Tesla vs. Ford...

[93henfan]

The range on my 1996 VW Passat TDI (diesel) wagon was 1,400+ miles.

Philly to LA with one stop for fuel.

Tesla range doesn't impress me.

[Chizzang]

The car is in neutral, so it would be interesting to know how the on board navigator is discerning that there are only 258 miles left in the tank.

The car is in drive. Look again.

seriously -it's like working with the mentally handicapped

[YoUDeeMan]

oh... and all of you detectives and rocket scientists examining the image
1) I took the picture with my phone
2) I was driving the fucking car
3) I had just filled it up

more images shortly Sherlocks

Stop getting all passive-aggressive defensive. So you are stuck driving an Escape...and taking pictures of its dashboard. We won't judge you to your face (that's what PMs are for).

Only one person, Ivy, thought the car wasn't full. I offered an explanation to cover his failing eyesight (or his age, as most of us older folks associate the gas pump image with the gas tank).

As for the analysis of the range noted by the on board computer, those things are estimates...and the computer can't give an accurate range estimate if the car is idling. Duh. That car will get more than 258 miles on a full tank of gas unless you are going 100mph uphill against the wind.

You'll feel better when you get back on your bike.

[YoUDeeMan]

The car is in drive. Look again.

seriously -it's like working with the mentally handicapped

Meh, now you're playing stupid (and doing it oh so well).

The car is idling around 1000rpm and the speedometer is at zero. Park or Drive, either would negatively impact the range...see cleanz's post.

With your post's measure of intellectual honesty, you should be writing for Huffpo.

[Ivytalk]

Looks like the gas gauge in the photo is at about 3/4 full. But I take your point. And the Escape is also far cheaper than any Tesla on the market.

The gas gauge is 100% FULL (please review the image again)

Stigmatism!

P.S. Bite me, hippy!

[Chizzang]

seriously -it's like working with the mentally handicapped

Meh, now you're playing stupid (and doing it oh so well).

The car is idling around 1000rpm and the speedometer is at zero. Park or Drive, either would negatively impact the range...see cleanz's post.

With your post's measure of intellectual honesty, you should be writing for Huffpo.

Good lord you're a nut-ball
The car has an 12 gallon tank - Ford Eco-boost Esape 4wd 2013
it gets 25 miles to the gallon
it has 270 something miles of total RANGE per tankful



This isn't a conspiracy - it's a FORD ESCAPE 2013 Eco-Boost with 4wd
the only point I'm trying to MAKE is - it's got less range than a TESLA

[Grizalltheway]

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More and more stations are added each month.

Looking at that map, there's no way I could make it up to my MIL's place in the UP in Michigan.

ZERO stations in the UP.

12 hour drive (so the recharging would add more time), and then once past Flint/Bay City, you'd have to go way the hell out of the way (40+ miles to recharge (although I could visit DSURocks in Traverse City, MI ).

You seem to be saying that like it's a BAD thing?

[Chizzang]

Here... I just shot this from the Parking lot
If you run the Maryland plates you'll see this car belongs to a fleet of vehicles owned by Google
The engine is unmodified


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3MaKll ... BaPKwADZbA[/youtube]

[ASUG8]

I only read the title, but if you're asking which one is more wired or juiced, my money is on Rob Ford.

[HI54UNI]

Meh, now you're playing stupid (and doing it oh so well).

The car is idling around 1000rpm and the speedometer is at zero. Park or Drive, either would negatively impact the range...see cleanz's post.

With your post's measure of intellectual honesty, you should be writing for Huffpo.

Good lord you're a nut-ball
The car has an 12 gallon tank - Ford Eco-boost Esape 4wd 2013
it gets 25 miles to the gallon
it has 270 something miles of total RANGE per tankful



This isn't a conspiracy - it's a FORD ESCAPE 2013 Eco-Boost with 4wd
the only point I'm trying to MAKE is - it's got less range than a TESLA

Just because you only put 12 gallons in doesn't mean it only holds 12 gallons. It holds 15.1 gallons

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/sp ... apacities/

Depending on which Eco-Boost it has the mpg is 22/30 or 21/28.

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/specifications/

So the range is 332/453 or 317/422

Carry on with your making shit up.

[Chizzang]

Good lord you're a nut-ball
The car has an 12 gallon tank - Ford Eco-boost Esape 4wd 2013
it gets 25 miles to the gallon
it has 270 something miles of total RANGE per tankful



This isn't a conspiracy - it's a FORD ESCAPE 2013 Eco-Boost with 4wd
the only point I'm trying to MAKE is - it's got less range than a TESLA

Just because you only put 12 gallons in doesn't mean it only holds 12 gallons. It holds 15.1 gallons

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/sp ... apacities/

Depending on which Eco-Boost it has the mpg is 22/30 or 21/28.

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/specifications/

So the range is 332/453 or 317/422

Carry on with your making shit up.

DUDE... Seriously
I just FILLED IT UP myself
it has 277 miles of range before it stops running no matter what FORD tells you
this is how far it goes on a tank of gas (trust me) this is not a gag or hoax

[AZGrizFan]

Just because you only put 12 gallons in doesn't mean it only holds 12 gallons. It holds 15.1 gallons

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/sp ... apacities/

Depending on which Eco-Boost it has the mpg is 22/30 or 21/28.

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/specifications/

So the range is 332/453 or 317/422

Carry on with your making shit up.

DUDE... Seriously
I just FILLED IT UP myself
it has 277 miles of range before it stops running no matter what FORD tells you
this is how far it goes on a tank of gas (trust me) this is not a gag or hoax

This thread whomps.

[CID1990]

I thought we already established in a previous thread that we all want a Tesla and anyone who disagrees is a fvcking retard

[Chizzang]

This thread whomps.

Jesus H. Titty Fucking Christ...
It's like working with kindergartners hopped up on jellybeans and candy corn

I even shot a video / this is not a HOAX / it's a real car that gets less than 300 miles per tank full
and I know this for a FACT because I've filled it up twice since it's been here in Seattle

[CID1990]

Actually it has been my experience with those "distance till empty" electronic gauges are wildly inaccurate. They lowball you by at least 100 miles

[Chizzang]

Actually it has been my experience with those "distance till empty" electronic gauges are wildly inaccurate. They lowball you by at least 100 miles

I am hating you so hard right now..!!!

[CID1990]

Actually it has been my experience with those "distance till empty" electronic gauges are wildly inaccurate. They lowball you by at least 100 miles

I am hating you so hard right now..!!!

On a serious note-

If you were an auto maker

Would you engineer your distance till empty gauge to be wrong low, or wrong high?

[clenz]

Good lord you're a nut-ball
The car has an 12 gallon tank - Ford Eco-boost Esape 4wd 2013
it gets 25 miles to the gallon
it has 270 something miles of total RANGE per tankful



This isn't a conspiracy - it's a FORD ESCAPE 2013 Eco-Boost with 4wd
the only point I'm trying to MAKE is - it's got less range than a TESLA

Just because you only put 12 gallons in doesn't mean it only holds 12 gallons. It holds 15.1 gallons

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/sp ... apacities/

Depending on which Eco-Boost it has the mpg is 22/30 or 21/28.

http://www.ford.com/suvs/escape/2013/specifications/

So the range is 332/453 or 317/422

Carry on with your making shit up.

I just asked our outside sales rep who has a 2013 Escape Titanium...He gets about 29 MPG and about 450 miles per tank.

[Chizzang]

On a serious note-

If you were an auto maker

Would you engineer your distance till empty gauge to be wrong low, or wrong high?

Okay, Good question...
The car's internal computer (which I am extremely familiar with) calculates the range based on various usage factors (most of which have to do with RPM's and Idle times... this vehicle has 43K miles on it - at this stage the computer is accurate to within 5%

[Chizzang]

I just asked our outside sales rep who has a 2013 Escape Titanium...He gets about 29 MPG and about 450 miles per tank.

Have him take a picture of the range calculator after he fills the tank please
Until then - I call bullsh!t on you - I have about 100% more evidence than you do to support my claim

You have hearsay and the FORD website

besides witnessing it with my own eyes
This FORD Escape has a small tank / 4WD / Eco-boost / and under 300 miles of range
These are all ^ FACTS

[CID1990]

On a serious note-

If you were an auto maker

Would you engineer your distance till empty gauge to be wrong low, or wrong high?

Okay, Good question...
The car's internal computer (which I am extremely familiar with) calculates the range based on various usage factors (most of which have to do with RPM's and Idle times... this vehicle has 43K miles on it - at this stage the computer is accurate to within 5%

Yes but-

There is no way the gauge could ever tell you that you have another 20 miles to go when in fact you are out of gas, right? That's a flaw that would cost you customers (especially in the soccer mom set). I would think that anyone designing these gauges would make sure that if they are wrong, they are wrong in favor of saying you have less range than you do.

But I defer to your expertise. I tend to be somewhat Spando-ish when it comes to cars.

[Chizzang]

Okay, Good question...
The car's internal computer (which I am extremely familiar with) calculates the range based on various usage factors (most of which have to do with RPM's and Idle times... this vehicle has 43K miles on it - at this stage the computer is accurate to within 5%

Yes but-

There is no way the gauge could ever tell you that you have another 20 miles to go when in fact you are out of gas, right? That's a flaw that would cost you customers (especially in the soccer mom set). I would think that anyone designing these gauges would make sure that if they are wrong, they are wrong in favor of saying you have less range than you do.

But I defer to your expertise. I tend to be somewhat Spando-ish when it comes to cars.

When it tells you that you have 20 miles left you might have 21 or 19 miles
(5%) depending on how you manage the accelerator

[CID1990]

Yes but-

There is no way the gauge could ever tell you that you have another 20 miles to go when in fact you are out of gas, right? That's a flaw that would cost you customers (especially in the soccer mom set). I would think that anyone designing these gauges would make sure that if they are wrong, they are wrong in favor of saying you have less range than you do.

But I defer to your expertise. I tend to be somewhat Spando-ish when it comes to cars.

When it tells you that you have 20 miles left you might have 21 or 19 miles
(5%) depending on how you manage the accelerator

This whole diversion did not go as well as I expected

[CAA Flagship]

All well and good, but you're driving a fucking ESCAPE.

[clenz]

I just asked our outside sales rep who has a 2013 Escape Titanium...He gets about 29 MPG and about 450 miles per tank.

Have him take a picture of the range calculator after he fills the tank please
Until then - I call bullsh!t on you - I have about 100% more evidence than you do to support my claim

You have hearsay and the FORD website

besides witnessing it with my own eyes
This FORD Escape has a small tank / 4WD / Eco-boost / and under 300 miles of range
These are all ^ FACTS

You are so full of shit that it's funny.