When socialism comes to America..

[UNI88]

Fill in the blank:

"Who cares? If _________________________________________________________, what does that matter to you? I have no doubt that you hate it, but its called free will."

- 2 men or women want to get married
- a biological male wants to dress as a woman
- people want to participate in or attend a drag show
- an NFL player chooses to kneel during the national anthem

What is your point here? All of those things are legal in every state and adults are more than free to exercise those rights.

Chasing the latest super expensive useless gadget is also legal in every state and adults are more than free to exercise those rights as well.

There are Christofascists within the Republican party who want to make them illegal. How is kalm's disdain for consumerism worse then a Christofascist's disdain for LGBTQ+.

And are they all? Can a parent take their child to a drag who in floridastan?

So my point is that cheery picking which personal freedoms people should enjoy is hypocritical.

[Baldy]

What is your point here? All of those things are legal in every state and adults are more than free to exercise those rights.

Chasing the latest super expensive useless gadget is also legal in every state and adults are more than free to exercise those rights as well.

There are Christofascists within the Republican party who want to make them illegal. How is kalm's disdain for consumerism worse then a Christofascist's disdain for LGBTQ+.

And are they all? Can a parent take their child to a drag who in floridastan?

So my point is that cheery picking which personal freedoms people should enjoy is hypocritical.

I don't care if Christofascists (or whatever you want to call them) want to make them illegal. Just like there are some (let me make up a word here) Progtardcommies who want to make guns illegal. I don't care about them either. Why do you and klam always seem to fixate on the lunatic fringe for some weird reason?

Please explain to me why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show. My wife's best friend was a drag performer (RIP) for 2+ decades. I have been to dozens of drag shows over the years, and they are a blast, BUT it is 100% ADULT entertainment. Too bad Capt'n Cat isn't with us any longer because he would have some great stories.

[UNI88]

Chasing the latest super expensive useless gadget is also legal in every state and adults are more than free to exercise those rights as well.

There are Christofascists within the Republican party who want to make them illegal. How is kalm's disdain for consumerism worse then a Christofascist's disdain for LGBTQ+.

And are they all? Can a parent take their child to a drag who in floridastan?

So my point is that cheery picking which personal freedoms people should enjoy is hypocritical.

I don't care if Christofascists (or whatever you want to call them) want to make them illegal. Just like there are some (let me make up a word here) Progtardcommies who want to make guns illegal. I don't care about them either. Why do you and klam always seem to fixate on the lunatic fringe for some weird reason?

Please explain to me why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show. My wife's best friend was a drag performer (RIP) for 2+ decades. I have been to dozens of drag shows over the years, and they are a blast, BUT it is 100% ADULT entertainment. Too bad Capt'n Cat isn't with us any longer because he would have some great stories.

You're the one who cared enough to post "Who cares? If people choose to chase the latest super expensive useless gadget, what does that matter to you? I have no doubt that you hate it, but its called free will. If people stop buying all the latest useless gadgets and the purveyors of those useless gadgets have to close shop, who cares? It's a market economy and these companies get bought up, swallowed up, or close shop every day."

Both extremes like to cherry pick when they think freedom should matter and when it shouldn't. They're both wrong.

I don't know why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show but it should be their choice. Libertarians believe in individual rights and freedoms and they don't trust a government that wants to to infringe upon those rights and freedoms.

I also don't know why some (let me make up a word here) maQaBetaCuckFascists want to restrict who can enter into a marriage contract, or ban books with LGBTQ+ themes, or pretend white people didn't oppress black people for centuries but they do.

[Caribbean Hen]

I don't care if Christofascists (or whatever you want to call them) want to make them illegal. Just like there are some (let me make up a word here) Progtardcommies who want to make guns illegal. I don't care about them either. Why do you and klam always seem to fixate on the lunatic fringe for some weird reason?

Please explain to me why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show. My wife's best friend was a drag performer (RIP) for 2+ decades. I have been to dozens of drag shows over the years, and they are a blast, BUT it is 100% ADULT entertainment. Too bad Capt'n Cat isn't with us any longer because he would have some great stories.

You're the one who cared enough to post "Who cares? If people choose to chase the latest super expensive useless gadget, what does that matter to you? I have no doubt that you hate it, but its called free will. If people stop buying all the latest useless gadgets and the purveyors of those useless gadgets have to close shop, who cares? It's a market economy and these companies get bought up, swallowed up, or close shop every day."

Both extremes like to cherry pick when they think freedom should matter and when it shouldn't. They're both wrong.

I don't know why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show but it should be their choice. Libertarians believe in individual rights and freedoms and they don't trust a government that wants to to infringe upon those rights and freedoms.

I also don't know why some (let me make up a word here) maQaBetaCuckFascists want to restrict who can enter into a marriage contract, or ban books with LGBTQ+ themes, or pretend white people didn't oppress black people for centuries but they do.

Was it just white people?

don’t think so

There is no doubt that blacks were abused for even more than centuries and just not by white people

My question is, how long are they gonna use that for an excuse? A few more centuries?

[UNI88]

You're the one who cared enough to post "Who cares? If people choose to chase the latest super expensive useless gadget, what does that matter to you? I have no doubt that you hate it, but its called free will. If people stop buying all the latest useless gadgets and the purveyors of those useless gadgets have to close shop, who cares? It's a market economy and these companies get bought up, swallowed up, or close shop every day."

Both extremes like to cherry pick when they think freedom should matter and when it shouldn't. They're both wrong.

I don't know why a parent would ever take their child to a drag show but it should be their choice. Libertarians believe in individual rights and freedoms and they don't trust a government that wants to to infringe upon those rights and freedoms.

I also don't know why some (let me make up a word here) maQaBetaCuckFascists want to restrict who can enter into a marriage contract, or ban books with LGBTQ+ themes, or pretend white people didn't oppress black people for centuries but they do.

Was it just white people?

don’t think so

There is no doubt that blacks were abused for even more than centuries and just not by white people

My question is, how long are they gonna use that for an excuse? A few more centuries?

Nice but, but, but ... deflection from the king of them.

No, it wasn't just white people but in the USA, it was overwhelmingly white people.

Do you ever think for yourself or do you just think and do what the maQaverse tells you to?

It isn't an excuse yet and it while it lasted centuries it hasn't been over for close to a century. Vestiges of the oppression remain.


What about individual rights and freedoms?

[Caribbean Hen]

Was it just white people?

don’t think so

There is no doubt that blacks were abused for even more than centuries and just not by white people

My question is, how long are they gonna use that for an excuse? A few more centuries?

Nice but, but, but ... deflection from the king of them.

No, it wasn't just white people but in the USA, it was overwhelmingly white people.

Do you ever think for yourself or do you just think and do what the maQaverse tells you to?

It isn't an excuse yet and it while it lasted centuries it hasn't been over for close to a century. Vestiges of the oppression remain.


What about individual rights and freedoms?

So asking a legitimate question is deflecting in your world I see

I have no idea what MAGA tells me to do and I don’t give a shit …. I do what my instincts tell me to do.

What do you mean it’s not an excuse…. I can’t give you a percentage, but there are certainly a lot of Black people who will bring up the race card faster than a Bolt of lightning …. also the majority of Black people don’t use it as an excuse and are embarrassed by those black people that do

Whether they believe it or not, there are many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away

[kalm]

1). I’m seriously doubting your insistence that everyone recognizes the difference between social democracy and democratic socialists as a thing. I appreciate the difference, but the two are obviously interchanged throughout media and the punditry. And to pull that Bernie reference from 2016 is further evidence of you trying real hard to convince as though everyone has known for a long time. You either found these ideas in a single article and liked it, or it’s some knew attempt by right wing apparatchiks to exploit and divide over. But if you’re unwilling to be honest and produce where you got this idea from, you be you.

2). Um…you think Apple and Amazon could just throw in the towel and close up like some ma and pa burger stand competing against a new McDonald’s across the street? Our current economy is largely based on people spending beyond their means. Ever heard of BNPL? In general, consumer debt has reached its highest level ever. Consumerism benefits industry and retail and is aspirational for the working class to buy Gwyneth Paltrow’s latest vagina scented candle. Hey! I feel fancy and successful! Or at least my house smells like it!

Who cares? Everyone…. Including the ownership and investor classes.

You need to just let go of Ayn Rand, my man.

1. That was a ginormous word salad just for you to simply say that you didn't know the difference between the two. Don't get mad and defensive because you were confused and I had to teach you what the differences actually are.
For the longest time, the DSA was never really a 'thing' and was just the small weirdo lunatic fringe of the left who could never survive as an independent party. Now, they're running as Donks and have been able to garners a foothold in some deep blue areas. Surprisingly, the Donks are more than happy (for now) to let them take over. We'll see how that works out for them.

2. Nice rant against consumerism, but unless you have a desire and the means to control people's behavior, you're just a bitter old man shaking his fist and yelling at the clouds in the sky.
When Sears, JC Penny, Circuit City, Toys-R-Us, Blockbuster, Radio Shack, etc. etc. etc. all closed up shop and disappeared, nobody cared. If something better than Amazon or Apple come along, they will receive the same fate, and again, nobody will care.

I was chuckling as I wrote it. Gwenyth’s vagina candles? C’mon…!

And the bias or ineptitude of your new sources is shining through. Dem establishment is apoplectic over the incursion from the left. They are throwing money at and endorsing washed up or aged out candidates like Janet Mills. You could even say the same thing with Biden and then Harris. The Dem civil war is raging.

Lastly, can you crawl up the ass of failed neo-liberalism any further? Do you have any idea at all of the impacts of monopolies and political power consolidation. We’ve been seeing it in real time for most of my life right through to today and the broligarchs.

Go neo-feudalism!

[UNI88]

Nice but, but, but ... deflection from the king of them.

No, it wasn't just white people but in the USA, it was overwhelmingly white people.

Do you ever think for yourself or do you just think and do what the maQaverse tells you to?

It isn't an excuse yet and it while it lasted centuries it hasn't been over for close to a century. Vestiges of the oppression remain.

What about individual rights and freedoms?

So asking a legitimate question is deflecting in your world I see

I have no idea what MAGA tells me to do and I don’t give a shit …. I do what my instincts tell me to do.

What do you mean it’s not an excuse…. I can’t give you a percentage, but there are certainly a lot of Black people who will bring up the race card faster than a Bolt of lightning …. also the majority of Black people don’t use it as an excuse and are embarrassed by those black people that do

Whether they believe it or not, there are many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away

The discussion was about individual rights and freedoms and the double standards applied by the maQa right and progressive left in picking which ones should be defended when you attempted to divert it.

It's not an excuse because the oppression of black people continued into the 1960's and beyond. Because that oppression forced black people into "ghettos" and seriously constrained their ability to build generational wealth through education, property ownership, etc. Because the impact of that oppression still exist today.

Yes, there are "many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away". What you fail to understand is that is just as true of donald trump as it is of al sharpton.

[Caribbean Hen]

So asking a legitimate question is deflecting in your world I see

I have no idea what MAGA tells me to do and I don’t give a shit …. I do what my instincts tell me to do.

What do you mean it’s not an excuse…. I can’t give you a percentage, but there are certainly a lot of Black people who will bring up the race card faster than a Bolt of lightning …. also the majority of Black people don’t use it as an excuse and are embarrassed by those black people that do

Whether they believe it or not, there are many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away

The discussion was about individual rights and freedoms and the double standards applied by the maQa right and progressive left in picking which ones should be defended when you attempted to divert it.

It's not an excuse because the oppression of black people continued into the 1960's and beyond. Because that oppression forced black people into "ghettos" and seriously constrained their ability to build generational wealth through education, property ownership, etc. Because the impact of that oppression still exist today.

Yes, there are "many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away". What you fail to understand is that is just as true of donald trump as it is of al sharpton.

I’m glad you recognize the civil rights movement didn’t really help much, in fact, you just supported my case that the civil rights movement made hasn’t really helped black people at all

One problem is when a black leader tries to tell the truth, he is squashed and vilified by those who need the urban plantation to continue

So how many more centuries will it take for us as a society to move forward?

Oh, by the way, if the Chinese eventually take over, it’s gonna be a millennium because they are racist as hell

[kalm]

The discussion was about individual rights and freedoms and the double standards applied by the maQa right and progressive left in picking which ones should be defended when you attempted to divert it.

It's not an excuse because the oppression of black people continued into the 1960's and beyond. Because that oppression forced black people into "ghettos" and seriously constrained their ability to build generational wealth through education, property ownership, etc. Because the impact of that oppression still exist today.

Yes, there are "many that make a living on racism and they have to make sure that it doesn’t go away". What you fail to understand is that is just as true of donald trump as it is of al sharpton.

I’m glad you recognize the civil rights movement didn’t really help much, in fact, you just supported my case that the civil rights movement made hasn’t really helped black people at all

One problem is when a black leader tries to tell the truth, he is squashed and vilified by those who need the urban plantation to continue

So how many more centuries will it take for us as a society to move forward?

Oh, by the way, if the Chinese eventually take over, it’s gonna be a millennium because they are racist as hell

What?

All I can discern from this is you think Thomas Sowell is > than MLK.

[Caribbean Hen]

I’m glad you recognize the civil rights movement didn’t really help much, in fact, you just supported my case that the civil rights movement made hasn’t really helped black people at all

One problem is when a black leader tries to tell the truth, he is squashed and vilified by those who need the urban plantation to continue

So how many more centuries will it take for us as a society to move forward?

Oh, by the way, if the Chinese eventually take over, it’s gonna be a millennium because they are racist as hell

What?

All I can discern from this is you think Thomas Sowell is > than MLK.

MLK didn’t live long enough to see what the urban plantation did … if he was alive today maybe he would be the one to tell the truth and say come on people …. we can do better than this

[kalm]

What?

All I can discern from this is you think Thomas Sowell is > than MLK.

MLK didn’t live long enough to see what the urban plantation did … if he was alive today maybe he would be the one to tell the truth and say come on people …. we can do better than this

That sounds more like Malcolm X.