New Game For Conks: SPENT - Living On $9 An Hour!

[Cap'n Cat]

One thing about Conks on this board that's been reaffirmed in this thread: They fight to the death to hate on folks not like them.

Poverty = moral weakness.

[Appaholic]

Compassion? Look, being a social worker is great, someone has to do it, But even you know that a good majority of the poeple that are in these situations ares there because of certain circumstances which they chose through thier decisions to live beyond thier means, dropping out of high school.college, etc.... Some people are set up for failure with shitty parents and they never have a chance, and those people I feel for. But even those sort of people can pull themselves up thier boot straps. It's happened before.

Example, I work with a woman. She went to Brown. Has a degree is Classical Piano. She's very intelligent, sharp, prompt, hard working woman. She chose to have sex with an illegal Mexican who was a drug dealer. Now she has three kids, he's been deported/incarcerated and she can't make ends meet. His family is poor and illegal so they aren't any help and her family isn't here to help. She luckily has a job with a great company but doesn't make enough to support herself, the three kids, the debt, etc... She made those decisions. For better or for worse.

Agree, except for the majority part. *Most of the working poor do pull themselves up and never step foot in our doors.

So what do we do with them?

Should we not provide modest resources to help someone who wants to turn their life around and make up for past mistakes?

So, they make a mistake: Why is it required (by conkaholics) that they pay for said mistake for eternity?

What about their children, who did not make those decisions?

Take care of the children and sterilize the parents....

[Cap'n Cat]

Take care of the children and sterilize the parents....

Next step for Conk policy. It's coming...........

[Ibanez]

Compassion? Look, being a social worker is great, someone has to do it, But even you know that a good majority of the poeple that are in these situations ares there because of certain circumstances which they chose through thier decisions to live beyond thier means, dropping out of high school.college, etc.... Some people are set up for failure with shitty parents and they never have a chance, and those people I feel for. But even those sort of people can pull themselves up thier boot straps. It's happened before.

Example, I work with a woman. She went to Brown. Has a degree is Classical Piano. She's very intelligent, sharp, prompt, hard working woman. She chose to have sex with an illegal Mexican who was a drug dealer. Now she has three kids, he's been deported/incarcerated and she can't make ends meet. His family is poor and illegal so they aren't any help and her family isn't here to help. She luckily has a job with a great company but doesn't make enough to support herself, the three kids, the debt, etc... She made those decisions. For better or for worse.

Compassion and toughness, Ibanez.

*You know that nothing burns a social worker more than some fuckhead working the system.

I undertand that. It is shame that fucks that like scam the system.

[Ibanez]

Compassion? Look, being a social worker is great, someone has to do it, But even you know that a good majority of the poeple that are in these situations ares there because of certain circumstances which they chose through thier decisions to live beyond thier means, dropping out of high school.college, etc.... Some people are set up for failure with shitty parents and they never have a chance, and those people I feel for. But even those sort of people can pull themselves up thier boot straps. It's happened before.

Example, I work with a woman. She went to Brown. Has a degree is Classical Piano. She's very intelligent, sharp, prompt, hard working woman. She chose to have sex with an illegal Mexican who was a drug dealer. Now she has three kids, he's been deported/incarcerated and she can't make ends meet. His family is poor and illegal so they aren't any help and her family isn't here to help. She luckily has a job with a great company but doesn't make enough to support herself, the three kids, the debt, etc... She made those decisions. For better or for worse.

Agree, except for the majority part. *Most of the working poor do pull themselves up and never step foot in our doors.

So what do we do with them?

Should we not provide modest resources to help someone who wants to turn their life around and make up for past mistakes?

So, they make a mistake: Why is it required (by conkaholics) that they pay for said mistake for eternity?

What about their children, who did not make those decisions?

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

[Ibanez]

Take care of the children and sterilize the parents....

Next step for Conk policy. It's coming...........

It is interesting that people like J.P. Morgan, JOhn Kellog and Margret Sanger (Planned Parenthood for those too lazy research) were involved with the American Eugenics Society. Look up the Society's history. Lot's of Ivy Leaguers in the early years. America was sterilizing it's citizens in the 1930's and continued until the 1970's.(We even engaged in some of the same practices that Nazi Germany was engaging in. )

[D1B]

One thing about Conks on this board that's been reaffirmed in this thread: They fight to the death to hate on folks not like them.

Poverty = moral weakness.

They're "splitters".

Splitting is a Freudian defense mechanism in which an object or idea (or, alternatively, the ego) is separated into two or more parts in order to remove its threatening meaning. Freud referred to splitting as a mental process by which two separate and contradictory versions of reality could co-exist. This conceptualization of splitting defines an ego that allows reality to be both acknowledged and denied. Splitting is a defense mechanism present in all narcissists and codependents. They see people and situations in black and white terms, all bad or all good, with no shades of gray.

[D1B]

Agree, except for the majority part. *Most of the working poor do pull themselves up and never step foot in our doors.

So what do we do with them?

Should we not provide modest resources to help someone who wants to turn their life around and make up for past mistakes?

So, they make a mistake: Why is it required (by conkaholics) that they pay for said mistake for eternity?

What about their children, who did not make those decisions?

Take care of the children and sterilize the parents....

Almost 11am! You're up early.

[D1B]

Agree, except for the majority part. *Most of the working poor do pull themselves up and never step foot in our doors.

So what do we do with them?

Should we not provide modest resources to help someone who wants to turn their life around and make up for past mistakes?

So, they make a mistake: Why is it required (by conkaholics) that they pay for said mistake for eternity?

What about their children, who did not make those decisions?

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

We don't coddle anyone, except the children.

The government doesn't either - since 1996 there are now strict work requirements and time limits for welfare. Conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

[kalm]

Agree, except for the majority part. *Most of the working poor do pull themselves up and never step foot in our doors.

So what do we do with them?

Should we not provide modest resources to help someone who wants to turn their life around and make up for past mistakes?

So, they make a mistake: Why is it required (by conkaholics) that they pay for said mistake for eternity?

What about their children, who did not make those decisions?

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

[Cap'n Cat]

I want some of that military and GE/corporate taxes welfare, too.

[D1B]

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:

PRWORA proposed TANF as AFDC’s replacement. The Congressional findings in PRWORA highlighted dependency, out-of-wedlock birth, and intergenerational poverty as the main contributors to a faulty system.[16] In instituting a block grant program, PRWORA granted states the ability to design their own systems, as long as states met a set of basic federal requirements. The bill's primary requirements and effects included:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.

In granting states wider latitude for designing their own programs, some states have decided to place additional requirements on recipients. Although the law placed a time limit for benefits supported by federal funds of no more than two consecutive years and no more than a collective total of five years over a lifetime, some states have enacted briefer limits. All states, however, have allowed exceptions with the intent of not punishing children because their parents have gone over their respective time limits. Federal requirements have ensured some measure of uniformity across states, but the block grant approach has led individual states to distribute federal money in different ways. Certain states more actively encourage education, others use the money to help fund private enterprises helping job seekers.

The legislation also greatly limited funds available for unmarried parents under 18, and restricted any funding to immigrants (legal or illegal).[4] Some state programs emphasized a shift towards work with names such as "Wisconsin Works" and "WorkFirst". Between 1997 and 2000, enormous numbers of the poor have left or been terminated from the program, with a national drop of 53% in total recipients.[17]

Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

[Cap'n Cat]

Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

[kalm]

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:

PRWORA proposed TANF as AFDC’s replacement. The Congressional findings in PRWORA highlighted dependency, out-of-wedlock birth, and intergenerational poverty as the main contributors to a faulty system.[16] In instituting a block grant program, PRWORA granted states the ability to design their own systems, as long as states met a set of basic federal requirements. The bill's primary requirements and effects included:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.

In granting states wider latitude for designing their own programs, some states have decided to place additional requirements on recipients. Although the law placed a time limit for benefits supported by federal funds of no more than two consecutive years and no more than a collective total of five years over a lifetime, some states have enacted briefer limits. All states, however, have allowed exceptions with the intent of not punishing children because their parents have gone over their respective time limits. Federal requirements have ensured some measure of uniformity across states, but the block grant approach has led individual states to distribute federal money in different ways. Certain states more actively encourage education, others use the money to help fund private enterprises helping job seekers.

The legislation also greatly limited funds available for unmarried parents under 18, and restricted any funding to immigrants (legal or illegal).[4] Some state programs emphasized a shift towards work with names such as "Wisconsin Works" and "WorkFirst". Between 1997 and 2000, enormous numbers of the poor have left or been terminated from the program, with a national drop of 53% in total recipients.[17]

Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

[Cap'n Cat]

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:



Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

Man, kalmer, pursue it if you think you are. I think you're doing an apples and oranges thing here, but.......

[Ibanez]

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

It is for those that are abusing it. Unemployment benefits aren't supposed to sustain your life indefinetly. It's there to help you until you get back on your feet. I also understand that finding a job is difficult right now and that unemployment pays more than the night shift at Arbys (at least that is what I'm told).

[Ibanez]

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:



Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

What a stupid comment. That's like asking if we are all coddled b/c we use state/federally funded roads.

[Ibanez]

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:

PRWORA proposed TANF as AFDC’s replacement. The Congressional findings in PRWORA highlighted dependency, out-of-wedlock birth, and intergenerational poverty as the main contributors to a faulty system.[16] In instituting a block grant program, PRWORA granted states the ability to design their own systems, as long as states met a set of basic federal requirements. The bill's primary requirements and effects included:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.

In granting states wider latitude for designing their own programs, some states have decided to place additional requirements on recipients. Although the law placed a time limit for benefits supported by federal funds of no more than two consecutive years and no more than a collective total of five years over a lifetime, some states have enacted briefer limits. All states, however, have allowed exceptions with the intent of not punishing children because their parents have gone over their respective time limits. Federal requirements have ensured some measure of uniformity across states, but the block grant approach has led individual states to distribute federal money in different ways. Certain states more actively encourage education, others use the money to help fund private enterprises helping job seekers.

The legislation also greatly limited funds available for unmarried parents under 18, and restricted any funding to immigrants (legal or illegal).[4] Some state programs emphasized a shift towards work with names such as "Wisconsin Works" and "WorkFirst". Between 1997 and 2000, enormous numbers of the poor have left or been terminated from the program, with a national drop of 53% in total recipients.[17]

Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

I'm not a "conk" but I don't think they want to hate people. They want people to take responsibilty for their actions and thier lives. They'll give a helping hand but expect you to get on your feet and off the public assistance. Leave the public assistance funds for those that need it. When you no longer need it, get off of it so that I can go to help a family that is really struggling.

I'm sure you are familiar with Old Dirty Bastard and his welfare checks. (or was it Social Security benefits? )

[TheDancinMonarch]

I'm not a "conk" but I don't think they want to hate people. They want people to take responsibilty for their actions and thier lives. They'll give a helping hand but expect you to get on your feet and off the public assistance. Leave the public assistance funds for those that need it. When you no longer need it, get off of it so that I can go to help a family that is really struggling.

Hear hear!! +100

[Appaholic]

I am all for having a system that HELPS people get back on thier feet. I think it's vital. Shit happens. No matter your mistakes, every deserves a chance. But at some point, we have to cut them off and make people accountable. At some point, the 2nd, 3rd...8th chances are wasted on some people. THe children suffer, no doubt. I'm not a social worker so I trust you have better insight into the programs provided. We should help, but we aren't helping by coddling them and keeping them on unemployment for 99+ weeks.

So unemployment is welfare too? Damn, I want a piece of Wall Street's federal welfare program. Granted it's more expensive, but it's running longer than 99 weeks.

(ftr, I think welfare should be workfare)

No more than SS is welfare. See, when I (and my employer on my behalf) pay into a system as a safety net, then I expect to receive said entitlements when I need them (ie; lose my job). However, when you pay nothing into the system and consistently draw on the system, that's welfare. There's a difference. It's not right that Wall Street got bailed out and it's not right that people stay on unemployment into perpetuity beyond what they have paid into....nice deflection try, though....

[Appaholic]

It pretty much is. Again, conks fail to recognize this. They just want to hate people.

Here's the specific legislation:



Again, conks don't want to recognize this. Conks just want to hate people, especially minorities.

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

Do you have an income? Do you pay taxes on that income? If yes, then no. If no, then yes, it's welfare....

[kalm]

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

What a stupid comment. That's like asking if we are all coddled b/c we use state/federally funded roads.

You're very close to getting it at this point.

[kalm]

So if I'm a farmer in Central Washington using land, irrigation water, and navigable water ways made possible by the Army Corp of Engineer's Columbia Basin Reclamation project and have the benefit of federal crop subsidies and insurance am I being coddled? Should I not feel entitled to these? Just askin.

Do you have an income? Do you pay taxes on that income? If yes, then no. If no, then yes, it's welfare....

Not only that, it's generational dependence. My grandpappy, dad, me, and my children combined couldn't have paid for Grand Coulee Dam with our taxes. Nor could we afford the caddy or the trips to Cabo in the winter. God Bless the free market!

[Ibanez]

What a stupid comment. That's like asking if we are all coddled b/c we use state/federally funded roads.

You're very close to getting it at this point.

To getting what? That mentality?

[kalm]

You're very close to getting it at this point.

To getting what? That mentality?

Ugh, no. You're regressing now.

Go read Catamount Man's post on page 3. He pretty much nails it. The problem isn't government, the problem is inefficient government that's manipulated by rich and poor, Democrats and Republicans. We need a serious overhaul. Things won't really improve that much until it happens. I don't think it will happen until the shit really hits the fan.