Gas v. Electric v. Water v. NG for cars

[grizzaholic]

Me, I like burning gas and oil. It seems to work great. I put it in my vehicle and it goes down the road. Why do we need to even discuss this....Spandos... We seem to have a fairly good grasp on how this oil thing works so why change?

[grizzaholic]

Oh, and we should be eating corn and using the rest for feed, NOT making ethanol. What a waste.

[expandspanos]

Me, I like burning gas and oil. It seems to work great. I put it in my vehicle and it goes down the road. Why do we need to even discuss this....Spandos... We seem to have a fairly good grasp on how this oil thing works so why change?

Well, obviously people would rather be feeding their families than bending over paying a kings ransom to move their ass down the road.

Obviously we are being ripped off when a teenager can build an electric vehicle that cost 2 cents a mile to opperate:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9d3wAjdknA[/youtube]

You're telling me the billion dollar think tanks sitting in the plush boardrooms and engineers at Ford, GM, etc. can't build us a car that doesn't bend everybody over and rob them of their hard earned income?.. as gas climbs higher and higher and higher?

[grizzaholic]

I don't think gas is all that bad. It is, what, 3 bucks a gallon? Let me know when NASCAR, INDY, air shows, Monster Truck races, boat racing, drag racing, ( I know I am leaving a ton out ) stop happening and then I will "THINK" about what to do. Oil will be around in stockpiles until we all have those fancy dancy cars from Demolition Man.

[expandspanos]

I don't think gas is all that bad. It is, what, 3 bucks a gallon? Let me know when NASCAR, INDY, air shows, Monster Truck races, boat racing, drag racing, ( I know I am leaving a ton out ) stop happening and then I will "THINK" about what to do. Oil will be around in stockpiles until we all have those fancy dancy cars from Demolition Man.

Here gas is $4.50 and rising daily.

[grizzaholic]

I don't think gas is all that bad. It is, what, 3 bucks a gallon? Let me know when NASCAR, INDY, air shows, Monster Truck races, boat racing, drag racing, ( I know I am leaving a ton out ) stop happening and then I will "THINK" about what to do. Oil will be around in stockpiles until we all have those fancy dancy cars from Demolition Man.

Here gas is $4.50 and rising daily.

...really I am not saying you are a fibbing, but if that is true, I will wait until I get confirmation from SD or SH or one of the other S's.

[ASUG8]

A car buyer who lays out an extra $6,200 extra to buy the hybrid version of the Lexus RX will get the money back in gas savings within five years, according to Consumer Reports magazine, but only if gasoline averages $8.77 a gallon. Otherwise, the nonhybrid RX 350 is a better buy than the Hybrid 450h, the magazine says. The hybrid gets 26 miles per gallon, and the nonhybrid, 21, in the magazine’s calculation.

The magazine’s annual New Car Buying Guide includes a table that compares several hybrid cars with their nonhybrid versions, or, in the case of cars that come only in hybrid models, to similar cars by the same manufacturer that are not hybrids.

For example, the Honda Insight comes only in a hybrid version, so it was compared with the nonhybrid Honda Fit; gasoline would have to rise to $10.08 to even out the extra expense, Consumer Reports said. The Insight sells for $22,010 and the Fit for $16,260.

The researchers use a five-year payback period because that is a typical duration for car ownership. It assumed that the driver would log 12,000 miles a year and pay $2.80 a gallon, a price that now looks a bit on the low side.

The Toyota Prius, the most popular hybrid, did far better in the magazine’s comparison. Consumer Reports paired it with the Toyota Corolla LE, comparing the hybrid’s 44 miles per gallon and purchase price of $22,950 with the Corolla’s $17,950 list price and 32 miles per gallon. The Prius will cost less over a five-year period as long as the price of gasoline averages only 80 cents a gallon, the magazine calculated.

For some models, the choice is close to neutral from a financial point of view. The Ford Escape hybrid would cost $500 more over five years, but would break even if gasoline prices averaged $3.60. The Toyota Camry hybrid would save $500 over five years by comparison with the Camry LE 4-cylinder and remains a better deal if the price of gasoline averages just $1.92.

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[HI54UNI]

Me, I like burning gas and oil. It seems to work great. I put it in my vehicle and it goes down the road. Why do we need to even discuss this....Spandos... We seem to have a fairly good grasp on how this oil thing works so why change?

Well, obviously people would rather be feeding their families than bending over paying a kings ransom to move their ass down the road.

Obviously we are being ripped off when a teenager can build an electric vehicle that cost 2 cents a mile to opperate:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9d3wAjdknA[/youtube]

You're telling me the billion dollar think tanks sitting in the plush boardrooms and engineers at Ford, GM, etc. can't build us a car that doesn't bend everybody over and rob them of their hard earned income?.. as gas climbs higher and higher and higher?

Nobody wants to ride in that death trap. They also want a/c, satellite radio, navigation, etc. and all of those use electricity.

Natural gas is the way to go. The infrastructure is generally already in place. You can also fuel up quickly, not wait 20-40-60 minutes for a quick charge.

You want to get rich - figure out a way to economically store electricity on a large scale in a small foot print so electric cars work, energy from the worthless windmills can be stored, etc. You will make Bill Gates look like a pauper.

[SuperHornet]

Gas is near $4 in Lodi again, over $4 at at least premium and often mid-grade as well. Chevron is over at all grades. When it shot up, it REALLY shot up.

I agree with grizza about corn gas. Corn is for eating, and anything that takes away from eating (human or animal) is bad.

I don't know if anyone's perfected a safe way to burn methane (particularly without the smell associated with it), but choices would be good. The added competition should drive prices down, assuming the gas companies actually obey the law of supply and demand (which they haven't recently).

[grizzaholic]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

[HI54UNI]

Gas is near $4 in Lodi again, over $4 at at least premium and often mid-grade as well. Chevron is over at all grades. When it shot up, it REALLY shot up.

I agree with grizza about corn gas. Corn is for eating, and anything that takes away from eating (human or animal) is bad.

I don't know if anyone's perfected a safe way to burn methane (particularly without the smell associated with it), but choices would be good. The added competition should drive prices down, assuming the gas companies actually obey the law of supply and demand (which they haven't recently).

Actually one of the ethanol byproducts is distillers grain which is still used as animal feed so there is still food value. The biggest reason to dislike ethanol is the amount of water used in its production.

[HI54UNI]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

I don't disagree with you. Right now the only way an electric car is semi-useful is for commuting in stop and go traffic. As ASUG8 pointed out you are better off buying a fuel efficient regular vehicle if you want to save money.

My main reason for suggesting natural gas is because we have a lot of it and because it would be better than using electricity for vehicles. Plus we could tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves.

[grizzaholic]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

I don't disagree with you. Right now the only way an electric car is semi-useful is for commuting in stop and go traffic. As ASUG8 pointed out you are better off buying a fuel efficient regular vehicle if you want to save money.

My main reason for suggesting natural gas is because we have a lot of it and because it would be better than using electricity for vehicles. Plus we could tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves.

I tried to read ASUG6's post but all the numbers confused me. I took math 205 from OSBF in college.

I tell Trip to fuck off all the time.

[∞∞∞]

I think history will look back and see ethanol as one of our biggest energy failures.

[grizzaholic]

I think history will look back and see ethanol as one of our biggest energy failures.

[BDKJMU]

Gas is near $4 in Lodi again, over $4 at at least premium and often mid-grade as well. Chevron is over at all grades. When it shot up, it REALLY shot up.

I agree with grizza about corn gas. Corn is for eating, and anything that takes away from eating (human or animal) is bad.

I don't know if anyone's perfected a safe way to burn methane (particularly without the smell associated with it), but choices would be good. The added competition should drive prices down, assuming the gas companies actually obey the law of supply and demand (which they haven't recently).

Actually one of the ethanol byproducts is distillers grain which is still used as animal feed so there is still food value. The biggest reason to dislike ethanol is the amount of water used in its production.

So 40% of the nations corn crop goes to ethanol. Get a quarter of that back in animal feed. At the end of the day still leaves 30% going to ethanol- that is the biggest reason to dislike it. It drives up virtually all food prices.

[Vidav]

NSFW

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[AshevilleApp]

Gas is near $4 in Lodi again, over $4 at at least premium and often mid-grade as well. Chevron is over at all grades. When it shot up, it REALLY shot up.

I agree with grizza about corn gas. Corn is for eating, and anything that takes away from eating (human or animal) is bad.

I don't know if anyone's perfected a safe way to burn methane (particularly without the smell associated with it), but choices would be good. The added competition should drive prices down, assuming the gas companies actually obey the law of supply and demand (which they haven't recently).

Actually one of the ethanol byproducts is distillers grain which is still used as animal feed so there is still food value. The biggest reason to dislike ethanol is the amount of water used in its production.

Yes.

[ASUG8]

I don't disagree with you. Right now the only way an electric car is semi-useful is for commuting in stop and go traffic. As ASUG8 pointed out you are better off buying a fuel efficient regular vehicle if you want to save money.

My main reason for suggesting natural gas is because we have a lot of it and because it would be better than using electricity for vehicles. Plus we could tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves.

I tried to read ASUG6's post but all the numbers confused me. I took math 205 from OSBF in college.

I tell Trip to fuck off all the time.

There's no one on this board aside from OSBF himself that could pass that course. Maybe Opie.......

[grizzaholic]

I tried to read ASUG6's post but all the numbers confused me. I took math 205 from OSBF in college.

I tell Trip to fuck off all the time.

There's no one on this board aside from OSBF himself that could pass that course. Maybe Opie.......

You weren't there, so shut it. It was a very difficult class and I had to learn lots of new and exciting ways to make math so much easier.

[mrklean]

The Problem is not gas vs. water vs. electric, its really how much bang you get for your buck. Tell me when you can get a V6 at 40 MPG or a V6 /5.6 at 30 MPG. We have the tech to do it. and we all know why they won't. Trust me, THe V6 with 30 MPG has been invented. a while ago. FACT!!!!!

[CAA Flagship]

I think history will look back....

Does history ever look forward?

[grizzaholic]

The Problem is not gas vs. water vs. electric, its really how much bang you get for your buck. Tell me when you can get a V6 at 40 MPG or a V6 /5.6 at 30 MPG. We have the tech to do it. and we all know why they won't. Trust me, THe V6 with 30 MPG has been invented. a while ago. FACT!!!!!

If it is fact, post the facts



I don't care if you do or not. I will burn a bucket of gas in your honor today.

[GannonFan]

I think history will look back and see ethanol as one of our biggest energy failures.

No need to wait for that. We already recognize now it is one of our bigger energy failures. Trouble is convincing the politicians to just let it go - some just can't let go of that porkbarrel no matter how bad the policy is.

[kalm]

I think history will look back and see ethanol as one of our biggest energy failures.

No need to wait for that. We already recognize now it is one of our bigger energy failures. Trouble is convincing the politicians to just let it go - some just can't let go of that porkbarrel no matter how bad the policy is.

I wonder if Monsanto and other big AG have prospered from it?