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One more quote from Churchill for people to think about.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:02 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:32 pm

Or you could answer how they were used and what was good about them.

The tax cuts were bad for the deficit long term. The philosophy…his success in pitching small government and trickle down theory have been embraced ever since. The low taxes and continued debt growth have never really gone away.

I’m open to hear your arguments for the pros and cons of his SS payroll tax increases. I’ll approach it with an open mind but remember, I believe strongly in economics that benefit a a strong middle class.

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If you can't understand that a 50-70% federal income tax rate is bad for the kind of risk taking that drives growth and innovation and ultimately greater federal tax revenue then you're too daft to debate this with.

As Chizzy says "we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem", that is driving our deficit and debt.
Please show me where in this conversation I’ve suggested a 50-75% tax rate. Don’t worry…we’re not heading back to that anytime soon.
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:16 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:23 pm
Here you go again cherry picking which points to dispute ...

So Reagan's tax cuts were bad and Reagan's SS payroll tax hikes were also bad? Poor guy can't catch a break, you're going to blame him regardless of what he did.

You have provided nothing of substance to convince me that what Reagan did was the cause of current ills or that what you advocate for is the solution.
That is because it is not really about Reagan.

Politics and Economics is all about people and how they function and what it takes to guide (control) their beliefs and actions. To understand that, you have to understand the average person and how they make decisions on both the macro (group) and micro (individual) level. An incomplete or misguided understanding of what makes people do what they do and their responses to certain inputs, leads to failed systems like Holy Roman Empire (religious), socialism, fascism, or communism. Democracy is also in the same boat, except like Churchill stated "is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried", which is why it needs to be tempered (i.e. three branches of Government for the U.S.).

To paraphrase Churchill's quote about democracy for capitalism "it is the worst form of economic system, except for all the others that have been tried." It also needs to be tempered, but with respect to what I first mentioned in my second paragraph, it is about the people and how they function both as individuals and as a group. It is always going to be a balancing act, but more often than not, erring on the side of personal freedom leads to a better long term outcome.

No system is perfect and people are going to abuse whatever is put in place and people are going to suffer hardship under that government/economic policy. Just because we cannot design a perfect system, does not mean we cannot do our best with what we know about what works and what does not. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it and mixing failed systems into something that works pretty well, is a recipe for disaster. :twocents:
I agree on both democracy and capitalism. We’re really just arguing degrees within those systems. The other input in to these arguments is moralistic and philosophical.

Let them eat cake vs. let’s all eat really nasty tasting dry cake no matter how much harder we work for our cake than others.
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This can’t be real. But if it is…WTAF?

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kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:42 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:16 pm

That is because it is not really about Reagan.

Politics and Economics is all about people and how they function and what it takes to guide (control) their beliefs and actions. To understand that, you have to understand the average person and how they make decisions on both the macro (group) and micro (individual) level. An incomplete or misguided understanding of what makes people do what they do and their responses to certain inputs, leads to failed systems like Holy Roman Empire (religious), socialism, fascism, or communism. Democracy is also in the same boat, except like Churchill stated "is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried", which is why it needs to be tempered (i.e. three branches of Government for the U.S.).

To paraphrase Churchill's quote about democracy for capitalism "it is the worst form of economic system, except for all the others that have been tried." It also needs to be tempered, but with respect to what I first mentioned in my second paragraph, it is about the people and how they function both as individuals and as a group. It is always going to be a balancing act, but more often than not, erring on the side of personal freedom leads to a better long term outcome.

No system is perfect and people are going to abuse whatever is put in place and people are going to suffer hardship under that government/economic policy. Just because we cannot design a perfect system, does not mean we cannot do our best with what we know about what works and what does not. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it and mixing failed systems into something that works pretty well, is a recipe for disaster. :twocents:
I agree on both democracy and capitalism. We’re really just arguing degrees within those systems. The other input in to these arguments is moralistic and philosophical.

Let them eat cake vs. let’s all eat really nasty tasting dry cake no matter how much harder we work for our cake than others.
We are arguing degrees, but degrees add up and a few degrees difference can cause a big gap over a longer time span.

And that outlook is no more readily apparent then in your last sentence. But out of all of the folks on here that I disagree with politically, I have the most hope in you young grasshopper. :kisswink:
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:14 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:42 pm

I agree on both democracy and capitalism. We’re really just arguing degrees within those systems. The other input in to these arguments is moralistic and philosophical.

Let them eat cake vs. let’s all eat really nasty tasting dry cake no matter how much harder we work for our cake than others.
We are arguing degrees, but degrees add up and a few degrees difference can cause a big gap over a longer time span.

And that outlook is no more readily apparent then in your last sentence. But out of all of the folks on here that I disagree with politically, I have the most hope in you young grasshopper. :kisswink:
You disagree with the last sentence? It was a hat tip to you and UNI.
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kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:23 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:14 pm

We are arguing degrees, but degrees add up and a few degrees difference can cause a big gap over a longer time span.

And that outlook is no more readily apparent then in your last sentence. But out of all of the folks on here that I disagree with politically, I have the most hope in you young grasshopper. :kisswink:
You disagree with the last sentence? It was a hat tip to you and UNI.
I read too much into it. I will take the hat tip. :thumb:
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kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:36 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:02 pm
If you can't understand that a 50-70% federal income tax rate is bad for the kind of risk taking that drives growth and innovation and ultimately greater federal tax revenue then you're too daft to debate this with.

As Chizzy says "we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem", that is driving our deficit and debt.
Please show me where in this conversation I’ve suggested a 50-75% tax rate. Don’t worry…we’re not heading back to that anytime soon.
You've advocated for undoing what Reagan did and that means a tax rate of 70% on high earners.
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Yas!

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kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:46 pm This can’t be real. But if it is…WTAF?

Dude looks like Gavin Newsome. :lol:
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This guy! :lol:

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Hmmm…this might explain it.

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Baldy wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:32 am
kalm wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:46 pm This can’t be real. But if it is…WTAF?

Dude looks like Gavin Newsome. :lol:
That's how white liberals talk when they think no one is around. You should have heard my "tolerant Buddhist Democrat" neighbor when I first moved to the Seattle.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:24 am
Baldy wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:32 am
Dude looks like Gavin Newsome. :lol:
That's how white liberals talk when they think no one is around. You should have heard my "tolerant Buddhist Democrat" neighbor when I first moved to the Seattle.
How many white liberals do you know?
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kalm wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:17 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:24 am

That's how white liberals talk when they think no one is around. You should have heard my "tolerant Buddhist Democrat" neighbor when I first moved to the Seattle.
How many white liberals do you know?
Living the the Seattle area, about 75% of the population or if you would like a number, around 100 due to work.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:47 am
kalm wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:17 am

How many white liberals do you know?
Living the the Seattle area, about 75% of the population or if you would like a number, around 100 due to work.
And they all talk like this guy when they think no one is around? How do you know that?
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kalm wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:30 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:47 am

Living the the Seattle area, about 75% of the population or if you would like a number, around 100 due to work.
And they all talk like this guy when they think no one is around? How do you know that?
Because I listen to them at work and I listen to the shit their children say to mine.

Probably more on the bigoted side, but exceptionally intolerant.

Look at how Elon was the savior because of Tesla and now libs spouting the most stupid of shit because he's relaxed some of the censorship.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:06 am
kalm wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:30 am

And they all talk like this guy when they think no one is around? How do you know that?
Because I listen to them at work and I listen to the shit their children say to mine.

Probably more on the bigoted side, but exceptionally intolerant.

Look at how Elon was the savior because of Tesla and now libs spouting the most stupid of shit because he's relaxed some of the censorship.
I too know a great many liberals throughout the state including Seattle and I’ve never heard, not one single instance of them sounding anything like that.

For that matter, I don’t know any conservatives who sound like that either.

You know some strange people I guess. Especially since you said liberals in general, rather than “a few” or “that one guy.”

Bizarre.
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kalm wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:37 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:06 am

Because I listen to them at work and I listen to the shit their children say to mine.

Probably more on the bigoted side, but exceptionally intolerant.

Look at how Elon was the savior because of Tesla and now libs spouting the most stupid of shit because he's relaxed some of the censorship.
I too know a great many liberals throughout the state including Seattle and I’ve never heard, not one single instance of them sounding anything like that.

For that matter, I don’t know any conservatives who sound like that either.

You know some strange people I guess. Especially since you said liberals in general, rather than “a few” or “that one guy.”

Bizarre.
Well, its pretty easy when you have three division wide meetings over George Floyd, BLM and Jan 6th.

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It's pretty close to people who attack Dr Ben Carson for being a conservative Christian. When the mask slips...
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Here they go again. :ohno:

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For those who think the debt is a one party issue or tgat Trumpononics was good…

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My latest follow on Twitter…



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kalm wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:14 am My latest follow on Twitter…
What kind of intolerant twat mocks someone else's faith?

Why do you post this drivel? If you're going to keep posting it, maybe you should start a "Christians in the Mist" thread.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:39 am
kalm wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:14 am My latest follow on Twitter…
What kind of intolerant twat mocks someone else's faith?

Why do you post this drivel? If you're going to keep posting it, maybe you should start a "Christians in the Mist" thread.
Just showing what’s out there. Whatever you do don’t look up the Alpha Male dude on Twitter.

So faith is now off limits?

(I remember once posting the Dalai Lama quote “Kindness is my one true religion” and either 89hen or Joltin Joe replying with rofl emojis.)
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