Tesla vs. Ford...

[expandspanos]

Weird how nobody posted any porno pics on this entire thread...

[Ibanez]

Because this thread doesn't involve fanatical theories of NWOs.

[expandspanos]

Because this thread doesn't involve fanatical theories of NWOs.

Every "theory" is provable.. you think our elite and politicians going and worshiping the giant owl at Bohemian Grove is some fantasy, right?

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't think anyone is denying Bohemian Grove exists.

What people don't see is any evidence of some grand conspiracy associated with it.

This is the way conspiracy theories are built... and, why they hook dumbasses like you. They are built on foundations of truth and facts... but, then take GIGANTIC leaps that do not use facts.

[kalm]

I would have no issue with porno pics being posted on this thread.

[clenz]

Weird how nobody posted any porno pics on this entire thread...

Also weird that it seems to have actual discussion workout 50 hours of YouTube videos that are complete dog shit. Strange that is full of, mostly, reasonable discussion. The photos posted are not doctored, are not a lame attempt at some bullshit theory. Etc...


Your threads are none of those things. You offer no rational discussion. You offer no real, undoctored, information /pictures /videos. You offer nothing. Then when you get called in it you run away like a pussy.

[AZGrizFan]

Weird how nobody posted any porno pics on this entire thread...

You want to believe we didn't land on the moon? Fine. 9/11 was an inside job? OK....possibly. Kennedy was killed by more than one assassin? Plausable. But when EVERY killing, EVERY school shooting, EVERY bombing, every 'secret society" is a government conspiracy to take over the world, THAT'S when people tune out. Try taking a step back, look at your book of posts from an objective position , and see yourself for the way OTHERS see you.

It ain't pretty.

[Ibanez]

Because this thread doesn't involve fanatical theories of NWOs.

Every "theory" is provable.. you think our elite and politicians going and worshiping the giant owl at Bohemian Grove is some fantasy, right?

Provable, maybe. Indicative of a global plot bent on world domination? unlikely.

[Ibanez]

Weird how nobody posted any porno pics on this entire thread...

You want to believe we didn't land on the moon? Fine. 9/11 was an inside job? OK....possibly. Kennedy was killed by more than one assassin? Plausable. But when EVERY killing, EVERY school shooting, EVERY bombing, every 'secret society" is a government conspiracy to take over the world, THAT'S when people tune out. Try taking a step back, look at your book of posts from an objective position , and see yourself for the way OTHERS see you.

It ain't pretty.

Haven't you heard? George H.W. Bush is responsible for Kennedy's death.

[houndawg]

You want to believe we didn't land on the moon? Fine. 9/11 was an inside job? OK....possibly. Kennedy was killed by more than one assassin? Plausable. But when EVERY killing, EVERY school shooting, EVERY bombing, every 'secret society" is a government conspiracy to take over the world, THAT'S when people tune out. Try taking a step back, look at your book of posts from an objective position , and see yourself for the way OTHERS see you.

It ain't pretty.

Haven't you heard? George H.W. Bush is responsible for Kennedy's death.

It was LBJ. He hated a bunch of snot-nosed yankees.

[Ibanez]

Haven't you heard? George H.W. Bush is responsible for Kennedy's death.

It was LBJ. He hated a bunch of snot-nosed yankees.

Possibly, but I watched a very convincing documentary film on this subject. It has to be true!

[AZGrizFan]

America's "free" market at work again. Fuck off, Iowa.

http://fortune.com/2014/09/25/iowa-to-t ... xid=ob_rss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you want to check out one of Tesla’s newfangled electric rides before buying one, you can add Iowa to the list of states to steer clear of.

That’s because Iowa’s transportation department is telling Tesla Motors to stop offering test drives in the state because doing so is illegal, reports the Des Moines Register. Iowa’s DOT apparently said the test drives–conducted by Tesla in West Des Moines earlier this month–were illegal because Tesla isn’t a licensed auto dealer in Iowa, and that state law bans auto manufacturers from selling vehicles directly to consumers.

Trouble is, Tesla doesn’t sell through traditional franchise outlets, and the company has no franchises dealer relationships anywhere in the U.S. If you want to buy one of billionaire Elon Musk’s ballyhooed electric super-cars, you have to transact directly with the company. Unless you’re filthy rich and/or casually profligate, that’s going to be a tall order for most buyers, considering the base price on a Tesla Model S starts in the $70,000 range and surges by tens of thousands from there.

Note that driving Tesla cars in Iowa is perfectly legal. It’s just the test-driving or selling through a storefront part that’s the problem.

Forbidding car makers from selling directly to the public sounds odd, but in fact auto manufacturers are prohibited from selling directly to consumers in nearly every state. In Texas, for instance, Tesla has two show galleries, one in Houston and another in Austin, but as Tesla itself notes on its website: In an effort to comply with the current laws, employees at these galleries are prevented from discussing pricing and the reservation process. This includes any discussion on financing, leasing, or purchasing options. Also, galleries cannot offer test drives. The store’s interactive kiosks are also amended to remove pricing. Lastly, we are unable to refer the customer to another store out of state. This puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage and inhibits our ability to reduce misconceptions and educate people about Electric Vehicles and the technology. Furthermore, people are forced to leave the gallery frustrated, lacking sufficient information about the car and the brand."

There may be a political element to the kerfuffle as well: the Registernotes franchise auto dealers in states around the country have worked with dealers associations to keep Tesla out, presumably threatened by Tesla’s unconventional sales model. In fact, it was Iowa’s Automobile Dealers Association that tipped the DOT off to Tesla’s test drives in West Des Moines, says the Register.

But not allowing auto manufacturers to sell directly to the public may be harming consumers, argues a 2009 competition-related advocacy report on the U.S. Department of Justice’s website. The paper advocates “eliminating state bans on direct manufacturer sales in order to provide automakers with an opportunity to reduce inventories and distribution costs by better matching production with consumer preferences,” and notes that economic arguments for states’ bans on direct auto sales that cite holdup or free-rider issues “are not persuasive because competition among auto manufacturers gives each manufacturer the incentive to refrain from opportunistic behavior and to work with its dealers to resolve any free-rider problems.”

[Chizzang]

Iowa... where's that ?

The Seattle dealer still has a waiting list for buyers

[AZGrizFan]

Iowa... where's that ?

The Seattle dealer still has a waiting list for buyers

I don't know where it's at, but it sure as fuck ain't Iowawesome.

[bandl]

Iowa... where's that ?

Don't you sleep with some of the guys at the Google? Ask them to help you locate Iowa.

[Chizzang]

Iowa... where's that ?

Don't you sleep with some of the guys at the Google? Ask them to help you locate Iowa.

I know where Towson is
And I just give handy's to the Google Kirkland guys (no homo) we aren't sleeping together yet...

[HI54UNI]

The Fortune article doesn't make it very clear about buying a Tesla in Iowa. The IDOT says no to the test drives but they still said it is OK to buy a Tesla online in Iowa.

The problem is the law in many states is written from many years ago when they didn't want Ford/GM/Chrysler owning the dealerships and squeezing out the franchised dealers. Times have changed and the laws haven't changed with them. Elon Musk needs to spend some of his money on lobbyists and get the laws in these states changed.

Or would that make him evil like the Koch brothers?

[Grizalltheway]

No, he just doesn't have enough to buy an entire political party like the Koch-suckers.

[BlueHen86]

Weird how nobody posted any porno pics on this entire thread...

The original poster is respected and thought provoking, not a conspiracy nut wack job.

[Skjellyfetti]

Tesla P85D

691 horse power
0-60 3.2

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8[/youtube]

[Baldy]

Tesla P85D vs. Corvette Stingray

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUlv0bUOCks[/youtube]

Spoiler: show

Corvette wins.

[∞∞∞]

Tesla P85D vs. Corvette Stingray

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUlv0bUOCks[/youtube]

Spoiler: show

Corvette wins.

FWIW, the vid says the Corvette is modified. Regardless, I'm not really sure what the video proves.

[Skjellyfetti]

Eh. Not surprised. Still impressive for an electric 4 door car that seats 5.

Electric cars have come a long, long way. Not long ago people (including me) would never have thought an electric car could hold its own against a Stingray.

[DSUrocks07]

Tesla P85D vs. Corvette Stingray

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUlv0bUOCks[/youtube]

Spoiler: show

Corvette wins.

FWIW, the vid says the Corvette is modified. Regardless, I'm not really sure what the video proves.

The fact that it kept up with the 'vette at all says a lot.

[Baldy]

FWIW, the vid says the Corvette is modified. Regardless, I'm not really sure what the video proves.

The fact that it kept up with the 'vette at all says a lot.

Oh I love the Tesla. I think it's an amazing car. I'd choose one over a Corvette every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
But, "on paper", the Tesla should have killed the Corvette. The Tesla is AWD and produces over 200 more horsepower (allegedly) than the modified Vette.