The Army’s $5 billion waste on clothing

[DSUrocks07]

Amen to that.

I've worked a State government job where I literally went to Office Max and piled up two carts full of whatever I could get my hands on. I can only imagine what it's like at the federal level.

The federal gov doesn't go to Office Max. We award contracts to NIB/NISH contractors to allow special people to make our office products for us.

The proverbial $2000 toilet seats and $400 hammers.

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[SDHornet]

How about this one?

Hours before the shutdown... the Pentagon pushes through 94 contracts totaling $5 billion.

Including things like Mercedes Benz trucks, a new gym for the Air Force Academy, and robot submarines, etc.

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So you're a Tea Partier now?

This made me lol.

[mrklean]

The U.S. Army waste 5 Billion on Uniforms and you worry about Obamacare. This is 5 Billion that we know. How much Money the DOD has wasted that we don't know???

[Ibanez]

The article is a bit misleading. Yes, the Army spent money on a bad design, but $5 billion wasn't wasted. $5 billion is the cost of buying uniforms for the Army, which is a cost that would have been expended anyway. The design cost wasted was $5 million on the development of UCP and another $3.4 million on the development of MultiCam.

The article also conveniently overlooks the great success story of the Marine Corps' MARPAT uniform, which has been an unquestioned success since 2002. Trust me, I wore the woodland camoflage for six years on active duty in the 90s. It was a less than desirable uniform. The pocket angles, buttons, fabric wear, range of motion, all had serious limitations. Commandant CC Krulak set out to fix all those issues when I was serving and he did a damn good job of it. The MARPAT uniform was designed at a cost of only $330 thousand. The Marine Corps has always done more with less. The Army tried to imitate the MARPAT and apparently failed in 2005.

The Army, according to The Daily, spent nearly $5 million to develop its botched UCP uniform, and, according to Military.com, another $3.4 million on UCP's temporary replacement, MultiCam.

Lawrence Holsworth, marketing director of a camouflage company called Hyde Definition, called UCP a financial disaster. “UCP was such a fiasco," he told The Daily.

The Marine Corps, on the other hand, spent only $330,000 to perfect the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), a more formal name for MARPAT.

How did they spend so little on such an effective uniform? The answer is quirky and surprisingly simple: by sending Marines to Home Depot.

According to a tale told to The Daily, Marine commanders approached snipers at sniper school in Quantico, Va., and asked them for their input on the best camouflage colors. Intrigued, the team of snipers trotted over to a local Home Depot and wound up in the paint section, where they picked out a Ralph Lauren hue. Today, we refer to that color as "Coyote Brown." It's the basis for MARPAT, the most envied uniform in the United States military.

I worked with a guy that did flame testing on the uniforms. The technology and logic that goes into the uniform as well as the placement and angle of pockets is incredible.

[Ibanez]

The federal gov doesn't go to Office Max. We award contracts to NIB/NISH contractors to allow special people to make our office products for us.

The proverbial $2000 toilet seats and $400 hammers.

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Yeah, there are two reasons that I can think of for that.

1) How many people were involved with that hammer? The hammer itself maybe only $20, but after a contract officer, a couple of logisticians and some grunts get into the process, it cost $300(thier time) to buy that $20 hammer.

2)Also, there are people that cheat the system. This is the most common example. There were two women in South Carolina charging thousands for small parts(washers, nuts, bolts) that should have only cost hundreds. This is a failure on both ends. They made off with millions before the ruse was detected.

[Ibanez]

The U.S. Army waste 5 Billion on Uniforms and you worry about Obamacare. This is 5 Billion that we know. How much Money the DOD has wasted that we don't know???

The entire government has wasted money. I'd be just as upset wasting $300 Million. $300 million can do a lot of good.

[mrklean]

The U.S. Army waste 5 Billion on Uniforms and you worry about Obamacare. This is 5 Billion that we know. How much Money the DOD has wasted that we don't know???

The entire government has wasted money. I'd be just as upset wasting $300 Million. $300 million can do a lot of good.

You said that the Government was getting better in not wasting money I told you the DOD is the biggest problem in our Government. Stop the waste in the DOD.

[AZGrizFan]

The entire government has wasted money. I'd be just as upset wasting $300 Million. $300 million can do a lot of good.

You said that the Government was getting better in not wasting money I told you the DOD is the biggest problem in our Government. Stop the waste in the DOD.

Read the article again (if you can). It wasn't $5 BILLION wasted....Dback was just fishing and he caught a ton of fish.

[mrklean]

You said that the Government was getting better in not wasting money I told you the DOD is the biggest problem in our Government. Stop the waste in the DOD.

Read the article again (if you can). It wasn't $5 BILLION wasted....Dback was just fishing and he caught a ton of fish.

Yeah, 5 Billion on Bullshit uniforms. And some former General go Rich off the sale. What the fuck was wrong with the old uniforms??

[AZGrizFan]

Read the article again (if you can). It wasn't $5 BILLION wasted....Dback was just fishing and he caught a ton of fish.

Yeah, 5 Billion on Bullshit uniforms. And some former General go Rich off the sale. What the fuck was wrong with the old uniforms??

I thought so. You can't read.

[Cap'n Cat]

Government is good. Politics is a disease.

[mrklean]

Yeah, 5 Billion on Bullshit uniforms. And some former General go Rich off the sale. What the **** was wrong with the old uniforms??

I thought so. You can't read.

Yeah, typical excuse maker

[AZGrizFan]

I thought so. You can't read.

Yeah, typical excuse maker

Read the fucking article, moron. Then get back to us with your analysis.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Yeah, typical excuse maker

Read the fucking article, moron. Then get back to us with your analysis.

I will answer for him Z.....the Army is racist.

[mrklean]

Read the **** article, moron. Then get back to us with your analysis.

I will answer for him Z.....the Army is racist.

The U.S. Army is Wonderful
The U.S. Navy is racist

[93henfan]

The federal gov doesn't go to Office Max. We award contracts to NIB/NISH contractors to allow special people to make our office products for us.

The proverbial $2000 toilet seats and $400 hammers.

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Whoa, whoa! The toilet seat was only $600 and the hammer was only $435. It's all right there in the Packard Commission Report, a lesson learned for procurement types like me.

[93henfan]

You said that the Government was getting better in not wasting money I told you the DOD is the biggest problem in our Government. Stop the waste in the DOD.

Read the article again (if you can). It wasn't $5 BILLION wasted....Dback was just fishing and he caught a ton of fish.

I think the Marine Corps did the most fishing of all. The Marines came out with a damn good uniform. In the process, all the other services tried to keep up with the Joneses. The Army wasted money on crap, the Chair Force blends in so nicely behind its desk in tiger stripe camo, and in the biggest WTF of all (IMHO) the Navy is running around in these clown costumes :

[mrklean]

Read the article again (if you can). It wasn't $5 BILLION wasted....Dback was just fishing and he caught a ton of fish.

I think the Marine Corps did the most fishing of all. The Marines came out with a damn good uniform. In the process, all the other services tried to keep up with the Joneses. The Army wasted money on crap, the Chair Force blends in so nicely behind its desk in tiger stripe camo, and in the biggest WTF of all (IMHO) the Navy is running around in these clown costumes :

There needs to be one Uniform. Pick one and let it be that.

[CAA Flagship]

There needs to be one Uniform. Pick one and let it be that.

[mrklean]

[SDHornet]