Kim Davis Jailed for refusing to obey the law

[Grizalltheway]

Well. The United States now has a political prisoner.

Nope. You don't have to like the law, but if you aren't going to follow it, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences.

[JohnStOnge]

Well. The United States now has a political prisoner.

Nope. You don't have to like the law, but if you aren't going to follow it, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences.

What you're calling "the law" here is a very interesting area. It's the power of a Judge to jail someone without trial or due process. I never have liked it. Think it's totally inconsistent with the idea that we're supposed to have a right to trial and a jury of our peers and all that. There's now due process here. There's just a government official throwing someone in jail for not doing what he said to do. And it's indefinite. It's one area of the United States legal system that's always been very bad.

And yes it's a political prisoner. It's not "the law." It's Judicial edict. That's what the whole thing about forcing States to recognize homosexual marriage is. The idea that States are really required to do that by the Constitution is a joke. It's purely political. Philosophical.

And she's a political prisoner.

[JohnStOnge]

And BTW there are political prisoners all over the world who are imprisoned because they violated "the law" in the countries in which they reside. The fact that someone is in prison for violating "the law" does not mean they are not a political prisoner.

What's said is that we have gotten to the point in the United States where "the law" is corrupted by the Judiciary so that now we have a political prisoner of our own.

[dbackjon]

Well. The United States now has a political prisoner.

Lol - not even close.

[andy7171]

JFC! All she has to do is her job.

[Grizalltheway]

Nope. You don't have to like the law, but if you aren't going to follow it, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences.

What you're calling "the law" here is a very interesting area. It's the power of a Judge to jail someone without trial or due process. I never have liked it. Think it's totally inconsistent with the idea that we're supposed to have a right to trial and a jury of our peers and all that. There's now due process here. There's just a government official throwing someone in jail for not doing what he said to do. And it's indefinite. It's one area of the United States legal system that's always been very bad.

And yes it's a political prisoner. It's not "the law." It's Judicial edict. That's what the whole thing about forcing States to recognize homosexual marriage is. The idea that States are really required to do that by the Constitution is a joke. It's purely political. Philosophical.

And she's a political prisoner.

She was jailed, not imprisoned. You might wanna learn to difference before you start pontificating.

[kalm]

Nope. You don't have to like the law, but if you aren't going to follow it, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences.

What you're calling "the law" here is a very interesting area. It's the power of a Judge to jail someone without trial or due process. I never have liked it. Think it's totally inconsistent with the idea that we're supposed to have a right to trial and a jury of our peers and all that. There's now due process here. There's just a government official throwing someone in jail for not doing what he said to do. And it's indefinite. It's one area of the United States legal system that's always been very bad.

And yes it's a political prisoner. It's not "the law." It's Judicial edict. That's what the whole thing about forcing States to recognize homosexual marriage is. The idea that States are really required to do that by the Constitution is a joke. It's purely political. Philosophical.

And she's a political prisoner.

Anwar al Awlaki is rolling over in his grave (what's left of him) at your lazy lack of interest.

[JohnStOnge]

The Judge obviously made political calculations. He did not want to fine her because he knew she'd be financially supported. He did not want that to turn into a thing. You guys may not want to admit it but the woman is a political prisoner. She's in prison for political reasons. You cannot isolate "the law" from politics and philosophy.

You know if someone in Korea says the Beloved Leader is a dick they are thrown in jail for violating the law. And they are a political prisoner.

This woman is a political prisoner in the United States. We have come to that.

What we really need in this country is to have the other branches of government muster the guts to slap the Judiciary back into its proper role.

[Chizzang]

John saying something over and over again helps me understand better...
So you're saying what exactly - that she's a Political Prisoner - did I get that right..?



Oh... and
Both parties involved (her and the Judge) have made calculated decisions
and I've spent the night in jail without "due process" before as well

[kalm]

The Judge obviously made political calculations. He did not want to fine her because he knew she'd be financially supported. He did not want that to turn into a thing. You guys may not want to admit it but the woman is a political prisoner. She's in prison for political reasons. You cannot isolate "the law" from politics and philosophy.

You know if someone in Korea says the Beloved Leader is a dick they are thrown in jail for violating the law. And they are a political prisoner.

This woman is a political prisoner in the United States. We have come to that.

What we really need in this country is to have the other branches of government muster the guts to slap the Judiciary back into its proper role.

Well then, we have millions of political prisoners in jail due to the war on drugs. Drugs are bad so lock them up...it looks good on your resume. Why aren't you championing they're cause?

[CID1990]

I'm glad to see that we're back to enforcing the law in this country! This is definitely a good start

I'm also glad to see that Jon, et al are for law and order again.

I expect to see mayors and councilmen in sanctuary cities jailed, Hillary Clinton jailed, DC bureaucrats refusing to issue concealed carry permits - jailed.

Because we are a nation of laws, right?

[bluehenbillk]

I do agree 100% that Davis was in the wrong and deserved a punishment and/or removal from her position.

However, when we talk about laws & political prisoners, let's try not to sound like hypocrites when we judge say a country like Iran for jailing people, Americans or not, for breaking their laws.

[Ibanez]

Well. The United States now has a political prisoner.

What? Even you can't spin her bullshit argument. She's not a private individual denying someone's civil rights and breaking the law. She's an elected official. Seriously, how can you spin this?

[Ibanez]

You know if someone in Korea says the Beloved Leader is a dick they are thrown in jail for violating the law. And they are a political prisoner.

Obama is a dick. I will not be jailed for this.

Failing to uphold the law and violating someones civil rights ( Gay and Straight) because I don't agree with the law. That will get you thrown in jail. Especially, when you been told to comply. Contempt of court. Deal with it.

[Chizzang]

I'm glad to see that we're back to enforcing the law in this country! This is definitely a good start

I'm also glad to see that Jon, et al are for law and order again.

I expect to see mayors and councilmen in sanctuary cities jailed, Hillary Clinton jailed, DC bureaucrats refusing to issue concealed carry permits - jailed.

Because we are a nation of laws, right?

You do realize that she did this entire stunt to get rich...
Apparently a few who know her are very familiar with her ethics and "morality"
and this entire thing is going EXACTLY as planned

She'll be damn near a millionaire in 6 months and an America Hero
and it has NOTHING to do with Religion (as she's already proven that)

She's smarter than I gave her credit for - actually its kinda brilliant
Guys like AlphaGgiz and John will be donating to her Fundme page for years to come

She wins

[CID1990]

I'm glad to see that we're back to enforcing the law in this country! This is definitely a good start

I'm also glad to see that Jon, et al are for law and order again.

I expect to see mayors and councilmen in sanctuary cities jailed, Hillary Clinton jailed, DC bureaucrats refusing to issue concealed carry permits - jailed.

Because we are a nation of laws, right?

You do realize that she did this entire stunt to get rich...
Apparently a few who know her are very familiar with her ethics and "morality"
and this entire thing is going EXACTLY as planned

She'll be damn near a millionaire in 6 months and an America Hero
and it has NOTHING to do with Religion (as she's already proven that)

She's smarter than I gave her credit for - actually its kinda brilliant
Guys like AlphaGgiz and John will be donating to her Fundme page for years to come

She wins

I dont support her position at all - quite the opposite

(in case you didnt read my other posts)

Im just amused that nobody gives a damn about the rule of law in this country unless its their own ox getting gored

[Chizzang]

You do realize that she did this entire stunt to get rich...
Apparently a few who know her are very familiar with her ethics and "morality"
and this entire thing is going EXACTLY as planned

She'll be damn near a millionaire in 6 months and an America Hero
and it has NOTHING to do with Religion (as she's already proven that)

She's smarter than I gave her credit for - actually its kinda brilliant
Guys like AlphaGgiz and John will be donating to her Fundme page for years to come

She wins

I dont support her position at all - quite the opposite

(in case you didnt read my other posts)

Im just amused that nobody gives a damn about the rule of law in this country unless its their own ox getting gored

Indeed, That is why we are a Republic, not a Democracy...
The mob never cares about the Rule of Law
and never has



History 101 should not be news to you...
I'm simply pointing out she's smarter than the entire Republican presidential wanna-bee's
They all took the bait HOOK LINE AND SINKER

[CID1990]

I dont support her position at all - quite the opposite

(in case you didnt read my other posts)

Im just amused that nobody gives a damn about the rule of law in this country unless its their own ox getting gored

Indeed, That is why we are a Republic, not a Democracy...
The mob never cares about the Rule of Law
and never has



History 101 should not be news to you...
I'm simply pointing out she's smarter than the entire Republican presidential wanna-bee's
They all took the bait HOOK LINE AND SINKER

I havent followed the gop candidates' reactions to this

i do know Lindsey Graham said he would have preferred she had not been sent to jail, but that she's wrong in not following the rules

[JohnStOnge]

From the on line Websters Thesaurus for the word "imprison:"

Synonyms commit, confine, immure, incarcerate, intern, jail, jug, lock (up)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/imprison" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Underline added for emphasis. You don't have to be in a facility labeled as a "prison" to be imprisoned.

[Grizalltheway]

From the on line Websters Thesaurus for the word "imprison:"

Synonyms commit, confine, immure, incarcerate, intern, jail, jug, lock (up)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/imprison" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Underline added for emphasis. You don't have to be in a facility labeled as a "prison" to be imprisoned.

Okay, then people are "imprisoned" every day without having a trial.

[JohnStOnge]

Im just amused that nobody gives a damn about the rule of law in this country unless its their own ox getting gored

What we have in this country now not the rule of law. It's the rule of judges. I chuckle when I hear people say that we are a country of laws and not of men. That's a complete joke because we have "men" who can say the law says whatever they want it to say. And they do. I say "men" to include women who are judges and particularly people on the United State Supreme Court. The Law...as in what is legislated, what was established through the original Constitution and the subsequent Amendments...does NOT rule. The Judges control the Law and the Constitution rather than the Law and the Constitution controlling the Judges. And I don't see how anybody can even argue otherwise with a straight face.

This is not a "rule of Law" country.

[JohnStOnge]

Okay, then people are "imprisoned" every day without having a trial.

Yes but in most cases they have a right to due process so that they can eventually try to get out. If you're arrested for burglary you probably go to jail. But even if you can't or don't try to make bail the end game is that you have a right to a trial at some point. That's not what happens with Contempt of Court. With Contempt of Court a judge just decides he's going to jail you, imprison you, or whatever word you like. Then you're there indefinitely with no right of due process at all. A judge can put you in jail because he doesn't like the outfit you're wearing in the court room if he wants.

Just one more area in which we give Judges way too much respect and power. It's this little group in society we treat as though they're some kind of royalty; especially on the Federal level where there is absolutely zero accountability.

[JohnStOnge]

This is nothing new for me, BTW, I was writing editorials about the inordinate power allowed Federal Judges in the McNeese Contraband (school newspaper) roughly 35 years ago. Writing about how they were totally out of control, how they made no pretense of actually sticking to the Law and the Constitution, how they essentially constitute an oligarchy.

Amazing to me that people who ostensibly believe in the right of people to representative government and accountable government tolerate what the institution of the Judiciary has become and have tolerated it for a long time.

To me the situation is summed up by this famous Justice Charles Evans Hughes quote:

We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.

That is a totally intolerable situation. It is the tail wagging the dog. Bass akwards. The Constitution should determine what the Judges say rather than the Judges determining what the Constitution says. And that's not what we have.

[Jjoey52]

The first amendment granting freedom of religion is now dead, killed by 5 rogue justices.

[Chizzang]

The first amendment granting freedom of religion is now dead, killed by 5 rogue justices.

Please explain how Freedom of Religion is now dead exactly..?



If some vegan County Clerk in Vermont decided to NOT issue hunting licenses to legitimate citizens on the grounds that it was against his Religion I wonder how you'd feel - don't tell me - I know already