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Not sure I agree completely with the racial dog whistle theory but it has some merit. In any event, this is a very thought provoking read with tons of historical perspectives and many points worthy of discussion. Is America a "me" society or a "we"society? Is government or concentrated wealth a greater threat to the liberty of the average American? Has modern conservative politics been an organic movement based in the ideals of liberty or more of a calculated power grab by oligarchs...

Discuss.
Today Reagan is a folk-hero of the right and center and is so widely popular that Barack Obama often feels obliged to invoke Reagan’s name reverentially. Why this obeisance to Reagan? At least partly it reflects a sense widely shared among liberals that the United States is historically and at heart a conservative country, requiring genuflection at the feet of conservative icons. For an example of this liberal belief in the country’s bedrock conservatism, consider an essay published several weeks before the 2012 presidential election, when the portents indicated an uncertain Democratic victory. Editorialist Frank Rich argued that whether Obama won or lost, conservatism would triumph in the end: “This is a nation that loathes government and always has. Liberals should not be deluded: The Goldwater revolution will ultimately triumph, regardless of what happens in November.” Is Rich right? Was Reagan a first step away from the exceptional politics of the New Deal era and back toward a more fundamentally conservative America? Are we at root a conservative country, moving inexorably in the direction of Goldwater’s repudiation of liberal governance?
The simplest way to answer this question may be to look at public attitudes toward government’s role in solving major social problems. In 2009, the political scientists Benjamin Page and Lawrence Jacobs exhaustively reviewed survey data on American attitudes toward activist government, compiling the results in a book entitled Class War? What Americans Really Think about Economic Inequality. Here are some of their findings:

87 percent of the public agrees that government should spend whatever is necessary to ensure that all children have really good public schools they can go to.
67 percent agree that the government in Washington ought to see to it that everyone who wants to work can find a job.
66 percent agree that the Social Security system should ensure a minimum standard of living to all contributors.
73 percent agree it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage.
68 percent agree that government must see that no one is without food, clothing, or shelter.
78 percent favor their own tax dollars being used to help pay for food stamps and other assistance for the poor.

These hardly come across as the cold-hearted responses of a conservative polity wedded to Goldwaterite principles. Instead it is Lyndon Johnson’s vision, not Goldwater’s, that seems represented even today in the above opinions.


...During the Reagan era, for the first time since the onset of the Great Depression, significant cultural space opened up to present government—rather than concentrated wealth—as the greatest threat to freedom faced by the middle class. In turn, massive tax cuts were sold as the appropriate way to restrain a looming, intrusive state. On one level, of course, the tax revolt of the 1980s was more precisely targeted towards preventing the transfer of resources to “them,” the “undeserving poor,” who were disproportionately people of color. More than this, though, opposition to taxes came to mean opposition to government meddling. The point is not that Reagan or other Republican administrations have reduced the size of government (on the contrary, they’ve repeatedly vastly expanded federal power and dramatically increased the national debt, not least through unsustainable tax giveaways to the rich). The point, rather, is that they sold tax cuts for the rich, and indeed the whole agenda of reduced regulation and slashed services, as an expression of hostility toward liberal government. The anti-tax insurgent Grover Norquist has been widely quoted as saying: “I’m not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” But what makes many voters sympathetic to the idea of extinguishing government in the first place? For many, this seething hostility toward government is rooted in racial narratives of freedom in jeopardy.
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The language I'm going to quote below is ridiculous. Forced bussing was and is wrong. States rights is a key concept tied to the origin of this country. It goes way beyond questions of race. And talking about cutting taxes appealing to some subconscious race thing is absurd.

Of COURSE race is involved in the forced bussing issue. But that doesn't make being against forced bussing somehow wrong.

This is typical liberal gobblydegook. If you don't go along with doing things the way THEY want things done then there are all sorts of evil secret motivations for your position.
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Salon can always be counted on to throw in the requisite racial angle to anything conservative.

By the way, I noticed that for the sake of this article, the poor are "disproportionately black", but when the argument is the public dole, the same writers would likely remind us that more whites are on it than blacks.

Good job Salon- D+ for intelllectual dishonesty.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The language I'm going to quote below is ridiculous. Forced bussing was and is wrong. States rights is a key concept tied to the origin of this country. It goes way beyond questions of race. And talking about cutting taxes appealing to some subconscious race thing is absurd.

Of COURSE race is involved in the forced bussing issue. But that doesn't make being against forced bussing somehow wrong.

This is typical liberal gobblydegook. If you don't go along with doing things the way THEY want things done then there are all sorts of evil secret motivations for your position.
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N—, n—, n—.” [Editor's note: The actual word used by Atwater has been replaced with "N—" for the purposes of this article.] By 1968 you can’t say “n—” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut taxes and we want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N—, n—.” So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner.

How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
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How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
You don't strike me as the kind of person who engages White men in conversations regarding their level of education. I can assure you there are many, many advanced degreed White men who are under employed in dead-end jobs. It ain't a "Black" thing, kleanex. :roll: :roll:
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mrklean wrote:
How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
You don't strike me as the kind of person who engages White men in conversations regarding their level of education. I can assure you there are many, many advanced degreed White men who are under employed in dead-end jobs. It ain't a "Black" thing, kleanex. :roll: :roll:
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mrklean wrote: How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
Then you obviously don't go to Starbucks much.

Everybody is sucking wind these days, Klean. If you have a MS in African American Studies or Anthropology then yeah, I could see you being way down the list for getting hired into that software engineering job. But for the most part, appropriately educated whites and blacks are in the same boat in terms of if they are going to be emplyed or not.

Underemplyed is the new normal in a world where a college degree isnt worth the paper it is printed on unless it is in a hard, applicable science.

edit: Actually, most people who claim to be underemployed aren't underemployed at all.
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CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote: How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
Then you obviously don't go to Starbucks much.

Everybody is sucking wind these days, Klean. If you have a MS in African American Studies or Anthropology then yeah, I could see you being way down the list for getting hired into that software engineering job. But for the most part, appropriately educated whites and blacks are in the same boat in terms of if they are going to be emplyed or not.

Underemplyed is the new normal in a world where a college degree isnt worth the paper it is printed on unless it is in a hard, applicable science.

edit: Actually, most people who claim to be underemployed aren't underemployed at all.

I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
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mrklean wrote:I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
Yep. Now you actually have to KNOW something to get hired. Sucks for you, don't it? :lol: :lol: 8-)
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mrklean wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The language I'm going to quote below is ridiculous. Forced bussing was and is wrong. States rights is a key concept tied to the origin of this country. It goes way beyond questions of race. And talking about cutting taxes appealing to some subconscious race thing is absurd.

Of COURSE race is involved in the forced bussing issue. But that doesn't make being against forced bussing somehow wrong.

This is typical liberal gobblydegook. If you don't go along with doing things the way THEY want things done then there are all sorts of evil secret motivations for your position.

How many Black people TODAY that are shut out of the Working Force. last night I was reading about the number of College educated Black men who are unemployed or underemployed. Some poor sap, has a Masters Degree and works at a Coffee Shoppe. He says that he fills out apps all day and works from 3pm to 11 pm. I dont see too many White Men with a Masters degree working at a phucking Coffee Shoppe. However, I know several Black men who are Educated and have several years of Work Exp. and work at dead end jobs. I know we are in a shitty Job Market but this makes no sense.
What kind of a job, for a man(black or white) with a Masters degree, requires you to fill out an application for employment?
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Reagan. :lol:
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87 percent of the public agrees that government should spend whatever is necessary to ensure that all children have really good public schools they can go to.
67 percent agree that the government in Washington ought to see to it that everyone who wants to work can find a job.
66 percent agree that the Social Security system should ensure a minimum standard of living to all contributors.
73 percent agree it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage.
68 percent agree that government must see that no one is without food, clothing, or shelter.
78 percent favor their own tax dollars being used to help pay for food stamps and other assistance for the poor.
I always take polls like these with a huge grain of salt. Research has shown how the questions are worded can have a huge effect on how they are answered. The questions sometimes don't have any kind of specifics involved with them.

Like the "whatever is necessary" words in the education question. Most everyone wants good schools but there's about a billion opinions how to best get good schools and they don't all involve teachers unions to ensure that middle school gym teachers make the same as high school calculus teachers.
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mrklean wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Then you obviously don't go to Starbucks much.

Everybody is sucking wind these days, Klean. If you have a MS in African American Studies or Anthropology then yeah, I could see you being way down the list for getting hired into that software engineering job. But for the most part, appropriately educated whites and blacks are in the same boat in terms of if they are going to be emplyed or not.

Underemplyed is the new normal in a world where a college degree isnt worth the paper it is printed on unless it is in a hard, applicable science.

edit: Actually, most people who claim to be underemployed aren't underemployed at all.

I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
That's actually true. A college degree used to be very prestigious. Colleges also used to be very hard to get into, and once you were there, you had to study your rear end off to stay there. That's why emplyers were eager to hire people with college degrees regardless of what their major was (although there wasn't a lot of diversity in majors prior to WWII).

Nowadays, anybody can go to college. Depending on your financial means and if you come from an aggrieved demographic, you can get into some pretty prestigious places (for many of these the prestige is historic but not actual). Employers know this. If I were looking for a good employee in a manufacturing job, I would be hard pressed not to hire some kid who went to a tech or vocational school for two years over some kid with a BS from somewhere like Clemson.

Add to this the fact that colleges and universities are not served by having people flunk out. They have gone out of their way to create useless majors and departments to both attract and retain students who are there for nothing more than a degree, quality be damned. Further add to this the urge to create departments dedicated to social justice in order to avoid the usual activist parasites giving them bad publicity, and see what has happened to tuition as a result. You could fire 3/4ths of the entire faculty at UNC-Chapel Hill and their academic quality would actually IMPROVE overall, because you'd be getting rid of the gender studies, the race studies, and all of the rest of the useless courses of study that prepare you to do nothing EXCEPT work in a coffee shop.

Lastly, there is this idea that everybody needs to go to college. Probably more people need to go than went in 1890, but damn fewer than are going now. At least 50% of all kids going to major universities are wasting their money. Why? Because they are overpaying by 80% for degrees that will never land them in jobs that are either pertinent to what they studied, or salaries commensurate with what they paid for college. AND- all of this has conspired to kill off most of the old tech schools. Yes, there are still community colleges, but those are now more about teaching 18 year olds how to actually READ and WRITE so they can get into UNC Pembroke and major in Native American Studies rather than giving people training for real jobs. We used to have a great tradition in heavy industry like shipbuilding. Today, there are precious few schools where you can go to learn lofting and drafting, and they are so damn expensive because there are so few of them, that a kid right out of high school might not see the obvious advantage to being able to actually supervise the building of a container ship.

I could rant on and on about this subject. Suffice to say that our egalitarianism in education has actually cheapened the value of education to the point that now we are stuck with this mess that is higher education. We have completely devalued the college degree because we look at college as something that everybody should do.
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Certain students should be pushed in the direction of Technical schools, but some liberals will say it's a plot to keep non-asian minorities out of college. And the donks don't use dog whistles in racial demagogery, they use megaphones.
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CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
That's actually true. A college degree used to be very prestigious. Colleges also used to be very hard to get into, and once you were there, you had to study your rear end off to stay there. That's why emplyers were eager to hire people with college degrees regardless of what their major was (although there wasn't a lot of diversity in majors prior to WWII).

Nowadays, anybody can go to college. Depending on your financial means and if you come from an aggrieved demographic, you can get into some pretty prestigious places (for many of these the prestige is historic but not actual). Employers know this. If I were looking for a good employee in a manufacturing job, I would be hard pressed not to hire some kid who went to a tech or vocational school for two years over some kid with a BS from somewhere like Clemson.

Add to this the fact that colleges and universities are not served by having people flunk out. They have gone out of their way to create useless majors and departments to both attract and retain students who are there for nothing more than a degree, quality be damned. Further add to this the urge to create departments dedicated to social justice in order to avoid the usual activist parasites giving them bad publicity, and see what has happened to tuition as a result. You could fire 3/4ths of the entire faculty at UNC-Chapel Hill and their academic quality would actually IMPROVE overall, because you'd be getting rid of the gender studies, the race studies, and all of the rest of the useless courses of study that prepare you to do nothing EXCEPT work in a coffee shop.

Lastly, there is this idea that everybody needs to go to college. Probably more people need to go than went in 1890, but damn fewer than are going now. At least 50% of all kids going to major universities are wasting their money. Why? Because they are overpaying by 80% for degrees that will never land them in jobs that are either pertinent to what they studied, or salaries commensurate with what they paid for college. AND- all of this has conspired to kill off most of the old tech schools. Yes, there are still community colleges, but those are now more about teaching 18 year olds how to actually READ and WRITE so they can get into UNC Pembroke and major in Native American Studies rather than giving people training for real jobs. We used to have a great tradition in heavy industry like shipbuilding. Today, there are precious few schools where you can go to learn lofting and drafting, and they are so damn expensive because there are so few of them, that a kid right out of high school might not see the obvious advantage to being able to actually supervise the building of a container ship.

I could rant on and on about this subject. Suffice to say that our egalitarianism in education has actually cheapened the value of education to the point that now we are stuck with this mess that is higher education. We have completely devalued the college degree because we look at college as something that everybody should do.
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CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
That's actually true. A college degree used to be very prestigious. Colleges also used to be very hard to get into, and once you were there, you had to study your rear end off to stay there. That's why emplyers were eager to hire people with college degrees regardless of what their major was (although there wasn't a lot of diversity in majors prior to WWII).

Nowadays, anybody can go to college. Depending on your financial means and if you come from an aggrieved demographic, you can get into some pretty prestigious places (for many of these the prestige is historic but not actual). Employers know this. If I were looking for a good employee in a manufacturing job, I would be hard pressed not to hire some kid who went to a tech or vocational school for two years over some kid with a BS from somewhere like Clemson.

Add to this the fact that colleges and universities are not served by having people flunk out. They have gone out of their way to create useless majors and departments to both attract and retain students who are there for nothing more than a degree, quality be damned. Further add to this the urge to create departments dedicated to social justice in order to avoid the usual activist parasites giving them bad publicity, and see what has happened to tuition as a result. You could fire 3/4ths of the entire faculty at UNC-Chapel Hill and their academic quality would actually IMPROVE overall, because you'd be getting rid of the gender studies, the race studies, and all of the rest of the useless courses of study that prepare you to do nothing EXCEPT work in a coffee shop.

Lastly, there is this idea that everybody needs to go to college. Probably more people need to go than went in 1890, but damn fewer than are going now. At least 50% of all kids going to major universities are wasting their money. Why? Because they are overpaying by 80% for degrees that will never land them in jobs that are either pertinent to what they studied, or salaries commensurate with what they paid for college. AND- all of this has conspired to kill off most of the old tech schools. Yes, there are still community colleges, but those are now more about teaching 18 year olds how to actually READ and WRITE so they can get into UNC Pembroke and major in Native American Studies rather than giving people training for real jobs. We used to have a great tradition in heavy industry like shipbuilding. Today, there are precious few schools where you can go to learn lofting and drafting, and they are so damn expensive because there are so few of them, that a kid right out of high school might not see the obvious advantage to being able to actually supervise the building of a container ship.

I could rant on and on about this subject. Suffice to say that our egalitarianism in education has actually cheapened the value of education to the point that now we are stuck with this mess that is higher education. We have completely devalued the college degree because we look at college as something that everybody should do.
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There's a thoughtful op-ed piece in today's WSJ by William Galston (one "progressive" writer whose work I read regularly) on how there may now be a rare chance for liberals and conservatives to open serious discussions on how to achieve an equal-opportunity society. Galston notes that more liberal thinkers are recognizing the concept of equality of oppportunity as opposed to equality of results, while conservative thinkers are acknowledging that government has some role in creating equality of opportunity.
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CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
That's actually true. A college degree used to be very prestigious. Colleges also used to be very hard to get into, and once you were there, you had to study your rear end off to stay there. That's why emplyers were eager to hire people with college degrees regardless of what their major was (although there wasn't a lot of diversity in majors prior to WWII).

Nowadays, anybody can go to college. Depending on your financial means and if you come from an aggrieved demographic, you can get into some pretty prestigious places (for many of these the prestige is historic but not actual). Employers know this. If I were looking for a good employee in a manufacturing job, I would be hard pressed not to hire some kid who went to a tech or vocational school for two years over some kid with a BS from somewhere like Clemson.

Add to this the fact that colleges and universities are not served by having people flunk out. They have gone out of their way to create useless majors and departments to both attract and retain students who are there for nothing more than a degree, quality be damned. Further add to this the urge to create departments dedicated to social justice in order to avoid the usual activist parasites giving them bad publicity, and see what has happened to tuition as a result. You could fire 3/4ths of the entire faculty at UNC-Chapel Hill and their academic quality would actually IMPROVE overall, because you'd be getting rid of the gender studies, the race studies, and all of the rest of the useless courses of study that prepare you to do nothing EXCEPT work in a coffee shop.

Lastly, there is this idea that everybody needs to go to college. Probably more people need to go than went in 1890, but damn fewer than are going now. At least 50% of all kids going to major universities are wasting their money. Why? Because they are overpaying by 80% for degrees that will never land them in jobs that are either pertinent to what they studied, or salaries commensurate with what they paid for college. AND- all of this has conspired to kill off most of the old tech schools. Yes, there are still community colleges, but those are now more about teaching 18 year olds how to actually READ and WRITE so they can get into UNC Pembroke and major in Native American Studies rather than giving people training for real jobs. We used to have a great tradition in heavy industry like shipbuilding. Today, there are precious few schools where you can go to learn lofting and drafting, and they are so damn expensive because there are so few of them, that a kid right out of high school might not see the obvious advantage to being able to actually supervise the building of a container ship.

I could rant on and on about this subject. Suffice to say that our egalitarianism in education has actually cheapened the value of education to the point that now we are stuck with this mess that is higher education. We have completely devalued the college degree because we look at college as something that everybody should do.

Holy shit. :notworthy:

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I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
Take your head out of your azz and you might actually notice the world has changed a few times in the past few decades.

Back in the 80's many college grads were taking telemarketing jobs around here because the job market was so tight. Take an entry level job, make a good impression, work your way up. That's the way it worked usually ANYWHERE for ANYONE (unless your uncle owned the business). Somewhere in between, jobs grew plentiful and people began to expect to walk out of college with a useless degree into jobs paying +$100,000. Today, we've just gotten back to the norm...take an entry level job and work your way up (or back up if you've been laid off).

Life is tough...stop complaining and get to work. Believe me, if you are worth anything, you will get ahead. If not, don't make excuses...the blame is on you and your attitude.
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I guess, this is a new world for me. I can't remember when a college educated man could not get a real job. I remember when people would hire you because you had a degree. Now its like ummmm.
Take your head out of your azz and you might actually notice the world has changed a few times in the past few decades.

Back in the 80's many college grads were taking telemarketing jobs around here because the job market was so tight. Take an entry level job, make a good impression, work your way up. That's the way it worked usually ANYWHERE for ANYONE (unless your uncle owned the business). Somewhere in between, jobs grew plentiful and people began to expect to walk out of college with a useless degree into jobs paying +$100,000. Today, we've just gotten back to the norm...take an entry level job and work your way up (or back up if you've been laid off).

Life is tough...stop complaining and get to work. Believe me, if you are worth anything, you will get ahead. If not, don't make excuses...the blame is on you and your attitude.

First of all Redneck, I work for my self. I WORK FOR NO ONE. I learned that very hard lesson in 2004.
Secondly, I know several people wh are in hard times. Yes, life suxx but good people suffer along with families. I can tell by the way you talk not only are you missing a steady pussy in your life, you don't have a family. It used to be easy to find a job, but now companies make it harder for people to get re-hired. And that working from the bottom shit. Who will hire a guy with a Masters to start at the bottom. I know human nature. People will not hire a person who has more education than them. The first thing they think of when the see a Masters of Science Degree is....."Damn this fucker may try to take my job". You would know this you had a real education :rofl:
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Take your head out of your azz and you might actually notice the world has changed a few times in the past few decades.

Back in the 80's many college grads were taking telemarketing jobs around here because the job market was so tight. Take an entry level job, make a good impression, work your way up. That's the way it worked usually ANYWHERE for ANYONE (unless your uncle owned the business). Somewhere in between, jobs grew plentiful and people began to expect to walk out of college with a useless degree into jobs paying +$100,000. Today, we've just gotten back to the norm...take an entry level job and work your way up (or back up if you've been laid off).

Life is tough...stop complaining and get to work. Believe me, if you are worth anything, you will get ahead. If not, don't make excuses...the blame is on you and your attitude.

First of all Redneck, I work for my self. I WORK FOR NO ONE. I learned that very hard lesson in 2004.
Secondly, I know several people wh are in hard times. Yes, life suxx but good people suffer along with families. I can tell by the way you talk not only are you missing a steady pussy in your life, you don't have a family. It used to be easy to find a job, but now companies make it harder for people to get re-hired. And that working from the bottom ****. Who will hire a guy with a Masters to start at the bottom. I know human nature. People will not hire a person who has more education than them. The first thing they think of when the see a Masters of Science Degree is....."Damn this **** may try to take my job". You would know this you had a real education :rofl:
Generalize much? I call BS on this. When I'm hiring I want to hire people that are smarter than me because they'll do good work and we'll all look good together and get raises and make more money. I also want them to have a good work ethic and to be able to take the initiative as well. Education is just one aspect of what a smart manager looks for in an employee.
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mrklean wrote: First of all Redneck, I work for my self. I WORK FOR NO ONE. I learned that very hard lesson in 2004.
Secondly, I know several people wh are in hard times. Yes, life suxx but good people suffer along with families. I can tell by the way you talk not only are you missing a steady pussy in your life, you don't have a family. It used to be easy to find a job, but now companies make it harder for people to get re-hired. And that working from the bottom shit. Who will hire a guy with a Masters to start at the bottom. I know human nature. People will not hire a person who has more education than them. The first thing they think of when the see a Masters of Science Degree is....."Damn this fucker may try to take my job". You would know this you had a real education :rofl:
Stop projecting your own fears, you weak-minded fool. Just because you are frightened by people with a good education, it doesn't mean other employers aren't willing to hire quality people.

BTW, which is it...do you work for yourself, or do you work for no one? :suspicious:
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mrklean wrote: First of all Redneck, I work for my self. I WORK FOR NO ONE. I learned that very hard lesson in 2004.
Secondly, I know several people wh are in hard times. Yes, life suxx but good people suffer along with families. I can tell by the way you talk not only are you missing a steady pussy in your life, you don't have a family. It used to be easy to find a job, but now companies make it harder for people to get re-hired. And that working from the bottom ****. Who will hire a guy with a Masters to start at the bottom. I know human nature. People will not hire a person who has more education than them. The first thing they think of when the see a Masters of Science Degree is....."Damn this **** may try to take my job". You would know this you had a real education :rofl:
Stop projecting your own fears, you weak-minded fool. Just because you are frightened by people with a good education, it doesn't mean other employers aren't willing to hire quality people.

BTW, which is it...do you work for yourself, or do you work for no one? :suspicious:

You really are a NERD :lol:
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mrklean wrote:
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Stop projecting your own fears, you weak-minded fool. Just because you are frightened by people with a good education, it doesn't mean other employers aren't willing to hire quality people.

BTW, which is it...do you work for yourself, or do you work for no one? :suspicious:

You really are a NERD :lol:
Get a woman NERD!
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AZGrizFan wrote:
mrklean wrote:

You really are a NERD :lol:
Get a woman NERD!
Word of advice, kleanex: stop digging. :ohno:
Not only are you a Nerd, but a slave as well. Working for another man, making him rich. :rofl: :rofl:
Now who's the fool :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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