bible...really???

[houndawg]

John, first you have to look at the time the bible was first spoken. At that time, yo had several small communites. The first thing was to get married and have children. at the end of the day, Two gay people can't make baby......PERIOD. How is the community going to survive? That may sound so simple minded now, but in 2000 B.C., they took that very serious. To back that up, look at communites that have small population at that time, and they two were against the gay life style. The bigger the city, the more homosexuality you saw, Rome, Athens. But now in 2013, I could give a damn if two men wat to get married. I dont care. In fact, gay men make great neighbors. I used to live next to two gay men and they were so of the best people I knew.

I don't know about the homosexual lifestyle stuff in general but I agree with the "make a baby" thing being key to the existence of the institution of marriage. That, I think, is why it exists. Whether it was marriage involving one man and one woman or marriage involving one man having multiple wives. The reason, I think, the concept evolved is that it provided a stable environment in which children were produced and nurtured biologically. And that fact is not altered by the fact that it's possible for males and females to get married under circumstances in which there is no chance that they will have children.

I think it's absolutely absurd to be even talking about "marriage" encompassing two members of the same sex. But that in itself isn't my issue with homosexuality.

My issue is more "global." To me it's a classic example of egalitarianism corrupting rational thought starting with the process that led the American Psychiatric Association removing homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. A body of practitioners of science...or pseudo science...cast objectivity aside in order to promote egaltiarianism. They declared that people who are obviously sick are not sick.

And it went from there. Then we went into decades of indoctrination of young people in schools and such. There was no defense because the experts had spoken. Never mind that the objectivity of the experts had been compromised by their philosophical orientation.

If people believe "the experts" when it comes to homosexuality...if they believe that having a preference for members of your own sex is not disfunctional because "the experts say so"...they will believe anything. They have cast their own critical thinking ability away. As I've said before, it reminds me of the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. People have been told what the "enlightened" view is. So they have adopted it. Never mind that it is obviously a crock.

They're Christians John. By definition they're gullible and prone to believing nonsense.

[SeattleGriz]

They're Christians John. By definition they're gullible and prone to believing nonsense.

That weak shit never gets old to you, does it? You, and the majority of atheists are so fucking full of shit.
What do you do when you wake up, wonder how you can throw out another crap Christian generalization? Fucking move on.

Atheists are bunch of fucking pussies that haven't done shit in comparison to Christianity to advance humanity.

[houndawg]

They're Christians John. By definition they're gullible and prone to believing nonsense.

That weak **** never gets old to you, does it? You, and the majority of atheists are so **** full of ****.
What do you do when you wake up, wonder how you can throw out another crap Christian generalization? **** move on.

Atheists are bunch of **** pussies that haven't done **** in comparison to Christianity to advance humanity.

SG, are you experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling?


Voltaire alone is worth more than your sorry-ass recycled Egyptian sun god myth.

[SeattleGriz]

That weak **** never gets old to you, does it? You, and the majority of atheists are so **** full of ****.
What do you do when you wake up, wonder how you can throw out another crap Christian generalization? **** move on.

Atheists are bunch of **** pussies that haven't done **** in comparison to Christianity to advance humanity.

SG, are you experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling?


Voltaire alone is worth more than your sorry-ass recycled Egyptian sun god myth.

Nice deflection pussy. No substance to your reply. I have read Voltaire.

Please give us the web page you are quoting. Fucking weak. Did D1 help you with the reply?

[houndawg]

SG, are you experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling?


Voltaire alone is worth more than your sorry-ass recycled Egyptian sun god myth.

Nice deflection pussy. No substance to your reply. I have read Voltaire.

Please give us the web page you are quoting. **** weak. Did D1 help you with the reply?

You're the one that thinks virgins have babies and dead people fly up into the sky after walking out of their tomb. Silly bitch.

[SeattleGriz]

Nice deflection pussy. No substance to your reply. I have read Voltaire.

Please give us the web page you are quoting. **** weak. Did D1 help you with the reply?

You're the one that thinks virgins have babies and dead people fly up into the sky after walking out of their tomb. Silly bitch.

So small minded. And atheism give us what?

[CID1990]

Sometimes I pay attention and sometimes I don't. But I've paid attention enough to know they don't typically preach hatred. Some may. But none that I've been to. I've never heard any of the preachers preach that homosexuals are not "equal." They preach that homosexual behavior is sinful.

This is the gist of what I get from listening to them: We are all equal in that none of us deserve salvation. All of us are sinners and there is no way we can every "earn" salvation through our "works." Jesus Christ died on the cross to redeem all of us so that we can have the salvation; which I think is going to heaven. But if you follow Jesus Christ you're going to at least try to avoid certain things. And one of them is homosexual behavior.

And of COURSE they believe that marriage is between one man and one woman.

John, first you have to look at the time the bible was first spoken. At that time, yo had several small communites. The first thing was to get married and have children. at the end of the day, Two gay people can't make baby......PERIOD. How is the community going to survive? That may sound so simple minded now, but in 2000 B.C., they took that very serious. To back that up, look at communites that have small population at that time, and they two were against the gay life style. The bigger the city, the more homosexuality you saw, Rome, Athens. But now in 2013, I could give a damn if two men wat to get married. I dont care. In fact, gay men make great neighbors. I used to live next to two gay men and they were so of the best people I knew.

Holy shit Klean.

Did you really just write this lucid, succinct and thoughtful post?


Sent from the center of the universe.

[JohnStOnge]

They're Christians John. By definition they're gullible and prone to believing nonsense.

Everybody takes many things on faith. Like look at all the people who don't realize that homosexuality is sick just because that's what those dominating the fields of psychiatry and psychology say. They have faith in the "scientists." So they believe what they say and even proudly parrot it in order to show how enlightened they are when it's obviously nonsense.

Just like in the Emperor's New Clothes fable.

[D1B]

I don't know about the homosexual lifestyle stuff in general but I agree with the "make a baby" thing being key to the existence of the institution of marriage. That, I think, is why it exists. Whether it was marriage involving one man and one woman or marriage involving one man having multiple wives. The reason, I think, the concept evolved is that it provided a stable environment in which children were produced and nurtured biologically. And that fact is not altered by the fact that it's possible for males and females to get married under circumstances in which there is no chance that they will have children.

I think it's absolutely absurd to be even talking about "marriage" encompassing two members of the same sex. But that in itself isn't my issue with homosexuality.

My issue is more "global." To me it's a classic example of egalitarianism corrupting rational thought starting with the process that led the American Psychiatric Association removing homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. A body of practitioners of science...or pseudo science...cast objectivity aside in order to promote egaltiarianism. They declared that people who are obviously sick are not sick.

And it went from there. Then we went into decades of indoctrination of young people in schools and such. There was no defense because the experts had spoken. Never mind that the objectivity of the experts had been compromised by their philosophical orientation.

If people believe "the experts" when it comes to homosexuality...if they believe that having a preference for members of your own sex is not disfunctional because "the experts say so"...they will believe anything. They have cast their own critical thinking ability away. As I've said before, it reminds me of the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. People have been told what the "enlightened" view is. So they have adopted it. Never mind that it is obviously a crock.

They're Christians John. By definition they're gullible and prone to believing nonsense.

This is exactly what Nietzche was getting at - christianity creates dependent and weak people. Sure enough, Hitler, Mao and Stalin proved him to be right.

There is nothing better for a tyrant than a populace trained to believe nonsense. It's no wonder, the world greatest tyrants and abominal social theories were birthed and flourished in christian nations.