Coronavirus COVID-19

[CAA Flagship]

It's also fair to speculate that many of the people with Covid listed as cause of death, did not die from the virus.

"We also know it's probably" is one of the weakest statements somebody could make.

Regardless it’s still killed a shit ton of people, would have killed a shit ton more without interventions, would have a killed a shit ton less if more people would have taken those interventions seriously.

Then there’s compromised healthcare systems, long term effects which we’re still learning about, and the the fact, it’s still here and probably for years to come.

Can you die of two things at once? Can heart disease or obesity be a cause of death along with Covid? Is it like a QB being credited with 3 TDs when he threw for 2 and ran for 1?

[GannonFan]

Again from ABCNews, 7 day moving average:

COVID Cases: down 23%
COVID Deaths: down 5%
COVID Hospitalizations: down 4%
COVID Vaccinations: up 10%

Things seem to be trending in pretty good directions, and this is anywhere from a week to a month of school starts, depending on where you live, and we're a good week out now from Labor Day and even a little longer for jam-packed college football stadiums around the country.

[kalm]

Regardless it’s still killed a shit ton of people, would have killed a shit ton more without interventions, would have a killed a shit ton less if more people would have taken those interventions seriously.

Then there’s compromised healthcare systems, long term effects which we’re still learning about, and the the fact, it’s still here and probably for years to come.

Can you die of two things at once? Can heart disease or obesity be a cause of death along with Covid? Is it like a QB being credited with 3 TDs when he threw for 2 and ran for 1?

Yes.

[Gil Dobie]

Regardless it’s still killed a shit ton of people, would have killed a shit ton more without interventions, would have a killed a shit ton less if more people would have taken those interventions seriously.

Then there’s compromised healthcare systems, long term effects which we’re still learning about, and the the fact, it’s still here and probably for years to come.

Can you die of two things at once? Can heart disease or obesity be a cause of death along with Covid? Is it like a QB being credited with 3 TDs when he threw for 2 and ran for 1?

Would you have lived longer with the heart disease and obesity if you did not catch covid?

[CAA Flagship]

Can you die of two things at once? Can heart disease or obesity be a cause of death along with Covid? Is it like a QB being credited with 3 TDs when he threw for 2 and ran for 1?

Would you have lived longer with the heart disease and obesity if you did not catch covid?

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

[Gil Dobie]

Would you have lived longer with the heart disease and obesity if you did not catch covid?

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

Yes you can have multiple. They had a stat earlier on, that 10% were people that died from other conditions, but also had Covid.

[Gil Dobie]

Would you have lived longer with the heart disease and obesity if you did not catch covid?

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

Here's a better way to explain it, from a MD

Dr. Marc Larsen, an emergency medicine physician who serves as Incident Command Operations Chair for COVID-19 at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas ( here ), told Reuters via email that when filling out death certificates, physicians will typically use a standard format and list the primary cause of death as well as other contributing factors.

He provided an analogy to someone dying of a gunshot wound whose death certificate might list gunshot wound, along with hemorrhagic shock and liver laceration, as causes of death, with homelessness (associated with more exposure to potential violence, here ), as a contributing factor. For someone who died of COVID-19, the death certificate might read COVID-19, as well as pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors.

Dr. Larsen said that in both cases, “without those two triggers,” a gunshot wound and COVID-19, “the death would not have occurred. Nothing that appears after those primary diagnoses would have transpired had it not been for the primary event. In these examples, the patients did not die directly from being homeless or being diabetic with hypertension, however, they were contributing factors.”

[HI54UNI]

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.

"The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease."


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ng/620062/

[SeattleGriz]

Would you have lived longer with the heart disease and obesity if you did not catch covid?

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

Not sure if you noticed the stats I posted showing 6% of deaths can be attributed solely to Covid. All others had contributing factors.

[AZGrizFan]

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

Not sure if you noticed the stats I posted showing 6% of deaths can be attributed solely to Covid. All others had contributing factors.

In other words, you rarely die from JUST COVID if you’re a healthy individual. COVID loves weakness.

Darwin’s theory at work.

[AZGrizFan]

No. But Covid may not have killed them without the HD or O. I'm just wondering if they are counted in both columns in this case. Seems like it should. It probably took two to tango in many cases.

Here's a better way to explain it, from a MD

Dr. Marc Larsen, an emergency medicine physician who serves as Incident Command Operations Chair for COVID-19 at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas ( here ), told Reuters via email that when filling out death certificates, physicians will typically use a standard format and list the primary cause of death as well as other contributing factors.

He provided an analogy to someone dying of a gunshot wound whose death certificate might list gunshot wound, along with hemorrhagic shock and liver laceration, as causes of death, with homelessness (associated with more exposure to potential violence, here ), as a contributing factor. For someone who died of COVID-19, the death certificate might read COVID-19, as well as pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors.

Dr. Larsen said that in both cases, “without those two triggers,” a gunshot wound and COVID-19, “the death would not have occurred. Nothing that appears after those primary diagnoses would have transpired had it not been for the primary event. In these examples, the patients did not die directly from being homeless or being diabetic with hypertension, however, they were contributing factors.”

What a horrible analogy by that doctor. The gunshot wound specifically CAUSED the hemorrhaging and liver laceration in his example. Obesity did not CAUSE the COVID. It merely attacks the weakest and unhealthiest.

[Gil Dobie]

Here's a better way to explain it, from a MD

Dr. Marc Larsen, an emergency medicine physician who serves as Incident Command Operations Chair for COVID-19 at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas ( here ), told Reuters via email that when filling out death certificates, physicians will typically use a standard format and list the primary cause of death as well as other contributing factors.

He provided an analogy to someone dying of a gunshot wound whose death certificate might list gunshot wound, along with hemorrhagic shock and liver laceration, as causes of death, with homelessness (associated with more exposure to potential violence, here ), as a contributing factor. For someone who died of COVID-19, the death certificate might read COVID-19, as well as pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors.

Dr. Larsen said that in both cases, “without those two triggers,” a gunshot wound and COVID-19, “the death would not have occurred. Nothing that appears after those primary diagnoses would have transpired had it not been for the primary event. In these examples, the patients did not die directly from being homeless or being diabetic with hypertension, however, they were contributing factors.”

What a horrible analogy by that doctor. The gunshot wound specifically CAUSED the hemorrhaging and liver laceration in his example. Obesity did not CAUSE the COVID. It merely attacks the weakest and unhealthiest.

Covid attacks everyone. If Covid causes your co-morbidities to fail, it's a Covid cause death and the co-morbidity is a contributor.

[AZGrizFan]

What a horrible analogy by that doctor. The gunshot wound specifically CAUSED the hemorrhaging and liver laceration in his example. Obesity did not CAUSE the COVID. It merely attacks the weakest and unhealthiest.

Covid attacks everyone. If Covid causes your co-morbidities to fail, it's a Covid cause death and the co-morbidity is a contributor.

Doesn’t make the analogy any less horrible. And believe you me, I KNOW horrible analogies.

[Gil Dobie]

Covid attacks everyone. If Covid causes your co-morbidities to fail, it's a Covid cause death and the co-morbidity is a contributor.

Doesn’t make the analogy any less horrible. And believe you me, I KNOW horrible analogies.

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

[SeattleGriz]

Doesn’t make the analogy any less horrible. And believe you me, I KNOW horrible analogies.

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

So they died with COVID and not from COVID?

[AZGrizFan]

Doesn’t make the analogy any less horrible. And believe you me, I KNOW horrible analogies.

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

But covid didn’t cause the comorbidities like the bullet did. Shallow thinking from a shallow doctor…

But at least we’re talking about the actual CAUSES of COVID’s death rate now, because they’ve been largely ignored up to this point.

[Gil Dobie]

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

So they died with COVID and not from COVID?

No, die from covid, with a contributing factor.

[Gil Dobie]

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

But covid didn’t cause the comorbidities like the bullet did. Shallow thinking from a shallow doctor…

But at least we’re talking about the actual CAUSES of COVID’s death rate now, because they’ve been largely ignored up to this point.

No, I've always said this, while you were listening to the MSM.

[kalm]

Doesn't really matter, you get the gest. Introducing Covid, causes the person to die, years before they normally would die.

But covid didn’t cause the comorbidities like the bullet did. Shallow thinking from a shallow doctor…

But at least we’re talking about the actual CAUSES of COVID’s death rate now, because they’ve been largely ignored up to this point.

Trump should have started a National jumping Jack/keto diet campaign from the very start…

[SDHornet]

Yes. And the use of ellipses in the quote hide a lot of context in between. National File basically created a new sentence.

Good example of misinformation though.

“So I just want to say we have to be more blunt, we have to be more forceful, we have to see something coming out: ‘If you don’t get vaccinated, you know you’re going to die,'” Rudyk said, laughing. “I mean let’s just be really blunt with these people.”

If you don't get vaccinated, there's a .03% chance you're going to die. Talk about misinformation. She's the fucking queen of it.

Exactly. Old, weak and fat people should be worried, but other than that the odds are in your favor.

[SDHornet]

Holy crap. Don't know where I got 6 comorbidities per COVID death. Maybe that was the original data sets... picking off the low hanging fruit first.

Anywho. Latest CDC stats.

78.1% of TOTAL DEATHS are over the age of 65.
94.7% of TOTAL DEATHS are over the age of 50.
6% of TOTAL DEATHS are attributed to Covid only.
94% of TOTAL DEATHS have an average of 2.9 co-morbidities (12/6/20).

Another reason why I'm not putting this shit in my kid. There is no data to support vaccinations in children. Absolutely none.

[SDHornet]

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.

"The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease."


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ng/620062/

It's almost like the hospitals have a financial incentive to see if their patients have the China Virus....hhhmmm....

[SDHornet]

Covid attacks everyone. If Covid causes your co-morbidities to fail, it's a Covid cause death and the co-morbidity is a contributor.

Doesn’t make the analogy any less horrible. And believe you me, I KNOW horrible analogies.

[SDHornet]

This is what they do when they step off the mental plantation. The irony in this black on black hit is that the vaccine mandates will disproportionally impact communities of color...essentially ushering in a new "Jim Crow" era...

[UNI88]

Here's a better way to explain it, from a MD

Dr. Marc Larsen, an emergency medicine physician who serves as Incident Command Operations Chair for COVID-19 at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas ( here ), told Reuters via email that when filling out death certificates, physicians will typically use a standard format and list the primary cause of death as well as other contributing factors.

He provided an analogy to someone dying of a gunshot wound whose death certificate might list gunshot wound, along with hemorrhagic shock and liver laceration, as causes of death, with homelessness (associated with more exposure to potential violence, here ), as a contributing factor. For someone who died of COVID-19, the death certificate might read COVID-19, as well as pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors.

Dr. Larsen said that in both cases, “without those two triggers,” a gunshot wound and COVID-19, “the death would not have occurred. Nothing that appears after those primary diagnoses would have transpired had it not been for the primary event. In these examples, the patients did not die directly from being homeless or being diabetic with hypertension, however, they were contributing factors.”

What a horrible analogy by that doctor. The gunshot wound specifically CAUSED the hemorrhaging and liver laceration in his example. Obesity did not CAUSE the COVID. It merely attacks the weakest and unhealthiest.

Maybe you're right. Stupidity is also a weakness and not getting vaccinated could be considered stupid.