Police dressed as protestors with rocks caught! SPP Protest

[expandspanos]

Well, I've spent 3 years looking into the largest attack in our nation's history, and you've spent admittedly no time looking into it.. maybe you should listen a little?

[FormerPokeCenter]

1600 claims were paid, averaging 1.8 million dollars per family, to the survivors of those who perished on 9/11, through Victim's Compensation Fund established by Congress...

I'm not sure what the 911 " Truther" is talking about...

[grizzaholic]

Fema was in New Orleans on 8/28/2005 and Hurricane Katrina hit the following day. Clearly, they've developed some sort of weather weapon they were testing that day, right????

The Russians and the Chinese have one of those weather thingies so why not the good ol' U.S.A.?

[Grizalltheway]

Well, I've spent 3 years looking into the largest attack in our nation's history, and you've spent admittedly no time looking into it.. maybe you should listen a little?

I haven't been able to watch all of your little youtube clips at work, but from what I can tell, you've yet to cite a source that any reasonable person would call objective and credible. Maybe you can see why nobody takes you seriously on this?

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FEMA in Manhattan the day before 9/11

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[grizzaholic]

FEMA in Manhattan the day before 9/11

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So FEMA is going around the country blowing up buildings? This is all starting to make sense.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, I've spent 3 years looking into the largest attack in our nation's history, and you've spent admittedly no time looking into it.. maybe you should listen a little?

Correction, you've spent three years cherrypicking crackpot data to believe. If you were objective and actually looked into it, instead of repeating the Lunatic Fringe Catechism you throw out there, you'd see that virtually all of the stuff you rely upon to "prove" your premise is bullshit....

Like the SSDI issue. You don't even know enough to know how the SSDI works nor what factors might influence who's listed there.. I was serious about consulting somebody who does Genealogy Research. They can tell you the ins and outs of virtually EVERY information service out there that tracks dead people,

If you wre SERiOUS about your inquity into 9/11, you'd ask yourself hard questions, instead of simply kneeling and fellating every crackpot theory out there....

[ASUG8]

Well, I've spent 3 years looking into the largest attack in our nation's history, and you've spent admittedly no time looking into it.. maybe you should listen a little?

I'm not saying you're completely full of crap, and I'm an objective enough person to entertain a credible argument if it merits it. I asked you a few questions just like I did with my friend the other night and I get video responses or "the math doesn't work" type answers - when asked what doesn't work, I get more video responses or references to other examples of a "New World Order". All I can say is that ten years post attack you and your minions haven't been terribly successful in proving it to 300 million + Americans, much less the balance of the folks on the planet. Try harder.

If you don't trust the government completely, that's cool - I don't either, but likely for different reasons. I'm also old enough to watch them fail badly at much less extraordinary endeavors. If you think they could fool that many people (under the leadership of a President some believe was our country's most inept) then you clearly have more faith in the abilities of our government than I do.

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Well, I've spent 3 years looking into the largest attack in our nation's history, and you've spent admittedly no time looking into it.. maybe you should listen a little?

I'm not saying you're completely full of crap, and I'm an objective enough person to entertain a credible argument if it merits it. I asked you a few questions just like I did with my friend the other night and I get video responses or "the math doesn't work" type answers - when asked what doesn't work, I get more video responses or references to other examples of a "New World Order". All I can say is that ten years post attack you and your minions haven't been terribly successful in proving it to 300 million + Americans, much less the balance of the folks on the planet. Try harder.

If you don't trust the government completely, that's cool - I don't either, but likely for different reasons. I'm also old enough to watch them fail badly at much less extraordinary endeavors. If you think they could fool that many people (under the leadership of a President some believe was our country's most inept) then you clearly have more faith in the abilities of our government than I do.

I really think that's cool that you're keeping an open mind.

However,

2.3 Trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon budget the day before 9/11 is a fact.

Norman Minetta's testimony under oath that Dick Cheney gave multiple stand-down orders concerning the object approaching the Pentagon is not a video, (although it is also documented as video evidence under oath).. it is a fact.

The fact that the Patriot Act restricting our liberties was written well in advance of 9/11 is not a video.

The fact that the alleged hijackers were Supposedly mostly Saudis and we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, Yemen and Pakistan is not a video.

The fact that no video shows any plane hitting the pentagon is not a video.

The fact that the world's most sophisticated air defense system in the world failed to stop one slow moving commercial jet over the most protected piece of airspace in the world is not a video.

The fact that most of the people who were said to have died on 9/11 don't exist in the SSDI is not a video.

The fact that temperatures much higher than what jet fuel can produce were observed at the WTC complex for months afterwards, even though it had rained several times is not a video.

[AZGrizFan]

2.3 Trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon budget the day before 9/11 is a fact.

I'll take this one.

NYET. It wasn't "missing from the pentagon budget." It was YEARS worth of transactions that were not easily trackable because of the pentagon's antiquated tracking systems....and it was well known and being discussed as early as January of 2001. It wasn't some evil concoction thrust upon the American public and used as justification to attack the pentagon and/or the twin towers.

Now, is the money GONE? Who knows....more likely they're just not able to accurately tell you where the money WENT.

http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__ ... rilli.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

January 7, 2001
The Defense Department's inspector general recently identified $6.9 trillion in accounting entries, but $2.3 trillion was not supported by adequate audit trails or sufficient evidence to determine its validity.Another $2 trillion worth of entries were not examined because of time constraints, and therefore, the inspector general was able to audit only $2.6 trillion of accounting entries in a $6.9 trillion pot.
Contra Costa Times (California)

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Pentagon admits $2.3 Trillion missing and Rumsfeld calls it a matter of "life and death."

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CBS News Report: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/ ... 5985.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Donald Rumsfeld declares "War on Waste" 9/10/01
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Yes, I realize this is a video, but this can be verified easily.

The reason you friend was trying to show you a video is very simple.


A word is one word.

a picture is a thousand words

and a video is 100,000 words.

You watch probably 4 hours of video a day from mainstream media, why not watch you friends 15 minute video?

[FormerPokeCenter]

Mineta's testimony was NOT that Cheney issued stand down warnings on the incoming plane, it was that there were NO orders issued to shoot down an airliner full of civilians. Cheney and Mineta, in a command bunker with a direct line to Bush, were given updates as to the airliner's progress....50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out....An aide asked Cheney if the orders still stood when the plane was 10 miles out. MIneta testified that he wasn't privy to what those orders were. He'd just been summoned to the bunker, since he was transportation Secretary, and had grounded all civilian flights.

Geez, get your facts straight. You're stretching the record to fit what you want it to say, not basing your conclusion on what was actually said.

Some of the 911 hijackers were Saudis, sure. That's why Al Queda is a TRANSNATIONAL Terrorist ogranization. Some of them, including the ringleader, were staying at an apartment paid for by Iraq's Intelligence Service. Al Queda was hiding in Afghanistan. That's why we went in and took out the Taliban. Your point?

There's a video of a plane hitting the Pentagon. There are Eye Witness accounts.

"Slow Moving Jet liner?" Prior to 9/11 there was no plan in place to use AntiAircraft Defenses on Civilian Airliners....I believe there would have been fail safes in place to prevent just such an occurance from happening. Are you familiar with IFF beacons???

Most of the people who died left Social Security dependents. They WON"T be in the SSDI until their heirs STOP receiving SS benefits. THAT's a fact, Jack.

Jet fuel and other petroleum distillates and paper, and a tall building with a hollow core housing elevator and air shafts can combine to form a furnace, with the burning fuel mass can reach temperatures several times what the mere individual components can reach. Are you familiar with a device called a "Bellows?"

[expandspanos]

Mineta's testimony was NOT that Cheney issued stand down warnings on the incoming plane, it was that there were NO orders issued to shoot down an airliner full of civilians. Cheney and Mineta, in a command bunker with a direct line to Bush, were given updates as to the airliner's progress....50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out....An aide asked Cheney if the orders still stood when the plane was 10 miles out. MIneta testified that he wasn't privy to what those orders were. He'd just been summoned to the bunker, since he was transportation Secretary, and had grounded all civilian flights.

Geez, get your facts straight. You're stretching the record to fit what you want it to say, not basing your conclusion on what was actually said.

Some of the 911 hijackers were Saudis, sure. That's why Al Queda is a TRANSNATIONAL Terrorist ogranization. Some of them, including the ringleader, were staying at an apartment paid for by Iraq's Intelligence Service. Al Queda was hiding in Afghanistan. That's why we went in and took out the Taliban. Your point?

There's a video of a plane hitting the Pentagon. There are Eye Witness accounts.

"Slow Moving Jet liner?" Prior to 9/11 there was no plan in place to use AntiAircraft Defenses on Civilian Airliners....I believe there would have been fail safes in place to prevent just such an occurance from happening. Are you familiar with IFF beacons???

Most of the people who died left Social Security dependents. They WON"T be in the SSDI until their heirs STOP receiving SS benefits. THAT's a fact, Jack.

Jet fuel and other petroleum distillates and paper, and a tall building with a hollow core housing elevator and air shafts can combine to form a furnace, with the burning fuel mass can reach temperatures several times what the mere individual components can reach. Are you familiar with a device called a "Bellows?"

It's pretty clear what he's talking about:
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Decide for yourself.

[Col Hogan]

OMG!!!

I just read this entire thread...I'll never get that piece of my life back...

I just don't know what else to say...

[FormerPokeCenter]

Okay....let's examine ONE piece of your information at a time.

Let's start with the SSDI.

Is it or is it not a fact that the SSDI doesn't list individuals who've died and who've got dependents who are drawing SS benefits from what the deceased has paid in?

Follow the logic. You get listed on the SSDI if you were drawing SS and then you died. You also get listed if you're NOT drawing SS, but you die and then a dependent files a claim for SS benefits. The only catch is you don't get listed until AFTER their claims have prescribed.

Let's go for Baby Steps here.....is what I posted a fact, or not????

If you answer affirmatively, that it is a fact, then do you have any information on how many of the 9/11 Victims who left survivors eligibile for SS Claims are not listed in the SSDI?

If not, why not? Think about that one. I"m sure the you'll eventually have an epiphany!

[expandspanos]

Nice try.

Provide me with the names of the people you know are claiming are the relatives filing claims for each flight, as I have done, and we will be getting somewhere.

[OpieGSU]

Dude is effing up my gig as the craziest MFer here.
Rube swine.

[grizzaholic]

Dude is effing up my gig as the craziest MFer here.

[FormerPokeCenter]

You do realize that you'd need SSN's to compile the list you want, AND those are protected by things like the FCRA? The reason that you can cross check the list of 9/11 victims bs the SSDI is because those people who show up on your list left no dependents who filed claims.

Holy Inverse Premise Batman!

No offense but you don't even understand the data you're dealing with and how it was obtained....

[expandspanos]

Is it possible we are all being lied to on a massive scale?

These are the 9/11 vicsims.. excuse me victims in the two photos shown to the public. Usually, only two photos of the victims could be found, and these were the only photos shown of who allegedly died.

Notice anything strange?
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[ASUG8]

Is it possible we are all being lied to on a massive scale?

These are the 9/11 vicsims.. excuse me victims in the two photos shown to the public. Usually, only two photos of the victims could be found, and these were the only photos shown of who allegedly died.

Notice anything strange?
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I don't see anything strange - you can go on any of your friends' FB pics and find similar photos from similar angles - I'm not sure where the conspiracy here is. People smile and face cameras when having pictures made, and there are differences in all of these pics.

[expandspanos]

Those were the only photos released.

What are the odds that out of two photos you would send into the news both would look that similar?

Zero.

9/11 Fake witnesses/ Paid Actors:
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[Grizalltheway]

spandex, if you truly believe that the US government masterminded 9/11, why did you give two shits whether or not they killed bin Laden? When the news came out, why didn't you just say 'Who cares? He had nothing to do with it, anyway'?


Edit-on second thought, I can't believe I'm sitting here expecting any kind of logical consistency from this rube.

[bandl]

OK, so let's just get to the bottom of this spandex...

Why?

Why has our gubmint done all this? It's a simple question, right?

Why?