CAA Flagship wrote:.......and house buying, career choice, marriage, car buying, choice of dinner, permission to let Ibanez and GATW become members at CS.com, grizza's crock pot cooking, 93henfan's insensitive comments, and Z's transfer to Idaho.CID1990 wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20 in law enforcement.
AZGrizFan wrote:CAA Flagship wrote: .......and house buying, career choice, marriage, car buying, choice of dinner, permission to let Ibanez and GATW become members at CS.com, grizza's crock pot cooking, 93henfan's insensitive comments, and Z's transfer to Idaho.
You gonna turn that knife before you stab me again?
No round the clock monitoring, no assigning FBI to tail him 24 hrs a day. But at least put his name into a no fly database so the FBI would have been alerted when he showed up at the airport to fly and when he he returned to the US. If Customs had seen that the guy was flagged they could have determined where he travelled to.GannonFan wrote:What would they have been able to do to stop this guy short of round the clock monitoring, and you figure assigning FBI guys to tail this guy, 24 hours a day, for the past two years, might have been able to catch him doing something that would've indicated he was planning this. Are we saying we should do that indefinitely with everyone who might be a risk?
Well, if we had anybody with a brainstem running that goat rope of an organization Boston might have had a chance.dbackjon wrote:DHS knew he left the country.
Do you have a link to this alleged youtube account?BDKJMU wrote:He then returns to the US and sets up a Youtube account where he posts jihadist videos
How would that have stopped this?BDKJMU wrote:No round the clock monitoring, no assigning FBI to tail him 24 hrs a day. But at least put his name into a no fly database so the FBI would have been alerted when he showed up at the airport to fly and when he he returned to the US. If Customs had seen that the guy was flagged they could have determined where he travelled to.GannonFan wrote:What would they have been able to do to stop this guy short of round the clock monitoring, and you figure assigning FBI guys to tail this guy, 24 hours a day, for the past two years, might have been able to catch him doing something that would've indicated he was planning this. Are we saying we should do that indefinitely with everyone who might be a risk?
Also you don't have to tail someone to know what they are posting on a YouTube website.
That's not evidence.mrklean wrote:What evidence do you have to say that they are? The NYPD is a Far batter Law Encorcement Department that the FBI, when it comes to solving crimes and Investigations. The only Department that the FBI would have on NYPD is the HBT/SRT unit.kalm wrote:
What evidence do you have that they are not?
AZ..There is a POLL option on this site. I have used it before and a member was decommissioned. Might give it a try.AZGrizFan wrote:CAA Flagship wrote: .......and house buying, career choice, marriage, car buying, choice of dinner, permission to let Ibanez and GATW become members at CS.com, grizza's crock pot cooking, 93henfan's insensitive comments, and Z's transfer to Idaho.
You gonna turn that knife before you stab me again?
Did they know he re entered the country?dbackjon wrote:DHS knew he left the country.
Yes.BDKJMU wrote:Did they know he re entered the country?dbackjon wrote:DHS knew he left the country.
It may not have, but that is not an excuse for monitoring a guy who should have been monitored.89Hen wrote:How would that have stopped this?BDKJMU wrote:
No round the clock monitoring, no assigning FBI to tail him 24 hrs a day. But at least put his name into a no fly database so the FBI would have been alerted when he showed up at the airport to fly and when he he returned to the US. If Customs had seen that the guy was flagged they could have determined where he travelled to.
Also you don't have to tail someone to know what they are posting on a YouTube website.
So you are willing to pay to monitor a half million people? Round the clock?BlueHen86 wrote:It may not have, but that is not an excuse for monitoring a guy who should have been monitored.89Hen wrote: How would that have stopped this?
How about we shift a couple billion we're spending in the Middle East and spend it here instead?dbackjon wrote:So you are willing to pay to monitor a half million people? Round the clock?BlueHen86 wrote:
It may not have, but that is not an excuse for monitoring a guy who should have been monitored.
won't get an argument from me - but then the police state bs would start up...danefan wrote:How about we shift a couple billion we're spending in the Middle East and spend it here instead?dbackjon wrote:
So you are willing to pay to monitor a half million people? Round the clock?
No, but I'm willing to monitor a guy that I have been warned about by another country. I willing to monitor a guy who travels overseas and spends a lot of time in a part of the world known to be a terrorist hot bed.dbackjon wrote:So you are willing to pay to monitor a half million people? Round the clock?BlueHen86 wrote:
It may not have, but that is not an excuse for monitoring a guy who should have been monitored.
Nobody is talking about a police state. We're talking about a guy who is not a US citizen. A guy we were warned about. A guy that the FBI had already spoken to. A guy who advertised extremist views on a website.dbackjon wrote:won't get an argument from me - but then the police state bs would start up...danefan wrote:
How about we shift a couple billion we're spending in the Middle East and spend it here instead?
BlueHen86 wrote:Nobody is talking about a police state. We're talking about a guy who is not a US citizen. A guy we were warned about. A guy that the FBI had already spoken to. A guy who advertised extremist views on a website.dbackjon wrote:
won't get an argument from me - but then the police state bs would start up...
Let's not get carried away here Jon. If we can't stop obvious threats like this guy was, we're not going to stop anybody. We might as well bend over and let someone ram a pressure cooker bomb up our ass.
Ya think? What a goat *uck:dbackjon wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:
Nobody is talking about a police state. We're talking about a guy who is not a US citizen. A guy we were warned about. A guy that the FBI had already spoken to. A guy who advertised extremist views on a website.
Let's not get carried away here Jon. If we can't stop obvious threats like this guy was, we're not going to stop anybody. We might as well bend over and let someone ram a pressure cooker bomb up our ass.
What was so obvious? That he traveled to a foreign country? Not saying we can't learn from this - first and foremost, we need to learn what we COULD have done. Maybe nothing. Maybe a ball was dropped. Are the CIA and FBI still not sharing intel?
Or do we have a situation closer to Columbine than anything?
That's a slippery slope, my friend.BlueHen86 wrote:No, but I'm willing to monitor a guy that I have been warned about by another country. I willing to monitor a guy who travels overseas and spends a lot of time in a part of the world known to be a terrorist hot bed.dbackjon wrote:
So you are willing to pay to monitor a half million people? Round the clock?
You are really clueless aren't you?BDKJMU wrote:Another FBI screw up. Last week they arrest a Mississippi man for the Ricin letters. 2 days ago, after his name has been smeared nationwide, oops, wrong guy. They release him.
Remember Richard Jewell?
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Remember Dr Stephen Hatfill?
"The Wrong Man
In the fall of 2001, a nation reeling from the horror of 9/11 was rocked by a series of deadly anthrax attacks. As the pressure to find a culprit mounted, the FBI, abetted by the media, found one. The wrong one. This is the story of how federal authorities blew the biggest anti-terror investigation of the past decade—and nearly destroyed an innocent man............................"
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... an/308019/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Its like with these terrorism cases the FBI has an arrest/accuse 1st, ask questions later mentality.
BDKJMU wrote:Another FBI screw up. Last week they arrest a Mississippi man for the Ricin letters. 2 days ago, after his name has been smeared nationwide, oops, wrong guy. They release him.
Remember Richard Jewell?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Remember Dr Stephen Hatfill?
"The Wrong Man
In the fall of 2001, a nation reeling from the horror of 9/11 was rocked by a series of deadly anthrax attacks. As the pressure to find a culprit mounted, the FBI, abetted by the media, found one. The wrong one. This is the story of how federal authorities blew the biggest anti-terror investigation of the past decade—and nearly destroyed an innocent man............................"
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... an/308019/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Its like with these terrorism cases the FBI has an arrest/accuse 1st, ask questions later mentality.
Hmmm...wonder if he got ahold of some of the same food as Jackie Robinson?Jewell died August 29, 2007, from natural causes at the age of 44. He was suffering from severe heart disease, kidney disease, and diabetes
That's to be expected. It's ok when my guy does it.Gil Dobie wrote:hehehe, sounds like the people that were bashing Bush about the governmental department failures are bending over backwards not to bash Obama for the same stuff.