. 43.4 percent approving.
He's underwater.

But he was underwater when he got elected. Most people did not approve of him and the other major party candidate got more votes.

He's not the choice of "the People." He is not favored by the majority of "the People." But he's President. It is what it is.

[CID1990]

Dems are down to a one point lead on the generic congressional ballot in some polls. Even CNN is reporting a tightening poll

[AZGrizFan]

You just contradicted yourself, Mr. PewRasmussen McGallup. Re-read your second paragraph. Drumpf would be re-elected if the election were held today. The Donks are shitting themselves faster than an old geezer who just ate a box of prunes.

Yes I had a typo and described the numbers in backwards fashion. As I was typing then it was 52.7 percent DISapproving and 43.3 percent approving. As I type now it's 52.6 percent DISapproving vs. 43.4 percent approving.
He's underwater.

But he was underwater when he got elected. Most people did not approve of him and the other major party candidate got more votes.

He's not the choice of "the People." He is not favored by the majority of "the People." But he's President. It is what it is.

No, he’s the choice of the majority of the STATES. A simple concept you continually fail to grasp.

[SDHornet]

Dems are down to a one point lead on the generic congressional ballot in some polls. Even CNN is reporting a tightening poll

That's nothing, this is what D's should be shitting their pants about:

While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/bla ... democrats/

A couple percentage point ticks in favor in Trump by team black (or Brown) and Trump will have 2020 all locked up.

[CID1990]

Dems are down to a one point lead on the generic congressional ballot in some polls. Even CNN is reporting a tightening poll

That's nothing, this is what D's should be shitting their pants about:

While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/bla ... democrats/

A couple percentage point ticks in favor in Trump by team black (or Brown) and Trump will have 2020 all locked up.

But JSO said demographics....


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[houndawg]

Dems are down to a one point lead on the generic congressional ballot in some polls. Even CNN is reporting a tightening poll

Translation: Houndawg was right again about this election not being beyond the ability of the donks to fuck up.

[houndawg]

in 1970 during the Vietnam war...
The division of this nation was more severe than it is today

I know that was almost 50 years ago and easy to forget for some and not well rendered by our history books
Because we were so ashamed of ourselves as a Nation
But the hatred was so intense it was dangerous (very dangerous)

What we have today is a pissing match
What we had then was chaotic civil unrest and a severely destabilized citizenry

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

That's my teen-age years you're talking about, son....turned 13 in July '67 and 19 in '73 (when the draft expired). Two hours from San Francisco in the Sierra foothills was about as fine a place to be in those years as there was on the planet. Worst of times my ass, what kind of loser were you? This is when $3 would buy a ticket to Winterland to see Ten Years After with Jefferson Airplane opening AND a hit of Owsley's acid to see them with, if you could manage shake free of all the leggy blonde hippie chicks trying to drag you off to the weeds to fuck. Not to mention Bob Dylan and the music scene that is still one of our nation's cultural high-water marks.

[houndawg]

Yep, when LBJ gave the coloreds their rights, all hell broke loose. Then throw in a nice stalemate war and some fun assassinations and police beat downs on live TV...

...made for some excellent music at least.

Imagine if a Governor encouraged the local police force to beat protesters today...
Just give that a moments consideration, because in the late 60's early 70's that was happening

That's what those beer-bottle-full-of-gasoline thingys are for

[kalm]

Dems are down to a one point lead on the generic congressional ballot in some polls. Even CNN is reporting a tightening poll

Translation: Houndawg was right again about this election not being beyond the ability of the donks to fuck up.

[JohnStOnge]

Yes I had a typo and described the numbers in backwards fashion. As I was typing then it was 52.7 percent DISapproving and 43.3 percent approving. As I type now it's 52.6 percent DISapproving vs. 43.4 percent approving.
He's underwater.

But he was underwater when he got elected. Most people did not approve of him and the other major party candidate got more votes.

He's not the choice of "the People." He is not favored by the majority of "the People." But he's President. It is what it is.

No, he’s the choice of the majority of the STATES. A simple concept you continually fail to grasp.

I grasp the Electoral College system concept and I've read defenses of it numerous times. I think it is an obsolete system and I think that the one official of the national government that represents all of the people should be elected by a vote of all the people. I think that the structure of the Senate adequately protects the interests of smaller States.

In any case I don't dispute the fact that Trump won according to the system in place. That doesn't change the fact that it's very reasonable to believe the anti Trump crowd, overall, is bigger than the pro Trump crowd. At the very least there is pretty direct evidence that more people view him unfavorably than view him favorably right now. As I type this one his RealClearPolitics averages are 55.2% viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2% viewing him favorably. The lowest unfavorable percentage among the six polls they have up right now is 53% and the highest favorable percentage is 45% (same poll; CNN).

Meanwhile the RealClearPolitics averages on whether or not people thinking the country is going in the right direction as I type this are 53% thinking the country is on the wrong track vs. 38.8% thinking it's going in the right direction.

The idea that there is this groundswell of popular support for Trump among the population at large and this massive popular embrace of what he's doing is nonsense. The situation could change quickly. That's how things go sometimes. But right now that's the situation.

Let's just hope the Democrats can take at least one House of Congress so that we can have a Congress that will be motivated to expose problems with Trump instead of having one that is devoted to protecting and covering up for him. Right now I'm not too optimistic about that happening but I haven't given up hope either.

[AZGrizFan]

'67-'73 was some of the worst times in this country's history.

That's my teen-age years you're talking about, son....turned 13 in July '67 and 19 in '73 (when the draft expired). Two hours from San Francisco in the Sierra foothills was about as fine a place to be in those years as there was on the planet. Worst of times my ass, what kind of loser were you? This is when $3 would buy a ticket to Winterland to see Ten Years After with Jefferson Airplane opening AND a hit of Owsley's acid to see them with, if you could manage shake free of all the leggy blonde hippie chicks trying to drag you off to the weeds to fuck. Not to mention Bob Dylan and the music scene that is still one of our nation's cultural high-water marks.

THat’s called ‘anecdotal evidence’. Look it up.

[AZGrizFan]

No, he’s the choice of the majority of the STATES. A simple concept you continually fail to grasp.

I grasp the Electoral College system concept and I've read defenses of it numerous times. I think it is an obsolete system and I think that the one official of the national government that represents all of the people should be elected by a vote of all the people. I think that the structure of the Senate adequately protects the interests of smaller States.

In any case I don't dispute the fact that Trump won according to the system in place. That doesn't change the fact that it's very reasonable to believe the anti Trump crowd, overall, is bigger than the pro Trump crowd. At the very least there is pretty direct evidence that more people view him unfavorably than view him favorably right now. As I type this one his RealClearPolitics averages are 55.2% viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2% viewing him favorably. The lowest unfavorable percentage among the six polls they have up right now is 53% and the highest favorable percentage is 45% (same poll; CNN).

Meanwhile the RealClearPolitics averages on whether or not people thinking the country is going in the right direction as I type this are 53% thinking the country is on the wrong track vs. 38.8% thinking it's going in the right direction.

The idea that there is this groundswell of popular support for Trump among the population at large and this massive popular embrace of what he's doing is nonsense. The situation could change quickly. That's how things go sometimes. But right now that's the situation.

Let's just hope the Democrats can take at least one House of Congress so that we can have a Congress that will be motivated to expose problems with Trump instead of having one that is devoted to protecting and covering up for him. Right now I'm not too optimistic about that happening but I haven't given up hope either.

There only needs to be a “groundswell” of support amongst those that actually VOTE. And when you call normally ambivalent people “deplorables” and cast multiple dispersions on them, they get off their old, fat, midwestern asses and come out and vote. It doesn’t matter what the “popular embrace” says....

[kalm]

I grasp the Electoral College system concept and I've read defenses of it numerous times. I think it is an obsolete system and I think that the one official of the national government that represents all of the people should be elected by a vote of all the people. I think that the structure of the Senate adequately protects the interests of smaller States.

In any case I don't dispute the fact that Trump won according to the system in place. That doesn't change the fact that it's very reasonable to believe the anti Trump crowd, overall, is bigger than the pro Trump crowd. At the very least there is pretty direct evidence that more people view him unfavorably than view him favorably right now. As I type this one his RealClearPolitics averages are 55.2% viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2% viewing him favorably. The lowest unfavorable percentage among the six polls they have up right now is 53% and the highest favorable percentage is 45% (same poll; CNN).

Meanwhile the RealClearPolitics averages on whether or not people thinking the country is going in the right direction as I type this are 53% thinking the country is on the wrong track vs. 38.8% thinking it's going in the right direction.

The idea that there is this groundswell of popular support for Trump among the population at large and this massive popular embrace of what he's doing is nonsense. The situation could change quickly. That's how things go sometimes. But right now that's the situation.

Let's just hope the Democrats can take at least one House of Congress so that we can have a Congress that will be motivated to expose problems with Trump instead of having one that is devoted to protecting and covering up for him. Right now I'm not too optimistic about that happening but I haven't given up hope either.

There only needs to be a “groundswell” of support amongst those that actually VOTE. And when you call normally ambivalent people “deplorables” and cast multiple dispersions on them, they get off their old, fat, midwestern asses and come out and vote. It doesn’t matter what the “popular embrace” says....

The comment didn’t help but considering she was talking about the percentage of Trump suppirters who would never like her there was some truth to it. Lesson learned: “fat, old, midwestern asses” need safe spaces too and don’t ignore the rust belt.

[CID1990]

Yes I think it's reasonable to conclude that the anti Trump crowd is larger than the pro Trump crowd. If you go back to the 2016 election the bottom line is that the majority of the people voted for someone other than Trump. Again: This is a person who got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did in 2012. Also by the RealClearPolitics average on election day he was viewed favorably by 37.5 percent vs. 58.5 percent viewing him unfavorably. This is not a "choice of the People" type of person.

As I type now the RealClearPolitics average for his job approval has 52.7 percent approving vs. 43.3 percent disapproving. The RealClearPolitics average for favorability has 55.2 percent viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2 percent viewing him favorably.

I think that any reasonable assessment leads to the conclusion that the anti Trump crowd is bigger overall than the pro Trump crowd is right now.

You just contradicted yourself, Mr. PewRasmussen McGallup. Re-read your second paragraph. Drumpf would be re-elected if the election were held today. The Donks are shitting themselves faster than an old geezer who just ate a box of prunes.

I never would have caught that

Because I stopped reading JSO’s posts a long time ago

[HI54UNI]

Yes I think it's reasonable to conclude that the anti Trump crowd is larger than the pro Trump crowd. If you go back to the 2016 election the bottom line is that the majority of the people voted for someone other than Trump. Again: This is a person who got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did in 2012. Also by the RealClearPolitics average on election day he was viewed favorably by 37.5 percent vs. 58.5 percent viewing him unfavorably. This is not a "choice of the People" type of person.

As I type now the RealClearPolitics average for his job approval has 52.7 percent approving vs. 43.3 percent disapproving. The RealClearPolitics average for favorability has 55.2 percent viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2 percent viewing him favorably.

I think that any reasonable assessment leads to the conclusion that the anti Trump crowd is bigger overall than the pro Trump crowd is right now.

You just contradicted yourself, Mr. PewRasmussen McGallup. Re-read your second paragraph. Drumpf would be re-elected if the election were held today. The Donks are shitting themselves faster than an old geezer who just ate a box of prunes.

Someone actually reads JSO's posts?

[houndawg]

I grasp the Electoral College system concept and I've read defenses of it numerous times. I think it is an obsolete system and I think that the one official of the national government that represents all of the people should be elected by a vote of all the people. I think that the structure of the Senate adequately protects the interests of smaller States.

In any case I don't dispute the fact that Trump won according to the system in place. That doesn't change the fact that it's very reasonable to believe the anti Trump crowd, overall, is bigger than the pro Trump crowd. At the very least there is pretty direct evidence that more people view him unfavorably than view him favorably right now. As I type this one his RealClearPolitics averages are 55.2% viewing him unfavorably vs. 41.2% viewing him favorably. The lowest unfavorable percentage among the six polls they have up right now is 53% and the highest favorable percentage is 45% (same poll; CNN).

Meanwhile the RealClearPolitics averages on whether or not people thinking the country is going in the right direction as I type this are 53% thinking the country is on the wrong track vs. 38.8% thinking it's going in the right direction.

The idea that there is this groundswell of popular support for Trump among the population at large and this massive popular embrace of what he's doing is nonsense. The situation could change quickly. That's how things go sometimes. But right now that's the situation.

Let's just hope the Democrats can take at least one House of Congress so that we can have a Congress that will be motivated to expose problems with Trump instead of having one that is devoted to protecting and covering up for him. Right now I'm not too optimistic about that happening but I haven't given up hope either.

There only needs to be a “groundswell” of support amongst those that actually VOTE. And when you call normally ambivalent people “deplorables” and cast multiple dispersions on them, they get off their old, fat, midwestern asses and come out and vote. It doesn’t matter what the “popular embrace” says....

*aspersions.