ODUalum11 wrote:
TAMU's relationship with UTexas must be really soar if that is the main reason they are leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. Part of me can't blame them though because when the Longhorns launch their network it will pretty suffocate every other FBS school in the state. No body will be able to compete with that and will give the Longhorns a huge edge in numerous areas. However, good luck to TAMU. They were barely competitive in the Big 12 against additional schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, etc. Good luck in the SEC if this is passed. They are throwing themselves to the wolves of college football.
they really just seem like a jilted lover looking for attention. They took two losses to the SEC West last season. I wish em luck. I have a sweet spot in my heart for the Aggies.
I wish them the best of luck also, I'd hate to see them join the SEC and struggle.
According to Joe Schaad, Big 12 replacements could be Louisville, BYU, Houston, Air Force, and believe it or not TCU. Wouldn't that go over well with the Big East if TCU decided to leave for the Big 12 before even playing one athletic event in the big east? However, the Big 12 would be a better fit for TCU.
Here's a statement the SEC released on Sunday afternoon. It quotes Bernie Machen, the Florida president and chairman of the SEC presidents and chancellors council:
“The SEC Presidents and Chancellors met today and reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment. We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league. We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M.”
IMO, A&M was denied simply because the SEC does not have that 14th team at this point. You can't expand to 13 teams if you are the SEC. That makes no sense whatsoever. If they can get a 14th team to commit, then I'd guess this will be back on.
IMO, A&M was denied simply because the SEC does not have that 14th team at this point.
Exactly correct. Remember that Texas A&M would be moving to the SEC West, so the 14th team would likely need to be an ACC team (Clemson or Florida State or Virginia Tech). Missouri would have been ready, but that's not an SEC East team.
Expect to hear from this again...possibly later this summer. If not -- next year for sure.
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rebla 49er wrote:
Exactly correct. Remember that Texas A&M would be moving to the SEC West, so the 14th team would likely need to be an ACC team (Clemson or Florida State or Virginia Tech). Missouri would have been ready, but that's not an SEC East team.
It wouldn't have to be an east coast team.
Missouri and Texas A&M could move to the SEC West. Alabama and Auburn could move to the SEC East.
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Or five years from now. Or on Labor Day. Or December 21, '12. Or in a millenia. It's just all so ridiculous...ESPN was reporting TAMU going to the SEC as fact yesterday on their front page, and now they're reporting TAMU isn't going to the SEC. The sports world seriously freaks out when any reallignment is mentioned...it's pretty funny.
Missouri and Texas A&M could move to the SEC West. Alabama and Auburn could move to the SEC East.
I think it would have be a team that wants to move to the SEC East. Sorry but Alabama & Auburn aren't gonna want to move like that.
Remember the hissy fit that the Pac-12 schools started when the California programs were split up?? And that was when they didn't even have divisions before that!!
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Well, for now. Could change on Tuesday.
Or five years from now. Or on Labor Day. Or December 21, '12. Or in a millenia. It's just all so ridiculous...ESPN was reporting TAMU going to the SEC as fact yesterday on their front page, and now they're reporting TAMU isn't going to the SEC. The sports world seriously freaks out when any reallignment is mentioned...it's pretty funny.
as they should because ESPN is reporting it like it was a done deal. They have done this numerous times where they report something that they think its a done deal and then it turns out not to happen or it was just a rumor. Everybody had a right to act like they did...TAMU to the SEC would have been the brink of complete mayhem in college sports. As for ESPN, I'm done listening to them.
And I don't know about anybody else but I think 4 super conferences is inevitable. Like it was said earlier, I think this was more of the SEC not being able to find a 14th member.
It's very hard to just ignore a multi-billion dollar entertainment company that has the rights to....well just about everything in college football. ESPN is ubiquitous.
Just look how they almost changed the entire face of college football with the LHN. To be honest, I'm surprised we don't see the ACC or the SEC work on a network of their own. Why let a third-party take all your advertising rights and dictate a narrative to which you are constantly brown nosing.
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ODUalum11 wrote:
And I don't know about anybody else but I think 4 super conferences is inevitable. Like it was said earlier, I think this was more of the SEC not being able to find a 14th member.
How could this be? Doug Foolerton, commissioner of the BSC claims 13 members is divine and he needs a raise.
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Superconferences are bound to fail. The government is already mulling the idea of destroying the BCS, and this would only give them a stronger case that a select few schools and businesses have monopolized collegiate athletics and the spirit of student competition. And if the BCS is killed off (whether before or after superconferences are formed), then there'll be absolutely no reason for these superconferences to exist.
∞∞∞ wrote:Superconferences are bound to fail. The government is already mulling the idea of destroying the BCS, and this would only give them a stronger case that a select few schools and businesses have monopolized collegiate athletics and the spirit of student competition. And if the BCS is killed off (whether before or after superconferences are formed), then there'll be absolutely no reason for these superconferences to exist.
I dont know, I think its an arms race between the conferences regardless of the BCS or not. College sports will still be driven on money with or without the flawed BCS system.
Texas television network deal? Worth somewhere around $200 million. I believe more money equals better facilities for the student-athletes which means more high level recruits which obviously means better results on the fields and courts. Schools are going to run towards the conferences in which they think will help them generate the most revenue. ODU fans can look no further than the CAA.
And when do you really think the government is gonna step in and blow up the BCS? Why does the BCS need to exist for their to be 4 super conferences? Being in one of the 4 super conferences will still give a team the best chance to make the playoffs just like how being in a BCS conference in college basketball helps a school get into the NCAA tournament. IMO, I hope the Government doesn't step in and get rid of the BCS because there are more important things for them to worry about.
Funny enough, ESPN is one of the roadblocks to this not happening yet. There's a clause in the Big 12/ESPN contract that if the conference falls below 10 teams, it becomes voided and ESPN doesn't have to pay a cent more of their $65 million a year deal. Also under the ESPN/SEC contract, adding A&M would require ESPN to pony up more money to the conference for the rights fees and considering they would add the Texas market to the conference, it would be a lot of money.
The SEC's statement today was partially trying to say that this wasn't their idea to avoid being liable. If the SEC invited them today and ESPN voided the Big 12's contract, everyone involved would sue and countersue each other. If the TA&M Board of Regents vote to SECede on Monday and petetion the SEC for membership, then the SEC has plausible deniability and can go ahead.
That's what sports writers are meaning when they their sources are telling them A&M needs "to get their house in order before they leave".
ODUalum11 wrote:And when do you really think the government is gonna step in and blow up the BCS? Why does the BCS need to exist for their to be 4 super conferences? Being in one of the 4 super conferences will still give a team the best chance to make the playoffs just like how being in a BCS conference in college basketball helps a school get into the NCAA tournament. IMO, I hope the Government doesn't step in and get rid of the BCS because there are more important things for them to worry about.
We have 15 departments exactly for the reason that the government can worry about many things at once, so there's no reason they shouldn't step in. The BCS is a for-profit organization that might be creating a monopoly in college athletics, which would be completely illegal under federal laws. I'd be concerned if the Justice Department doesn't at least investigates the BCS. If they don't, then the government wouldn't be doing the job we citizens have paid them to do (in this case dealing with antitrust laws).
And I never said anything about playoffs. I don't think there'll be any playoffs if the BCS is broken apart; the government doesn't have the power to force it and the bowls still make the most financial sense. If the BCS ceases to exist, we'll probably see a return of something similar to the 80s and early 90s bowl system, which is why superconferences wouldn't make sense anymore.
ODUalum11 wrote:And when do you really think the government is gonna step in and blow up the BCS? Why does the BCS need to exist for their to be 4 super conferences? Being in one of the 4 super conferences will still give a team the best chance to make the playoffs just like how being in a BCS conference in college basketball helps a school get into the NCAA tournament. IMO, I hope the Government doesn't step in and get rid of the BCS because there are more important things for them to worry about.
We have 15 departments exactly for the reason that the government can worry about many things at once, so there's no reason they shouldn't step in. The BCS is a for-profit organization that might be creating a monopoly in college athletics, which would be completely illegal under federal laws. I'd be concerned if the Justice Department doesn't at least investigates the BCS. If they don't, then the government wouldn't be doing the job we citizens have paid them to do (in this case dealing with antitrust laws).
And I never said anything about playoffs. I don't think there'll be any playoffs if the BCS is broken apart; the government doesn't have the power to force it and the bowls still make the most financial sense. If the BCS ceases to exist, we'll probably see a return of something similar to the 80s and early 90s bowl system, which is why superconferences wouldn't make sense anymore.
I know you didnt say anything about playoffs but if the BCS is broken up then I'm willing to bet that there will be some sort of playoff system. IMO, the NCAA is in it to make money so I still think 4 super conferences is inevitable. There has been talk about the BCS getting broken up as we all know but at the same time we can all admit those talks havent been all that productive. I don't see the BCS conference getting broken up any time soon. Plus didn't ESPN just sign a contract with the BCS a couple years ago?
I see a long-term strategy that ends up with four 16 team conferences - wherein the champions of each meet in a playoff to determine the champion.
SEC (adding VA Tech, TAMU, Florida St and maybe Oklahoma)
Big 10 (adding Missouri, Pitt, and Kansas/K-State)
PAC 16 (adding Texas, Tx Tech, Kansas and K State or the Oklahomas)
ACC (which will eat about 5 Big East teams - USF, Syracuse, UConn, WVU and Rutgers)
just back-of-the-napkin thinking - but it makes a degree of sense
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I see a long-term strategy that ends up with four 16 team conferences - wherein the champions of each meet in a playoff to determine the champion.
SEC (adding VA Tech, TAMU, Florida St and maybe Oklahoma)
Big 10 (adding Missouri, Pitt, and Kansas/K-State)
PAC 16 (adding Texas, Tx Tech, Kansas and K State or the Oklahomas)
ACC (which will eat about 5 Big East teams - USF, Syracuse, UConn, WVU and Rutgers)
just back-of-the-napkin thinking - but it makes a degree of sense
It may make sense to normal people, but is surely will not go down that smoothly. Namely, the Big 10 has been really high and mighty about who they add to their conference, and going along with that line of thinking, there is no way in hell that schools like K-state and KU would be admitted into the big ten.
DJH wrote:
It may make sense to normal people, but is surely will not go down that smoothly. Namely, the Big 10 has been really high and mighty about who they add to their conference, and going along with that line of thinking, there is no way in hell that schools like K-state and KU would be admitted into the big ten.
K-State, sure. But, why not Kansas? Seems to me like they'd be perfect for the Big 10.
Great midwestern basketball, shitty football, AAU membership.
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However, the Big 12 would be a better fit for TCU.
