September Clues is proof that media was involved in 9/11

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You really have nothing new on this? You are bringing up all the same stupid, debunked, hack conspiracy bullshit points of reference here huh?

You're going to take a beating of logic that you are not even close to prepared for.

You will look a gullible fool.

Most importantly, we will be chuckling the whole time, batting this shit out of the park, and you won't even be able to comprehend that you are being led around by a bunch of like minded gullible fucks.

Even if "Loose Change" came out and said "ah, we were just fucking with you" you would hang on to something that is not there. It's fantastic stupidity.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I do have a degree in mechanical engineering from the University of Wisconsin, but I only got a 3.5, so..

That's the scariest mother fucking sobering thing you've ever said on here.

Now I really do believe that there is a conspiracy to tear down buildings and structures in this country.

[native]

You dumb fvck. Why do you think we dump fuel before making an emergency landing?

The flash point of jet fuel is only 100 degrees farenheit. Even though the autoignition point is slightly above 400 degrees, considering the fact that a turbine engine combustion chamber reaches 3,000 degrees and the fact that disintegrating jet engines met with tons of jet fuel under increased pressure inside the confined spaces of the impact floors, it is not remarkable that the jets exploded upon impact with the Twin Towers.

This has nothing to do with the fact that the Tonkin Gulf incident was staged and used by Lyndon Johnson disingenuously.

That's crazy talk Native. The next thing your going to tell me is that we will someday be able to propel transportation vessels via an internal combustion engine based on those same principles.

I am just a wild and crazy guy!

[native]

You really have nothing new on this? You are bringing up all the same stupid, debunked, hack conspiracy bullshit points of reference here huh?

You're going to take a beating of logic that you are not even close to prepared for.

You will look a gullible fool.

Most importantly, we will be chuckling the whole time, batting this **** out of the park, and you won't even be able to comprehend that you are being led around by a bunch of like minded gullible ****.

Even if "Loose Change" came out and said "ah, we were just **** with you" you would hang on to something that is not there. It's fantastic stupidity.

...and wildly entertaining!

[FargoBison]

Well, yeah I can actually, during the Manhattan Project and all 130,000 people everybody kept their mouth shut just fine. With the compartmentalization of the military, you wouldn't need more than maybe 800 people in positions of power to pull off a false flag. If you were involved in a large crime, would you tell on yourself?

You really are going to compare this to the Manhattan Project? I'm sorry but the Manhattan Project didn't involve dropping the bomb in the middle of NYC, you are comparing apples to oranges. Try again....I'll be waiting to laugh at what else you can come up with.

[expandspanos]

Ok, here are my problems with 9/11:

1. Pentagon announced 2.3 trillion dollars missing the day before 9/11- that's 5 years budget for them, or 8,000 bucks out of your pocket.
2. The main "culprits" the Bin Laden family the ONLY people allowed to leave the country on 9/11.
3. Main "culprit" Bin Laden never found after 10 years of undeclared war, thousands of friendly deaths, Trillions of dollars and 1,000,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis casualties. Torra Borra my ass.
4. Four countries now invaded and occupied by us or drone aircraft (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan)..
5. Patriot Act written in advance of 9/11- what's the purpose exactly?.
6. No video evidence of a plane striking Pentagon, even though at least 40 cameras show the strike zone.
7. Loss of Habeus Corpus, increased domestic security state, loss of privacy, continued illegal undeclared and expanding global war on shadowy enemy all justified by a very sketchy apparent false flag attack.

[expandspanos]

I'm not a liar- I have worked as a technical writer for the UW Engineering dept, where I worked in the CAE building for two years next to the WiscDot people in the same building (which you would only know if you worked there).

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Ok, here are my problems with 9/11:

1. Pentagon announced 2.3 trillion dollars missing the day before 9/11- that's 5 years budget for them, or 8,000 bucks out of your pocket.
2. The main "culprits" the Bin Laden family the ONLY people allowed to leave the country on 9/11.
3. Main "culprit" Bin Laden never found after 10 years of undeclared war, thousands of friendly deaths, Trillions of dollars and 1,000,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis casualties. Torra Borra my ass.
4. Four countries now invaded and occupied by us or drone aircraft (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan)..
5. Patriot Act written in advance of 9/11- what's the purpose exactly?.
6. No video evidence of a plane striking Pentagon, even though at least 40 cameras show the strike zone.
7. Loss of Habeus Corpus, increased domestic security state, loss of privacy, continued illegal undeclared and expanding global war on shadowy enemy all justified by a very sketchy apparent false flag attack.

Here's why you conspiracy idiots cracks me up. You say that the Bin Laden's were allowed to leave on 9/11 when in fact they left the country 8 or 9 days later when flights were leaving everywhere across the country.

http://www.factcheck.org/article294.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[native]

Ok, here are my problems with 9/11:

1. Pentagon announced 2.3 trillion dollars missing the day before 9/11- that's 5 years budget for them, or 8,000 bucks out of your pocket.
2. The main "culprits" the Bin Laden family the ONLY people allowed to leave the country on 9/11.
3. Main "culprit" Bin Laden never found after 10 years of undeclared war, thousands of friendly deaths, Trillions of dollars and 1,000,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis casualties. Torra Borra my ass.
4. Four countries now invaded and occupied by us or drone aircraft (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan)..
5. Patriot Act written in advance of 9/11- what's the purpose exactly?.
6. No video evidence of a plane striking Pentagon, even though at least 40 cameras show the strike zone.
7. Loss of Habeus Corpus, increased domestic security state, loss of privacy, continued illegal undeclared and expanding global war on shadowy enemy all justified by a very sketchy apparent false flag attack.

You believe the moon landing was faked, too?

[expandspanos]

Ursus, I'm not calling you names, please.

You're right, I misspoke about that, it was in the days following.

[AZGrizFan]

Ok, here are my problems with 9/11:

1. Pentagon announced 2.3 trillion dollars missing the day before 9/11- that's 5 years budget for them, or 8,000 bucks out of your pocket.
2. The main "culprits" the Bin Laden family the ONLY people allowed to leave the country on 9/11.
3. Main "culprit" Bin Laden never found after 10 years of undeclared war, thousands of friendly deaths, Trillions of dollars and 1,000,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis casualties. Torra Borra my ass.
4. Four countries now invaded and occupied by us or drone aircraft (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan)..
5. Patriot Act written in advance of 9/11- what's the purpose exactly?.
6. No video evidence of a plane striking Pentagon, even though at least 40 cameras show the strike zone.
7. Loss of Habeus Corpus, increased domestic security state, loss of privacy, continued illegal undeclared and expanding global war on shadowy enemy all justified by a very sketchy apparent false flag attack.

You believe the moon landing was faked, too?

Oh, that's a given. And Area 51 is full of alien spaceships. And Roswell was a coverup.

[expandspanos]

Ok, here are my problems with 9/11:

1. Pentagon announced 2.3 trillion dollars missing the day before 9/11- that's 5 years budget for them, or 8,000 bucks out of your pocket.
2. The main "culprits" the Bin Laden family the ONLY people allowed to leave the country on 9/11.
3. Main "culprit" Bin Laden never found after 10 years of undeclared war, thousands of friendly deaths, Trillions of dollars and 1,000,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis casualties. Torra Borra my ass.
4. Four countries now invaded and occupied by us or drone aircraft (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan)..
5. Patriot Act written in advance of 9/11- what's the purpose exactly?.
6. No video evidence of a plane striking Pentagon, even though at least 40 cameras show the strike zone.
7. Loss of Habeus Corpus, increased domestic security state, loss of privacy, continued illegal undeclared and expanding global war on shadowy enemy all justified by a very sketchy apparent false flag attack.

You believe the moon landing was faked, too?

Yeah. Van Allen Radiation belts, and the lunar rover not getting enough air.

[native]

I'm not a liar- I have worked as a technical writer for the UW Engineering dept, where I worked in the CAE building for two years next to the WiscDot people in the same building (which you would only know if you worked there).

Better to be an entertaining liar than a complete fvcking moron.

Remind me never to hire an engineer from the U. of Wisconsisn.

[expandspanos]

Wait until you find out I'm right.. you won't hire anybody BUT.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm not a liar- I have worked as a technical writer for the UW Engineering dept, where I worked in the CAE building for two years next to the WiscDot people in the same building (which you would only know if you worked there).

So you are a Mechanical Engineer then?

Nobody gives a shit if you "worked next to" as any sort of validity to your claims.

Is this what you needed to become a technical writer for an engineering dept.?

http://www.pce.uw.edu/prog.aspx?id=6121" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[expandspanos]

I'm not a liar- I have worked as a technical writer for the UW Engineering dept, where I worked in the CAE building for two years next to the WiscDot people in the same building (which you would only know if you worked there).

So you are a Mechanical Engineer then?

Nobody gives a **** if you "worked next to" as any sort of validity to your claims.

Is this what you needed to become a technical writer for an engineering dept.?

http://www.pce.uw.edu/prog.aspx?id=6121" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's what I got my degree in, whether you want to believe me or not.

Guess you don't have anything to say about the cameras at the Pentagon huh?

[expandspanos]

Man, if you were 1/10 as suspicious about 9/11 as you are my degree, we would be getting somewhere.

Do you know how many buildings fell into the path of most resistance on 9/11?

I'll give you a clue.. 3



What Was In Building 7?

Building 7 was one of New York City's larger buildings. A sleek bronze-colored skyscraper with a trapezoidal footprint, it occupied an entire city block and rose over 600 feet above street level.

Built in 1985, it was formerly the headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, which contributed to the Savings and Loans collapse, prompting the $500-billion taxpayer-underwritten bailout of the latter 1980s. At the time of its destruction, it exclusively housed government agencies and financial institutions. It contained offices of the IRS, Secret Service, and SEC.
Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
C.I.A. N/A N/A Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt 45,815 23 Government
This list is based on a table published by CNN.com, which did not include CIA, whose tenancy was disclosed after the attack in the New York Times article. 1

One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2 The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. 3

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

So you are a Mechanical Engineer then?

Nobody gives a **** if you "worked next to" as any sort of validity to your claims.

Is this what you needed to become a technical writer for an engineering dept.?

http://www.pce.uw.edu/prog.aspx?id=6121" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's what I got my degree in, whether you want to believe me or not.

Guess you don't have anything to say about the cameras at the Pentagon huh?

What about them? I don't personally know the layout of the area or the camera positioning. Last time you brought this shit up though there were several people on here that have intimate knowledge of that building and that area and one that actually saw (or his friend did, I can't remember) the plane hit the Pentagon.

They found the remnants of the plane inside the building and the people that were on that plane made calls saying they were hijacked didn't they? They are missing after this incident right?

With the video of the planes in the WTC you conspiracy folks have found something to latch on to saying that it didn't happen so what good is video gonna do you?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Man, if you were 1/10 as suspicious about 9/11 as you are my degree, we would be getting somewhere.

Do you know how many buildings fell into the path of most resistance on 9/11?

I'll give you a clue.. 3



What Was In Building 7?

Building 7 was one of New York City's larger buildings. A sleek bronze-colored skyscraper with a trapezoidal footprint, it occupied an entire city block and rose over 600 feet above street level.

Built in 1985, it was formerly the headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, which contributed to the Savings and Loans collapse, prompting the $500-billion taxpayer-underwritten bailout of the latter 1980s. At the time of its destruction, it exclusively housed government agencies and financial institutions. It contained offices of the IRS, Secret Service, and SEC.
Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
C.I.A. N/A N/A Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt 45,815 23 Government
This list is based on a table published by CNN.com, which did not include CIA, whose tenancy was disclosed after the attack in the New York Times article. 1

One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2 The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. 3

What are you talking about with your degree? All I did was ask if you really were a Mechanical Engineer because your wording in one of your posts was unclear and slippery.

As far as building 7 you are going over the exact ground with the exact same questions that were answered a few months ago for you. It's fun to poke holes in your fantasies but I'm gonna refer to go find the thread where you got your ass kicked with facts back in July or August.

Do you even remember that? You act as though this is all new stuff and new conversations.

[native]

One of my best long-time buddies was in the wing of the Pentagon got hits - and as a result the summmabitch got a coupla medals for his desk job ... he would not lie to me.

[expandspanos]

You mean the impossibly high cell phone calls that lasted way too long? Where everybody was addressing themselves to their loved ones by their first and last names?

[expandspanos]

One of my best long-time buddies was in the wing of the Pentagon got hits - and as a result the summmabitch got a coupla medals for his desk job ... he would not lie to me.

Yeah, nobody was demoted as a result of 9/11, only promotions. -- you would think the largest blunder in defending our country ever would result in somebody getting fired.



April Gallop was also working in the Pentagon, and she says it wasn't a plane strike: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9390415574#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (skip to 6:30)

[AZGrizFan]

One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2 The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. 3

You think maybe they "abandoned" the bunker because it was literally AT ground zero and the building was damaged beyond repair, structurally weakened by debris and was in the rescue/evacuation zone?

nah.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You mean the impossibly high cell phone calls that lasted way too long? Where everybody was addressing themselves to their loved ones by their first and last names?

WTF? You do not fact check at all do you?

How high do you think those planes were? They were not at 30,000 feet retard otherwise we would not be discussing this. Check the max height that they could have reached and still made their intended targets.

These people that you are unwittingly attacking were going to die. They knew that at the point or at least thought they were going to. If you were leaving a message you might state your first and last name. Not all of them did that as some actually got to talk to their loved ones before they perished.

Now why don't you move on to your next point which will be the voice synthesizers if I'm not mistaken.

[expandspanos]

Ursus has definitely seen Loose Change .

Nice name calling retard: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. they know more than you do about flying..

P.S. the alleged Hijackers couldn't even fly a Cessna according to their flight instructor, and you think they bloodied up the cockpit in a larger 757 before taking the controls confidently and hitting two towers spot on? Come on bud.

Former Air Force pilot who flew 2 planes used on 9/11 doesn't believe official story
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6368831731" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;