No Billionaires

[89Hen]

So...conks and their presuppositions...?

I've noticed conks always...

[89Hen]

Progressives...

Your post ended before it started.

[kalm]

Progressives...

Your post ended before it started.

[HI54UNI]

Progressives believe in a strong middle class that makes enough wages to pay taxes and...

"We stand for a living wage.
Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations.

The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include:

enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--

a standard high enough to make morality possible,

to provide for education and recreation,

to care for immature members of the family,

to maintain the family during periods of sickness,

and to permit of reasonable saving for old age."

- Teddy Roosevelt

Your idea of what progressives want is flawed.

You forgot iphones, ipods, ipads, 20" spinners, quads, and a couple 55" flat screens. They NEED those things too.

Don't forget the 2500+ square foot house, tropical vacation each year, two SUVs, Xbox and PS3, designer clothes, and flat billed hats.

[Baldy]

Your post ended before it started.

Yes, that Teddy Roosevelt was one hell of a man....

I am greatly interested in the two memoirs you have sent me. They are very instructive, and, from the standpoint of our country, very ominous. You say that these people are not themselves responsible, that it is "society" that is responsible. I agree with you if you mean, as I suppose you do, that society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind. It is really extraordinary that our people refuse to apply to human beings such elementary knowledge as every successful farmer is obliged to apply to his own stock breeding. Any group of farmers who permitted their best stock not to breed, and let all the increase come from the worst stock, would be treated as fit inmates for an asylum. Yet we fail to understand that such conduct is rational compared to the conduct of a nation which permits unlimited breeding from the worst stocks, physically and morally, while it encourages or connives at the cold selfishness or the twisted sentimentality as a result of which the men and women ought to marry, and if married have large families, remain celebates or have no children or only one or two. Some day we will realize that the prime duty - the inescapable duty - of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong type. at all.

Hitler probably thought so too.

[Pwns]

Teddy was just going along with the scientific consensus of the day instead of just being an anti-science religious zealot like George W. Bush.

[Ivytalk]

Teddy Roosevelt: the nation's first Clinton Democrat.

[kalm]

Teddy Roosevelt: the nation's first Clinton Democrat.

Well you could say they both rode a moose!

[Ivytalk]

Teddy Roosevelt: the nation's first Clinton Democrat.

Well you could say they both rode a moose!

Ow! Do you mean Hillary or Monica?

[kalm]

Well you could say they both rode a moose!

Ow! Do you mean Hillary or Monica?

Did I say wildabeast?

[Grizalltheway]

You forgot iphones, ipods, ipads, 20" spinners, quads, and a couple 55" flat screens. They NEED those things too.

Don't forget the 2500+ square foot house, tropical vacation each year, two SUVs, Xbox and PS3, designer clothes, and flat billed hats.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

[kalm]

Don't forget the 2500+ square foot house, tropical vacation each year, two SUVs, Xbox and PS3, designer clothes, and flat billed hats.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

And who loaned them the money to afford those things? Why don't you guys want banks to make money?

[CAA Flagship]

Teddy Roosevelt: the nation's first Clinton Democrat.

Well you could say they both rode a moose!

[AZGrizFan]

Don't forget the 2500+ square foot house, tropical vacation each year, two SUVs, Xbox and PS3, designer clothes, and flat billed hats.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

Lighten up, Francis. Nobody is saying that's what TEDDY meant, but it sure as fuck is what they think they're entitled to today.

[Grizalltheway]

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

Lighten up, Francis. Nobody is saying that's what TEDDY meant, but it sure as fuck is what they think they're entitled to today.

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal, and you responded with your usual red herrings and hyperbole.

[HI54UNI]

Don't forget the 2500+ square foot house, tropical vacation each year, two SUVs, Xbox and PS3, designer clothes, and flat billed hats.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

No shit?!?!?!?.

[AZGrizFan]

Lighten up, Francis. Nobody is saying that's what TEDDY meant, but it sure as fuck is what they think they're entitled to today.

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal, and you responded with your usual red herrings and hyperbole.

I see what the problem is here...

[HI54UNI]

Lighten up, Francis. Nobody is saying that's what TEDDY meant, but it sure as fuck is what they think they're entitled to today.

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal, and you responded with your usual red herrings and hyperbole.

Then kalm can pay for it. I'm tired of paying for everyone else.

[89Hen]

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal

What I want is for liberals to call themselves liberals and get off their high horse with "progressive". Nobody is buying it.

[HI54UNI]

Yeah, I'm sure that's what ol' Teddy meant when he made that statement.

And who loaned them the money to afford those things? Why don't you guys want banks to make money?

That's the bank's problem. I wanted to let them fail.

[kalm]

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal

What I want is for liberals to call themselves liberals and get off their high horse with "progressive". Nobody is buying it.

I'm a progressive conservative liberal...independent.

[Grizalltheway]

Right, but I think kalm posted that to clarify what he wants as a progressive/liberal, and you responded with your usual red herrings and hyperbole.

Then kalm can pay for it. I'm tired of paying for everyone else.

Fine, then support economic policies that will stop and/or reverse the hollowing-out of the middle class.

[HI54UNI]

Then kalm can pay for it. I'm tired of paying for everyone else.

Fine, then support economic policies that will stop and/or reverse the hollowing-out of the middle class.

I do.

[JohnStOnge]

I do not believe in the "living wage" concept. But that's another topic. The point I was making is that our tax system is such that we depend on a relatively small percentage of the people making a whole lot. This guy wants to prevent people from making a whole lot. Restricting things like he said would not mean other people would make more money. The only thing it'd mean for sure is that, given the system we have, there would be less tax revenue.

Progressives believe in a strong middle class that makes enough wages to pay taxes and...

"We stand for a living wage.
Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations.

The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include:

enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--

a standard high enough to make morality possible,

to provide for education and recreation,

to care for immature members of the family,

to maintain the family during periods of sickness,

and to permit of reasonable saving for old age."

- Teddy Roosevelt

Your idea of what progressives want is flawed.

[JohnStOnge]

Fine, then support economic policies that will stop and/or reverse the hollowing-out of the middle class.

The idea that the middle class has been hollowed out is a myth. I'm about to get off but I guess maybe tomorrow I will once again post data and references from the CBO that incomes for the middle class have generally increased substantially in inflation adjusted terms since 1979 (which is for some reason the year the CBO likes to use as a starting point). It's probably come down some in recent years since the thing in 2008 but so has income of the upper class. Even with the decline of the past few years the middle class is better off in material terms now than it was in 1980 or 1990. Without looking I'd say probably not better off than it was in 2000 but it also hasn't declined all that much. The middle class has higher incomes now than it did in 1979, a higher home ownership rate, more "toys", and on and on.

It amazes me that anybody who was alive in the 1960s and 1970s can look at what life was like for a typical middle class family then and look at what it's like now and think the middle class is worse off now. Just ridiculous. But I guess if people say it enough on television people will think it's true.