USAID

[UNI88]

Give us an example of how previous governmental oversight employees were contributing. Not anecdotes and rumors but actual independently verified instances.

You won’t, because you can’t.

Which is exactly why we need Musk to dig it up

Thank you nancy "we must pass the bill to see what's in it" pelosi.

[BDKJMU]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elon-m ... es-100-159

according to Social Security, the USA has millions of centurions

Kalm is waiting for Maxine to fix it

Man look at all those people the Social Security Administration list between 120 to 369 years old! Who knew people could live to be that old! Man it would be cool to talk to people who were around during the War Between the States and the Revolution.

[kalm]

What actions were implemented to improve the system, who promoted them, and when were they tried. Be very specific.

Conversely what you have done? Again, be very specific.

We already had systems and people in place to address this systemic problem.

You 1st since you 1st claimed it.

It’s common knowledge. Pick your agency, click on the link, and you’ll see updates on their activities.

https://www.ignet.gov/content/inspector ... -directory

Here’s another.

https://oversight.house.gov/about-the-committee/

[Caribbean Hen]

Which is exactly why we need Musk to dig it up

Thank you nancy "we must pass the bill to see what's in it" pelosi.

wrong

Musk is showing what's in it

[kalm]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elon-m ... es-100-159

according to Social Security, the USA has millions of centurions

Kalm is waiting for Maxine to fix it

Fantastic example! This was debunked days ago as a failure of the DOGE and hence Elon to understanding the older Cobal coding system used by many legacy agencies.

It’s fun Elon and Fox still done get it.

Seriously…you are being duped.

[UNI88]

Thank you nancy "we must pass the bill to see what's in it" pelosi.

wrong

Musk is showing what's in it

Wrong.

He isn't "showing what's in it". He's telling us what he wants us to think is in it. You choosing to believe him isn't that different then a liberal choosing to believe biden.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elon-m ... es-100-159

according to Social Security, the USA has millions of centurions

Kalm is waiting for Maxine to fix it

Fantastic example! This was debunked days ago as a failure of the DOGE and hence Elon to understanding the older Cobal coding system used by many legacy agencies.

It’s fun Elon and Fox still done get it.

Seriously…you are being duped.

Maybe it’s time to fix it

Oh Joey Rotten caught sending 20 billion out to like a dozen environmental groups right before he left office

EPA director Zeldin reports and they will get it back

https://apnews.com/article/green-bank-e ... 69f61f07b7

[Gil Dobie]

This is an example of what's wrong with political agendas. Overreacting and cutting the good with the bad. Donks are saying it's all money well spent, Conks are saying it's all government waste.

Just like Obamacare, while trying to help those in need it raised cost for everyone and big pharma smiled.

In blue state Minnesota it's free lunches for all school kids rich and poor, in red state Oklahoma it goes to the needy schools.

[Caribbean Hen]

wrong

Musk is showing what's in it

Wrong.

He isn't "showing what's in it". He's telling us what he wants us to think is in it. You choosing to believe him isn't that different then a liberal choosing to believe biden.

KAROLINE LEAVITT: If you just watched that video, but shut your eyes and listen to the words from those Democrat politicians, you would think you are listening to President Trump, Elon Musk and our entire administration, who are saying the exact same things that Democrat politicians promised the American people they would do for decades. President Trump is just the first president in our lifetimes to actually do it. And now you see the Democrat Party and the mainstream media spiraling out of control about a very simple promise: rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy. This is a promise President Trump campaigned on. He is now delivering on it. 

[UNI88]

Wrong.

He isn't "showing what's in it". He's telling us what he wants us to think is in it. You choosing to believe him isn't that different then a liberal choosing to believe biden.

KAROLINE LEAVITT: If you just watched that video, but shut your eyes and listen to the words from those Democrat politicians, you would think you are listening to President Trump, Elon Musk and our entire administration, who are saying the exact same things that Democrat politicians promised the American people they would do for decades. President Trump is just the first president in our lifetimes to actually do it. And now you see the Democrat Party and the mainstream media spiraling out of control about a very simple promise: rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy. This is a promise President Trump campaigned on. He is now delivering on it. 

Is it all waste, fraud and abuse? Spending that has been approved by Congress may be frivolous but it isn't waste, fraud or abuse. Telling people that it is would be fraud/abuse.

Stopping some of it is very possibly a violation of our laws and procedures. Since Congress won't act like adults and do their job (controlling the purse strings) this will have to play out in the courts.

trump and musk do not get to ignore existing laws and procedures and do whatever the hell they want under the guise of rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy.

FTR - I'm all for finding and eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. I'm not for using it as an excuse to get rid of activities and departments that the President ideologically disagrees with. If trump is allowed to do this, what's to prevent a Democratic President from using the same approach to gut the military or a program that MAQA yahoos like?

[Caribbean Hen]

KAROLINE LEAVITT: If you just watched that video, but shut your eyes and listen to the words from those Democrat politicians, you would think you are listening to President Trump, Elon Musk and our entire administration, who are saying the exact same things that Democrat politicians promised the American people they would do for decades. President Trump is just the first president in our lifetimes to actually do it. And now you see the Democrat Party and the mainstream media spiraling out of control about a very simple promise: rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy. This is a promise President Trump campaigned on. He is now delivering on it. 

Is it all waste, fraud and abuse? Spending that has been approved by Congress may be frivolous but it isn't waste, fraud or abuse. Telling people that it is would be fraud/abuse.

Stopping some of it is very possibly a violation of our laws and procedures. Since Congress won't act like adults and do their job (controlling the purse strings) this will have to play out in the courts.

trump and musk do not get to ignore existing laws and procedures and do whatever the hell they want under the guise of rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy.

FTR - I'm all for finding and eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. I'm not for using it as an excuse to get rid of activities and departments that the President ideologically disagrees with. If trump is allowed to do this, what's to prevent a Democratic President from using the same approach to gut the military or a program that MAQA yahoos like?

Joey Rotten already did

[UNI88]

Is it all waste, fraud and abuse? Spending that has been approved by Congress may be frivolous but it isn't waste, fraud or abuse. Telling people that it is would be fraud/abuse.

Stopping some of it is very possibly a violation of our laws and procedures. Since Congress won't act like adults and do their job (controlling the purse strings) this will have to play out in the courts.

trump and musk do not get to ignore existing laws and procedures and do whatever the hell they want under the guise of rooting out waste, fraud and abuse from our federal bureaucracy.

FTR - I'm all for finding and eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. I'm not for using it as an excuse to get rid of activities and departments that the President ideologically disagrees with. If trump is allowed to do this, what's to prevent a Democratic President from using the same approach to gut the military or a program that MAQA yahoos like?

Joey Rotten already did

Not to anywhere near the level that trump is doing with other agencies/programs.

What trump/musk are doing is more of an ideological purge than a search for waste, fraud and abuse. You'll be screaming bloody murder if/when a Democratic President does what trump/musk are doing.

[UNI88]

And now muck is calling for long prison sentences for 60 Minutes. So much for free speech and no censorship.

[kalm]

And now muck is calling for long prison sentences for 60 Minutes. So much for free speech and no censorship.

And Doge is the least accountable quasi government agency in the world.

[UNI88]

Government Accountability official says fraud does exist, but it's not widespread

So far, the Trump administration has not shown clear evidence of fraud.

Instead, the DOGE X account and White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt have pointed to the elimination of DEI — diversity, equity and inclusion — contacts and other expenditures that don't align with the administration's political priorities.
...
A co-author of that report, GAO Director Rebecca Shea, tells NPR that while government fraud and waste makes up an estimated 3% and 7% of federal spending, the overwhelming majority of federal spending isn't fraudulent.

Shea also noted that the report defines fraud narrowly — and that definition doesn't match up with Trump and Musk's definition. "To call something fraud, you need to prove it in a criminal or civil case," she said.

Shea added that finding fraud takes a long time and adjudicating it takes even longer — which fraudsters take advantage of. In her GAO report, Shea suggested Artificial Intelligence (AI) could help the government catch the fraud.

[BDKJMU]

Government Accountability official says fraud does exist, but it's not widespread

So far, the Trump administration has not shown clear evidence of fraud.

Instead, the DOGE X account and White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt have pointed to the elimination of DEI — diversity, equity and inclusion — contacts and other expenditures that don't align with the administration's political priorities.
...
A co-author of that report, GAO Director Rebecca Shea, tells NPR that while government fraud and waste makes up an estimated 3% and 7% of federal spending, the overwhelming majority of federal spending isn't fraudulent.

Shea also noted that the report defines fraud narrowly — and that definition doesn't match up with Trump and Musk's definition. "To call something fraud, you need to prove it in a criminal or civil case," she said.

Shea added that finding fraud takes a long time and adjudicating it takes even longer — which fraudsters take advantage of. In her GAO report, Shea suggested Artificial Intelligence (AI) could help the government catch the fraud.

She started with 3-7% “fraud and waste“ (left off ‘abuse‘)
So how much does ‘abuse‘ add on to the 3 to 7% fraud and waste?

She then focused on the legal standard to prove fraud (but not waste) and still leaves off ‘abuse‘.

How about also the standard to prove waste?
How about also the standard to prove abuse?

How about the total percent for:
1.fraud
2.waste
3.abuse,
4.and just shit the govt shouldn‘t be spending $$$ on.

[UNI88]

Government Accountability official says fraud does exist, but it's not widespread

She started with 3-7% “fraud and waste“ (left off ‘abuse‘)
So how much does ‘abuse‘ add on to the 3 to 7% fraud and waste?

She then focused on the legal standard to prove fraud (but not waste) and still leaves off ‘abuse‘.

How about also the standard to prove waste?
How about also the standard to prove abuse?

How about the total percent for:
1.fraud
2.waste
3.abuse,
4.and just shit the govt shouldn‘t be spending $$$ on.

You tell me and don't use musk's bullshit numbers ...

Spending money on an ineffective program isn't fraud if Congress has allocated that money to that program. It's Congress' job to decide that it's ineffective and to close the purse strings not the President's or his unconfirmed special government employee.

Lazy ass (and dishonest) is saying that spending is waste, fraud and/or abuse simply because they consider it frivolous like trump/musk are doing.

[UNI88]

The USAID “Scandal” and the Playbook of Manufactured Outrage

The dismantling of USAID isn’t about fraud. It’s not about waste. And it’s certainly not about making government more efficient. Instead, it’s a test case for a new era of governance—one where facts are optional, reality is shaped by cherry-picked narratives, and faith in a leader replaces independent sources of truth.

Rather than conducting an actual audit, Musk and Trump have used a familiar tactic—manufacture a scandal, flood the space with selective outrage, and use it to justify dismantling an agency they already wanted gone. It’s an attack on facts themselves—and if it works here, it will be repeated elsewhere.

Misinformation doesn’t have to be an outright lie to be effective. The most powerful form of disinformation is cherry-picking—taking a real event or number, stripping it of context, and reframing it for maximum outrage.
...
Could an actual audit be conducted on how these funds were used? Absolutely. In a functioning government, there should always be room for debate over whether certain initiatives are priorities or whether they are effective. But that is not what is happening here.

Instead of evaluating whether these programs delivered results or whether better alternatives exist, these numbers were stripped of context and framed for maximum outrage—not to improve policy, but to justify dismantling an agency outright. A real debate would analyze impact and effectiveness, not manipulate selective facts to push a predetermined conclusion.
The biggest red flag? If USAID were truly corrupt, they would be showing full financial audits, not vague accusations.

If the goal were actually to root out inefficiencies, a proper USAID audit wouldn’t be done in a day or two based on cherry-picked spending line items. Audits—even for small organizations—are lengthy, comprehensive, and detail both strengths and weaknesses.

[kalm]

But hey…at least we have subsidized rocket ships and shitty e-trucks, a big military and low taxes for the wealthy.

[Gil Dobie]

But hey…at least we have subsidized rocket ships and shitty e-trucks, a big military and low taxes for the wealthy.

Biden was the President that wanted $600 deposits in our bank accounts taxed and brought the Ebay 1099 to life. Coming at the little guy.

How does the “$600 rule” work? In 2021, Congress lowered the threshold for reporting income on payment apps from $20,000 and 200 transactions annually to $600 for a single transaction. Implementation of the ”$600 rule” is being phased in over the next three years.

[kalm]

But hey…at least we have subsidized rocket ships and shitty e-trucks, a big military and low taxes for the wealthy.

Biden was the President that wanted $600 deposits in our bank accounts taxed and brought the Ebay 1099 to life. Coming at the little guy.

How does the “$600 rule” work? In 2021, Congress lowered the threshold for reporting income on payment apps from $20,000 and 200 transactions annually to $600 for a single transaction. Implementation of the ”$600 rule” is being phased in over the next three years.

Not seeing the connection here Gil.

[BDKJMU]

But hey…at least we have subsidized rocket ships and shitty e-trucks, a big military and low taxes for the wealthy.

So what. Those aren‘t American children. The US shouldn‘t be the world‘s policeman, or food bank, or ATM, or drug store..

[Bobcat]

Exactly, somebody else can pay for them. Not our problem

[Gil Dobie]

Biden was the President that wanted $600 deposits in our bank accounts taxed and brought the Ebay 1099 to life. Coming at the little guy.

How does the “$600 rule” work? In 2021, Congress lowered the threshold for reporting income on payment apps from $20,000 and 200 transactions annually to $600 for a single transaction. Implementation of the ”$600 rule” is being phased in over the next three years.

Not seeing the connection here Gil.

High taxes on the little guy from Biden and now low taxes on the rich.

[kalm]

Not seeing the connection here Gil.

High taxes on the little guy from Biden and now low taxes on the rich.

Does this apply to all Venmo, PayPal, etc. payments?