Who disagrees with this?

[kalm]

Democracy? Diversity? Tolerance? Pluralism? Restored faith in government institutions?

Sounds like a bunch of fooking lefty librarians to me.

The unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, are principles that bind us together as Americans. They have enabled the United States to strive toward a more perfect union, even when we have not always lived up to those ideals.

As a diverse nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, democracy holds us together. We are a country rooted in the rule of law, where the protection of the rights of all people is paramount. At the same time, we live among our fellow citizens, underscoring the importance of compassion, tolerance, pluralism, and respect for others.

We, the undersigned, represent a wide range of views across a breadth of issues. We recognize that these views can exist peaceably side by side when rooted in the principles of democracy. Debate and disagreement are central features in a healthy democracy. Civility and respect in political discourse, whether in an election year or otherwise, are essential.

Americans have a strong interest in supporting democratic movements and respect for human rights around the world because free societies elsewhere contribute to our own security and prosperity here at home. But that interest is undermined when others see our own house in disarray. The world will not wait for us to address our problems, so we must both continue to strive toward a more perfect union and help those abroad looking for U.S. leadership.

Each of us has a role to play and responsibilities to uphold. Our elected officials must lead by example and govern effectively in ways that deliver for the American people. This, in turn, will help to restore trust in public service. The rest of us must engage in civil dialogue; respect democratic institutions and rights; uphold safe, secure, and accessible elections; and contribute to local, state, or national improvement.

By signing this statement, we reaffirm our commitment to the principles of democracy undergirding this great nation, protecting our freedom, and respecting our fellow citizens. When united by these convictions, America is stronger as a country and an inspiration for others.

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/ ... statement/

[GannonFan]

I don't like the use of the word "undergirding". It looks weird and there are plenty of other words that could've been used. I think someone was trying to look smart by using it. Not necessary in this.

Sounds great. Biggest reach, I think, is getting "our elected officials" to "lead by example and govern effectively". Thing of all those in Congress who will have to swear off insider trading - gonna be tough to get their noses out of that trough.

[Bobcat]

Not me. diversity is weakness and divisive. You are either American or you are not, strong countries do not have different beliefs they have collective and focused ideals.

[UNI88]

Not me. diversity is weakness and divisive. You are either American or you are not, strong countries do not have different beliefs they have collective and focused ideals.

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

[Col Hogan]

Not me. diversity is weakness and divisive. You are either American or you are not, strong countries do not have different beliefs they have collective and focused ideals.

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

See my siggy..

[UNI88]

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

See my siggy..

Did Aristotle really say that “Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society” or is it ?

[Col Hogan]

See my siggy..

Did Aristotle really say that “Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society”?

According to a number of sources…yes, he did. One for example https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/search ... tle+apathy

Other sources toss out “right-wing” and “racists” as pushers of a false narrative about the quote that they say Aristotle would never say…

Take your pick…

[UNI88]

Did Aristotle really say that “Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society”?

According to a number of sources…yes, he did. One for example https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/search ... tle+apathy

Other sources toss out “right-wing” and “racists” as pushers of a false narrative about the quote that they say Aristotle would never say…

Take your pick…

1) I like Goodreads.
2) I’m no expert but I believe Aristotle said a lot of provocative things to make people think.

So I think he said it. Don’t agree with it though.


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[kalm]

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

See my siggy..

Hi Colonel!

Is tolerance inheritantly bad?

[kalm]

Not me. diversity is weakness and divisive. You are either American or you are not, strong countries do not have different beliefs they have collective and focused ideals.

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

[Col Hogan]

See my siggy..

Hi Colonel!

Is tolerance inheritantly bad?

Depends…I tolerate some of the quirks of my wife and my kids…

I don’t tolerate ideas that I feel are divisive or immoral…

I accept holders of those ideas as humans entitled to the ideas…but don’t ask me to support or approve them (the ideas, not the humans)

[kalm]

Hi Colonel!

Is tolerance inheritantly bad?

Depends…I tolerate some of the quirks of my wife and my kids…

I don’t tolerate ideas that I feel are divisive or immoral…

I accept holders of those ideas as humans entitled to the ideas…but don’t ask me to support or approve them (the ideas, not the humans)

Quit being so damn reasonable!

[UNI88]

Hi Colonel!

Is tolerance inheritantly bad?

Depends…I tolerate some of the quirks of my wife and my kids…

I don’t tolerate ideas that I feel are divisive or immoral…

I accept holders of those ideas as humans entitled to the ideas…but don’t ask me to support or approve them (the ideas, not the humans)

I agree.

I feel that the idea that people who are different from you, whether because of ethnicity or sexual identity, are inferior and/or deviant is divisive and immoral.

I feel that the idea of forcing your ideology and morals, woke or puritan, on others is divisive and immoral.


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[Col Hogan]

Depends…I tolerate some of the quirks of my wife and my kids…

I don’t tolerate ideas that I feel are divisive or immoral…

I accept holders of those ideas as humans entitled to the ideas…but don’t ask me to support or approve them (the ideas, not the humans)

I agree.

I feel that the idea that people who are different from you, whether because of ethnicity or sexual identity, are inferior and/or deviant is divisive and immoral.

I feel that the idea of forcing your ideology and morals, woke or puritan, on others is divisive and immoral.


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So, you’re willing to tolerate anything…no limits…

The last virtues of a dying society…

[SeattleGriz]

I agree.

I feel that the idea that people who are different from you, whether because of ethnicity or sexual identity, are inferior and/or deviant is divisive and immoral.

I feel that the idea of forcing your ideology and morals, woke or puritan, on others is divisive and immoral.


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So, you’re willing to tolerate anything…no limits…

The last virtues of a dying society…

I used to lean a little Libertarian in that same aspect, but have realized that "no limits" is as you say Col. I know the board has devolved into slap fights, but good to see you. Hope you and the family are well and getting in lots of road trips.

[Col Hogan]

So, you’re willing to tolerate anything…no limits…

The last virtues of a dying society…

I used to lean a little Libertarian in that same aspect, but have realized that "no limits" is as you say Col. I know the board has devolved into slap fights, but good to see you. Hope you and the family are well and getting in lots of road trips.

We’re doing well, thanks for asking. We had a 3 week road trip in August that included the Rock and Roll HOF and the Christmas Story House.

This is a short stop in to see if anything has changed. Apparently it hasn’t.

[UNI88]

I used to lean a little Libertarian in that same aspect, but have realized that "no limits" is as you say Col. I know the board has devolved into slap fights, but good to see you. Hope you and the family are well and getting in lots of road trips.

We’re doing well, thanks for asking. We had a 3 week road trip in August that included the Rock and Roll HOF and the Christmas Story House.

This is a short stop in to see if anything has changed. Apparently it hasn’t.

Unfortunately it hasn’t.

I disagree with the I’ll tolerate anything. I think people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn’t infringe upon others.

That applies to drag shows and a coach praying on the field. I am tired of wokehodists and puritans trying to force their moral code on others. Let parents decide what is best for their kids not some elected yahoo s and bureaucrats.

[Bobcat]

Not me. diversity is weakness and divisive. You are either American or you are not, strong countries do not have different beliefs they have collective and focused ideals.

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

America is by far NOT the greatest country on earth. We have less freedoms today than we did 50 years ago and more are disappearing everyday. Try and drink out of a plastic water bottle in Massachusetts from now on. Save the talking points this isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ever controlled

[GannonFan]

The United States of America has historically come together during times of crisis but has always had people with different beliefs and ideals. Diversity of ideas, backgrounds, perspectives has helped make this country the greatest on earth. Where we're failing now is in the and lack of tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ideals that is endemic in both right and left extremes. The lack of tolerance and respect is an impediment to working for the common good.

America is by far NOT the greatest country on earth. We have less freedoms today than we did 50 years ago and more are disappearing everyday. Try and drink out of a plastic water bottle in Massachusetts from now on. Save the talking points this isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ever controlled

You can drink out of one all you want, no one can stop you. I'm sure what you're referring to is the sale of new plastic water bottles. Heck, I'm not sure we even had plastic water bottles 50 years ago.

[UNI88]

America is by far NOT the greatest country on earth. We have less freedoms today than we did 50 years ago and more are disappearing everyday. Try and drink out of a plastic water bottle in Massachusetts from now on. Save the talking points this isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ever controlled

You can drink out of one all you want, no one can stop you. I'm sure what you're referring to is the sale of new plastic water bottles. Heck, I'm not sure we even had plastic water bottles 50 years ago.

When he mentioned less freedom and more control, I thought he was talking about not being able to get a book from a school library or parents not being able to make medical decisions for their children.

[kalm]

You can drink out of one all you want, no one can stop you. I'm sure what you're referring to is the sale of new plastic water bottles. Heck, I'm not sure we even had plastic water bottles 50 years ago.

When he mentioned less freedom and more control, I thought he was talking about not being able to get a book from a school library or parents not being able to make medical decisions for their children.

Wasnt it Patrick Henry who said “Give me micro plastics or give me death!”?

[Baldy]

You can drink out of one all you want, no one can stop you. I'm sure what you're referring to is the sale of new plastic water bottles. Heck, I'm not sure we even had plastic water bottles 50 years ago.

When he mentioned less freedom and more control, I thought he was talking about not being able to get a book from a school library or parents not being able to make medical decisions for their children.

P0rnography should be widely available in schools, and female circumcision should be available for all young girls if that's their parent's wish.

[UNI88]

When he mentioned less freedom and more control, I thought he was talking about not being able to get a book from a school library or parents not being able to make medical decisions for their children.

P0rnography should be widely available in schools, and female circumcision should be available for all young girls if that's their parent's wish.

Pornography like this?









The 6 Raunchiest, Most Depraved Sex Acts

[kalm]

P0rnography should be widely available in schools, and female circumcision should be available for all young girls if that's their parent's wish.

Pornography like this?









The 6 Raunchiest, Most Depraved Sex Acts

Is that from Anne Frank’s Diary?

[Baldy]

P0rnography should be widely available in schools, and female circumcision should be available for all young girls if that's their parent's wish.

Pornography like this?









The 6 Raunchiest, Most Depraved Sex Acts

Absolutely!

Nice tap dance around the female circumcision part, too!