I don't even know what he's saying? Does he even know how much a college in Europe costs? Let alone getting there and coming back. Indeed, a lot of posts with very little thought put into them.
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AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:28 amAnd we won’t. What do we do with all FUTURE student debt? Is it now forgiven forever? At what point are people going to be held responsible again for debt they willingly signed up for? Why stop at student debt? Why not auto debt? Or mortgage debt? Or credit card debt?
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Same principle as flying to Spain for a hip replacement - costs about half what it costs to stay here and have it done.
Might want to check it out a bit before adding your usual verbal flatulence.
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And if I know houndy, he’s flying there on Jet Blue to have his hip replaced.
Here’s a hint, houndy: there’s a couple areas where cheapest isn’t necessarily best….medical care and pilots are probably at or near the top.
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US - schooled doctors all over the globe, bro. Thousands of people from the US are doing it and the only rdeason its cheaper is because there isn't a middleman.
Nationalize healthcare now!
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How do you get $323k in debt for only a master's in Education? What a trainwreck of a story. Lady is 53.
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I'm glad she isn't teaching my kids.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:05 pm How do you get $323k in debt for only a master's in Education? What a trainwreck of a story. Lady is 53.
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Spain has excellent doctors and pilots.
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when its students its "cancelling debt". When its billionaires its "stimulus".AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:44 am Here’s who should NOT support any thought of canceling student debt:
A) Anyone who worked and paid their own way through college
B) Anyone who took out student loans and paid them all back as agreed
C) Anyone who’s parents paid for their college
D) Anyone who never went to college because they couldn’t afford it
E) Anyone who didn’t go to college because they didn’t see the value in it
F) Anyone who paid for their kids college so they wouldn’t be burdened with debt when they graduated
G) Anyone who busted their ass in HS to get scholarships/grants because they knew their parents couldn’t afford college for them
Who supports canceling student debt?
H) A political party pandering for votes
I) People who went to college, partied and got useless degrees and racked up tens of thousands of dollars of debt in the process and are now stocking shelves at the local grocery store or not working at all.
If they cancel any/all student debt and you are in groups A-F above, and you STILL vote democrat then you are
J) An idiot
K) The problem, not the solution
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And I was against any/all stimulus/bailouts as well. Been very consistent on that subject.houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:29 amwhen its students its "cancelling debt". When its billionaires its "stimulus".AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:44 am Here’s who should NOT support any thought of canceling student debt:
A) Anyone who worked and paid their own way through college
B) Anyone who took out student loans and paid them all back as agreed
C) Anyone who’s parents paid for their college
D) Anyone who never went to college because they couldn’t afford it
E) Anyone who didn’t go to college because they didn’t see the value in it
F) Anyone who paid for their kids college so they wouldn’t be burdened with debt when they graduated
G) Anyone who busted their ass in HS to get scholarships/grants because they knew their parents couldn’t afford college for them
Who supports canceling student debt?
H) A political party pandering for votes
I) People who went to college, partied and got useless degrees and racked up tens of thousands of dollars of debt in the process and are now stocking shelves at the local grocery store or not working at all.
If they cancel any/all student debt and you are in groups A-F above, and you STILL vote democrat then you are
J) An idiot
K) The problem, not the solution
Call it whatever you want, i think this move creates more headwinds than tailwinds for the socialist party.
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yes, tailwinds for billionaires headwinds for the students, thats the ticket.
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Wrong. Making the taxpayers pay for hundreds of billions in student loan debt taken out by irresponsible people would drive inflation even higher, which is being a dick to everyone, and encourage even more irresponsible loans, resetting the cycle to happen again, which is being a dick to everyone multiple times over.
So yeah, don’t be dick by wanting student loan debt cancelled.
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“Irresponsible” is rather judgy and presumptive.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:23 amWrong. Making the taxpayers pay for hundreds of billions in student loan debt taken out by irresponsible people would drive inflation even higher, which is being a dick to everyone, and encourage even more irresponsible loans, resetting the cycle to happen again, which is being a dick to everyone multiple times over.
So yeah, don’t be dick by wanting student loan debt cancelled.
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Lol. Exactly the opposite. The majority of this “forgiven” money was for advanced degrees and people making up to $300,000. You know…doctors, lawyers, administrators….etc. The truckers, electricians, plumbers, welders and other blue collar folks of the world (you know….those ones that the Dem party purports to support) are getting fucked right in the ass on this one. I’ve never witnessed a political party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly as badly as the donks have in the past 2 years. Unreal their inability to read the room.
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Maybe we should provide the trades with free training as well. It’s a win-win.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:32 pmLol. Exactly the opposite. The majority of this “forgiven” money was for advanced degrees and people making up to $300,000. You know…doctors, lawyers, administrators….etc. The truckers, electricians, plumbers, welders and other blue collar folks of the world (you know….those ones that the Dem party purports to support) are getting fucked right in the ass on this one. I’ve never witnessed a political party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly as badly as the donks have in the past 2 years. Unreal their inability to read the room.
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Yeah, just print another couple trillion of fiat $$ off the magic trees in DC so we can have 11-12% inflation..kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:47 pmMaybe we should provide the trades with free training as well. It’s a win-win.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:32 pm
Lol. Exactly the opposite. The majority of this “forgiven” money was for advanced degrees and people making up to $300,000. You know…doctors, lawyers, administrators….etc. The truckers, electricians, plumbers, welders and other blue collar folks of the world (you know….those ones that the Dem party purports to support) are getting fucked right in the ass on this one. I’ve never witnessed a political party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly as badly as the donks have in the past 2 years. Unreal their inability to read the room.
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Meh. Didn’t we come out of post WWII ok? Besides, there’s a massive ROI on worker training and innovation.
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Well I’d much rather do that than pay for a doctor’s MD.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:47 pmMaybe we should provide the trades with free training as well. It’s a win-win.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:32 pm
Lol. Exactly the opposite. The majority of this “forgiven” money was for advanced degrees and people making up to $300,000. You know…doctors, lawyers, administrators….etc. The truckers, electricians, plumbers, welders and other blue collar folks of the world (you know….those ones that the Dem party purports to support) are getting fucked right in the ass on this one. I’ve never witnessed a political party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly as badly as the donks have in the past 2 years. Unreal their inability to read the room.
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I’m fine if we do it if the $$$ comes from cuts elsewhere, not increased spending..
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Pretty much everybody in the nation makes up to $300,000?AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:32 pmLol. Exactly the opposite. The majority of this “forgiven” money was for advanced degrees and people making up to $300,000. You know…doctors, lawyers, administrators….etc. The truckers, electricians, plumbers, welders and other blue collar folks of the world (you know….those ones that the Dem party purports to support) are getting fucked right in the ass on this one. I’ve never witnessed a political party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly as badly as the donks have in the past 2 years. Unreal their inability to read the room.
Could you be a little more.....oh what's the word.....(coherent?)....about what it is you're trying to say?
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Your WWII references, everytime you make them, are ridiculously inaccurate from a history standpoint. We had two recessions pretty much immediately after the war, so there certainly was economic downturn (heck, the reason why Truman almost lost in '48 was because of the economic conditions). And the period after the war represented a worldview that has never been replicated since - the complete devastation of the European continent and the Soviet Empire, as well as vast swaths of Asia. Those conditions were the prime reasons why we thrived economically back then - when the rest of the world is a steaming pile of rubble, the countries left standing and basically unscathed tend to do pretty well.
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I’ve acknowledged that before.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:09 amYour WWII references, everytime you make them, are ridiculously inaccurate from a history standpoint. We had two recessions pretty much immediately after the war, so there certainly was economic downturn (heck, the reason why Truman almost lost in '48 was because of the economic conditions). And the period after the war represented a worldview that has never been replicated since - the complete devastation of the European continent and the Soviet Empire, as well as vast swaths of Asia. Those conditions were the prime reasons why we thrived economically back then - when the rest of the world is a steaming pile of rubble, the countries left standing and basically unscathed tend to do pretty well.
Yet…we didn’t shrink away from spending either post war or during the depression. In fact, we spent more on projects here and after the war abroad that economically payed us back for decades. Direct government investment in human assets and public infrastructure (tge commons) works whether the destruction is wrought by Civil war, global war, or pandemics, etc.
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There's a difference between shrinking away from spending and the new progressive economic model of there's no limit to what government can spend. Certainly there's been a belief, hopefully now disproven, that we can spend at the levels of a war or a global pandemic, and spend at those levels forever, without any negative consequences. Federal government spending never even approached half of its peak during WW2 until sometime around 1980. The reason we're in this inflationary tsunami right now, and perhaps another recession, is because we couldn't stop spending even when the crisis was over - we spent almost as much in 2021 as we did in 2020 when it was clear that the COVID issues were not the economic issues they were early in 2020, and heck, the 2022 spending is still drastically higher historically as well. Sure, the Fed is plenty complicit in this as well as they sat on interest rates forever, but there's no denying that government spending went way beyond what the circumstances called for and now we are experiencing the negative consequences of that significant over-supply of money into the market.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:16 amI’ve acknowledged that before.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:09 am
Your WWII references, everytime you make them, are ridiculously inaccurate from a history standpoint. We had two recessions pretty much immediately after the war, so there certainly was economic downturn (heck, the reason why Truman almost lost in '48 was because of the economic conditions). And the period after the war represented a worldview that has never been replicated since - the complete devastation of the European continent and the Soviet Empire, as well as vast swaths of Asia. Those conditions were the prime reasons why we thrived economically back then - when the rest of the world is a steaming pile of rubble, the countries left standing and basically unscathed tend to do pretty well.
Yet…we didn’t shrink away from spending either post war or during the depression. In fact, we spent more on projects here and after the war abroad that economically payed us back for decades. Direct government investment in human assets and public infrastructure (tge commons) works whether the destruction is wrought by Civil war, global war, or pandemics, etc.
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Eh…there are many causes. Remember the unpaid for Bush and Trump tax cuts that Democratic administrations left alone?GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:38 amThere's a difference between shrinking away from spending and the new progressive economic model of there's no limit to what government can spend. Certainly there's been a belief, hopefully now disproven, that we can spend at the levels of a war or a global pandemic, and spend at those levels forever, without any negative consequences. Federal government spending never even approached half of its peak during WW2 until sometime around 1980. The reason we're in this inflationary tsunami right now, and perhaps another recession, is because we couldn't stop spending even when the crisis was over - we spent almost as much in 2021 as we did in 2020 when it was clear that the COVID issues were not the economic issues they were early in 2020, and heck, the 2022 spending is still drastically higher historically as well. Sure, the Fed is plenty complicit in this as well as they sat on interest rates forever, but there's no denying that government spending went way beyond what the circumstances called for and now we are experiencing the negative consequences of that significant over-supply of money into the market.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:16 am
I’ve acknowledged that before.
Yet…we didn’t shrink away from spending either post war or during the depression. In fact, we spent more on projects here and after the war abroad that economically payed us back for decades. Direct government investment in human assets and public infrastructure (tge commons) works whether the destruction is wrought by Civil war, global war, or pandemics, etc.
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