Cuban Uprising

[kalm]

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Followed by annihilation.

Perhaps.

[Baldy]

I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure socialism is authoritarianism.

accuracy.

[Ibanez]

Let's be honest - the citizens feel the pressure of sanctions. Cuba has to import so much and with sanctions from medicine and food to car parts and basic supplies, they've struggled for generations because of the Castro brothers.

Medical supplies are exempt from US sanctions.

There are roughly 180 other countries who could help Cuba. Why do we need to send US dollars to Cuba to subsidize it's Communist regime?

Yeah, but let's be honest - are the best supplies getting there?

Despite the fact that the U.S. government may authorize sales to Cuba of medicines and medical equipment, in practice major medical manufacturers in the United States do not export their products to Cuba

https://ethicsandinternationalaffairs.o ... -covid-19/

I didn't say we have to send our $$$ there. We pick and chose which communist countries to work with. So there's no real ideological issue, at least in my mind. It just shouldn't be a surprise that this is happening. But what is it that's really happening? Or better yet - will it create an opportunity for real change? What's in it for us to have this poor country 90 mi from us?


And so many of the other 180 countries are following our lead so the countries that could do something probably won't

[houndawg]

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Followed by annihilation.

Communism doesn't kill people, people kill people.....I thought we were all together on inanimate things being neutral.

[UNI88]

I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Wrong. The end result of pure capitalism or pure communism is not authoritarianism. Communism in theory is not a bad thing, it's the implementation that fails. Authoritarianism results from people/government's inability to put aside their lust for power and control.

[Baldy]

Followed by annihilation.

Communism doesn't kill people, people kill people.....I thought we were all together on inanimate things being neutral.

You may have a point here...registration and background checks for all Communists.

[Baldy]

Medical supplies are exempt from US sanctions.

There are roughly 180 other countries who could help Cuba. Why do we need to send US dollars to Cuba to subsidize it's Communist regime?

Yeah, but let's be honest - are the best supplies getting there?

Despite the fact that the U.S. government may authorize sales to Cuba of medicines and medical equipment, in practice major medical manufacturers in the United States do not export their products to Cuba

https://ethicsandinternationalaffairs.o ... -covid-19/

I didn't say we have to send our $$$ there. We pick and chose which communist countries to work with. So there's no real ideological issue, at least in my mind. It just shouldn't be a surprise that this is happening. But what is it that's really happening? Or better yet - will it create an opportunity for real change? What's in it for us to have this poor country 90 mi from us?


And so many of the other 180 countries are following our lead so the countries that could do something probably won't

The Cuban people aren't in the streets protesting the embargo. I wonder why?

[Ivytalk]

Yeah, but let's be honest - are the best supplies getting there?



https://ethicsandinternationalaffairs.o ... -covid-19/

I didn't say we have to send our $$$ there. We pick and chose which communist countries to work with. So there's no real ideological issue, at least in my mind. It just shouldn't be a surprise that this is happening. But what is it that's really happening? Or better yet - will it create an opportunity for real change? What's in it for us to have this poor country 90 mi from us?


And so many of the other 180 countries are following our lead so the countries that could do something probably won't

The Cuban people aren't in the streets protesting the embargo. I wonder why?

They’re too busy fixing their ‘58 Oldsmobiles.

[SeattleGriz]

The Cuban people aren't in the streets protesting the embargo. I wonder why?

They’re too busy fixing their ‘58 Oldsmobiles.

COVID restrictions?

[kalm]

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Wrong. The end result of pure capitalism or pure communism is not authoritarianism. Communism in theory is not a bad thing, it's the implementation that fails. Authoritarianism results from people/government's inability to put aside their lust for power and control.

Lust for power and control exists in both systems. Pure capitalism is with the winners while communism is the state.

[UNI88]

Wrong. The end result of pure capitalism or pure communism is not authoritarianism. Communism in theory is not a bad thing, it's the implementation that fails. Authoritarianism results from people/government's inability to put aside their lust for power and control.

Lust for power and control exists in both systems. Pure capitalism is with the winners while communism is the state.

Yes, but if the winners use their money/power to tip the scales to their advantage it is no longer pure capitalism or pure communism. Humankind isn't ready for communism and may never be. Capitalism isn't perfect but no system has proven better in the last 2 millennia.

[kalm]

Lust for power and control exists in both systems. Pure capitalism is with the winners while communism is the state.

Yes, but if the winners use their money/power to tip the scales to their advantage it is no longer pure capitalism or pure communism. Humankind isn't ready for communism and may never be. Capitalism isn't perfect but no system has proven better in the last 2 millennia.

Agreed but I don’t think pure capitalism works either....which is what makes Orwell’s politics and writing do interesting. The sweet spot appears to be well regulated capitalism which a social democracy can function within.

[CID1990]

Kalm and Obama both hate the Iranians, especially Neda. They think the Iyatollas should do whatever they wish.

We need Chizzy to make an appearance and remind us of the beauty of Iranian women.

I am capable of doing that


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[CID1990]

I dunno, but whatever it is, it isn't the right way...or something...

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Historical proof of your assertion:

Communism: ~ 50

Pure Capitalism: 0


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[∞∞∞]

It was the first one for Marx. Orwell and I think Huxley who were more in favor democratic socialism warned against oligarchical collectivism.

The end result of pure capitalism and communism is authoritarianism.

Historical proof of your assertion:

Communism: ~ 50

Pure Capitalism: 0

It depends on which side of capitalism you're on. You think it's great because you've benefitted from the system, but many - in the US and abroad, throughout history - have taken the brunt of it. Capitalism has failed before, leading nations to find alternative economic systems. Of course communism has failed many as well.

Ultimately though, the lack of protecting democracy is what leads to authoritarianism.

I hope Cuba finds a way to restore its democracy and we should support them no matter the economic system they proceed with.

[Ibanez]

The Cuban people aren't in the streets protesting the embargo. I wonder why?

They’re too busy fixing their ‘58 Oldsmobiles.

I bet the best and most inventive mechanics in the world reside on that tiny island.

[AZGrizFan]

Historical proof of your assertion:

Communism: ~ 50

Pure Capitalism: 0

It depends on which side of capitalism you're on. You think it's great because you've benefitted from the system, but many - in the US and abroad, throughout history - have taken the brunt of it. Capitalism has failed before, leading nations to find alternative economic systems.

Please elaborate...

[89Hen]

Capitalism has failed before, leading nations to find alternative economic systems.

I'd like to hear more on this too.

[∞∞∞]

It depends on which side of capitalism you're on. You think it's great because you've benefitted from the system, but many - in the US and abroad, throughout history - have taken the brunt of it. Capitalism has failed before, leading nations to find alternative economic systems.

Please elaborate...

Elaborate on what? That capitalism has hurt people? That's an essay in itself, beginning (in recent history) with the East India Company which we still see the effects of today.

Where does communism come from? It rose from the failures of capitalism. Capitalism rose from the failures of feudalism. Mixed economies from the failures of both. Every economic system rises or reappears from the failures of a predecessor.

Every system can be good, awful, or anything in between depending how each society nurtures it.

[AZGrizFan]

Please elaborate...

Elaborate on what? That capitalism has hurt people? That's an essay in itself, beginning (in recent history) with the East India Company which we still see the effects of today.

Where does communism come from? It rose from the failures of capitalism. Capitalism rose from the failures of feudalism. Mixed economies from the failures of both. Every economic system rises from the failures of a predecessor.

So, where has capitalism failed? Are you saying the Czars of Russia were a capitalist society?

[Ibanez]

Historical proof of your assertion:

Communism: ~ 50

Pure Capitalism: 0

It depends on which side of capitalism you're on. You think it's great because you've benefitted from the system, but many - in the US and abroad, throughout history - have taken the brunt of it.

That's true for every form of government. There have always been people that bore the brunt of Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Monarchy, Oligarchy, etc... Every form of government has benefitted some at the expense of others.

IMO, reconciling the pros/cons of one form of government against another to determine which is "best" is more useful. Most communist/socialist countries have severe censorship. You only get your news from the state. You aren't allowed to question. It's amazing how just the freedom of speech can empower a people. Capitalism does prioritize profit over social good. Chasing the almighty dollar certainly makes people and corporations behave unethically (not all, mind you.) However, without the spirit of invention and discovery that so often accompanies capitalistic pursuits, we might not have had the Industrial Revolution or have experienced so many scientific discoveries.

[Ibanez]

Elaborate on what? That capitalism has hurt people? That's an essay in itself, beginning (in recent history) with the East India Company which we still see the effects of today.

Where does communism come from? It rose from the failures of capitalism. Capitalism rose from the failures of feudalism. Mixed economies from the failures of both. Every economic system rises from the failures of a predecessor.

So, where has capitalism failed? Are you saying the Czars of Russia were a capitalist society?

They were monarchs, for one thing.

[∞∞∞]

Elaborate on what? That capitalism has hurt people? That's an essay in itself, beginning (in recent history) with the East India Company which we still see the effects of today.

Where does communism come from? It rose from the failures of capitalism. Capitalism rose from the failures of feudalism. Mixed economies from the failures of both. Every economic system rises from the failures of a predecessor.

So, where has capitalism failed? Are you saying the Czars of Russia were a capitalist society?

Capitalism (like communism and other economic systems) fails people depending on where you lie in the system. For tens of millions in the US and elsewhere, it has already failed.

It is a failure those people. Period. To you, it's a success.

There is no right and wrong here, which is why DEMOCRACY is more precious than any specific economic system.

[AZGrizFan]

So, where has capitalism failed? Are you saying the Czars of Russia were a capitalist society?

They were monarchs, for one thing.

sssssshhhhhhh.....

[89Hen]

So, where has capitalism failed? Are you saying the Czars of Russia were a capitalist society?

Capitalism (like communism and other economic systems) fails people depending on where you lie in the system. For tens of millions in the US and elsewhere, it has already failed.

It is a failure those people. Period. To you, it's a success.

There is no right and wrong here, which is why DEMOCRACY is more precious than any specific economic system.

That's not what you said.