Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[houndawg]

But, there's also an EXTREMELY thin line between "financial dealings between Russian interests and Trump campaign officials" and coordination. If Russia had kompromat on Trump or anyone at a high level in the campaign - you surely can't think they would just sit back and not take advantage of that situation, right?

Actually, no, there isn't. Enough to elicit insider info from government officials, yes. Nowhere near enough to get someone to commit the kind of treason you are talking about. And people like Manafort know that immunity is always on the table for people with business dealings to come forward to the FBI when it comes to all things Russia.

Your reasoning on this is a dry hole.

You'd think they'd go ahead and release it anyway just for fun after Trump has served his purpose and the sanctions are lifted. Trump kowtowing to Putin on a daily basis must really burn people like Kelley's asses. Assuming he hasn't gone with the flow and turned traitor too.

[Ibanez]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

[Pwns]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

The media be like:



but they'll be disappointed there's nothing really sensitive here and that Trump trolled them again.

[Ibanez]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

The media be like:



but they'll be disappointed there's nothing really sensitive here and that Trump trolled them again.

Trump isn't the 'stable genius' he and his sycophants think he is.

[Rob Iola]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

It's a real Page turner...

[Ibanez]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

It's a real Page turner...

[HI54UNI]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

It's a real Page turner...

You forgot this

[HI54UNI]

Can someone please explain how this memo endangered national security?

[CAA Flagship]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

It's a real Page turner...

[kalm]

The Nunes Memo:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... -SD001.pdf

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/372022 ... epublicans

It's a real Page turner...

[∞∞∞]

That's the memo?

Yeah, I'll trust the FBI over a (highly) partisan GOP member every single time.

I just want Mueller/FBI to get to the truth. I don't care if Trump is found innocent and Obama ends up in prison for something discovered in the course of the investigation...just find the truth.

That said, I find it ridiculously odd (and worrying) how Trump and Republicans are trying to discredit the FBI. If you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.

[CAA Flagship]

That's the memo?

Yeah, I'll trust the FBI over a (highly) partisan GOP member every single time.

I just want Mueller/FBI to get to the truth. It don't care if Trump is found innocent and Obama ends up in prison for something discovered in the course of the investigation...just find the truth.

That said, I find it ridiculously odd (and worrying) how Trump and Republicans are trying to discredit the FBI. If you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Stop watching CNN and MSNBC. Nobody is trying to discredit the "FBI". It's a matter of discrediting the wrong doers. Like steroid users in sports. Hate the users, don't hate the sport.

Regarding the memo, what part wasn't already public information?

[∞∞∞]

That's the memo?

Yeah, I'll trust the FBI over a (highly) partisan GOP member every single time.

I just want Mueller/FBI to get to the truth. It don't care if Trump is found innocent and Obama ends up in prison for something discovered in the course of the investigation...just find the truth.

That said, I find it ridiculously odd (and worrying) how Trump and Republicans are trying to discredit the FBI. If you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Stop watching CNN and MSNBC. Nobody is trying to discredit the "FBI". It's a matter of discrediting the wrong doers. Like steroid users in sports. Hate the users, don't hate the sport.

Regarding the memo, what part wasn't already public information?

You seriously don't think there isn't a concerted effort to discredit the FBI investigation?

If the FBI indicts Trump, do you think the GOP will follow-up on the FBI's recommendations? Because I genuinely don't believe so, although I hope I'm proven wrong.

ps. I don't have cable.

[89Hen]

You seriously don't think there isn't a concerted effort to discredit the FBI investigation?

Interesting that you've now added a word there at the end.

[Ibanez]

That's the memo?

Yeah, I'll trust the FBI over a (highly) partisan GOP member every single time.

I just want Mueller/FBI to get to the truth. It don't care if Trump is found innocent and Obama ends up in prison for something discovered in the course of the investigation...just find the truth.

That said, I find it ridiculously odd (and worrying) how Trump and Republicans are trying to discredit the FBI. If you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Stop watching CNN and MSNBC. Nobody is trying to discredit the "FBI". It's a matter of discrediting the wrong doers. Like steroid users in sports. Hate the users, don't hate the sport.

Regarding the memo, what part wasn't already public information?

Trumps tweets suggest otherwise.

[kalm]

That's the memo?

Yeah, I'll trust the FBI over a (highly) partisan GOP member every single time.

I just want Mueller/FBI to get to the truth. It don't care if Trump is found innocent and Obama ends up in prison for something discovered in the course of the investigation...just find the truth.

That said, I find it ridiculously odd (and worrying) how Trump and Republicans are trying to discredit the FBI. If you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Stop watching CNN and MSNBC. Nobody is trying to discredit the "FBI". It's a matter of discrediting the wrong doers. Like steroid users in sports. Hate the users, don't hate the sport.

Regarding the memo, what part wasn't already public information?

There are myriad of reasons to not trust federal law enforcement and Trip's "if you've got nothing to hide" reasoning reminds me of arguments for giving up our 4th amendment rights for the sake of fighting terror.

Still, I think most law enforcement is trustworthy, and this appears to be more of political stunt than truth seeking...

Comey weighed in on Twitter as well, saying: "All should appreciate the FBI speaking up. I wish more of our leaders would. But take heart: American history shows that, in the long run, weasels and liars never hold the field, so long as good people stand up. Not a lot of schools or streets named for Joe McCarthy."

Boom!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trum ... itics.html

[∞∞∞]

There are myriad of reasons to not trust federal law enforcement and Trip's "if you've got nothing to hide" reasoning reminds me of arguments for giving up our 4th amendment rights for the sake of fighting terror.

You know better than making that connection.

On one hand, you have people willingly giving up their rights based on fear, paranoia, and "security." On the other hand, you have powerful public officials already under investigation trying to discredit investigators and continually "forget" important information.

[CAA Flagship]

There are myriad of reasons to not trust federal law enforcement and Trip's "if you've got nothing to hide" reasoning reminds me of arguments for giving up our 4th amendment rights for the sake of fighting terror.

You know better than making that connection.

On one hand, you have people willingly giving up their rights based on fear, paranoia, and "security." On the other hand, you have powerful public officials already under investigation trying to discredit investigators and continually "forget" important information.

Here's the bottom line: If you did something wrong, you should be held accountable. This includes Trump, anyone in the FBI, anyone with the DOJ, anyone with ____, etc. And the "system" needs to be tweaked in order to maintain the proper checks and balances if there is a reason to believe that the current "system" has flaws.

If (IF) bad information was solely or partially used to acquire a FISA warrant, someone needs to be held accountable because somebody fucked up.

[SDHornet]

Easy read for those afraid of it. Basically, the memo states what was speculated a few pages earlier in this thread:
• Dossier loaded with unverified info was an “essential” part in obtaining the FISA warrants
• DOJ/FBI knew about its origins and didn’t disclose them during the application for said warrant
• FISA warrant application did not disclose the fact that the DOJ knew that the dossier source (Steele) was on the payroll of the DNC and FBI.
• FISA application used a Yahoo article as a source…the Yahoo article used Steele as a source…which the FISA application claimed did not use.
• Steele fired and lied to FBI about contacts with the media
• Ohr stayed in contact before and after Steele was fired. (Ohr worked closely with Yates and Rosenstein).
• Steele stated to Ohr that he was desperate about preventing Trump from winning. Statement was not included on FISA applications.
• Ohr’s wife who worked for FussionGPS gave all her Trump oppo research to Ohr who then gave it to the FBI…all of which was not mentioned on the FISA application
• Corroboration of the dossier was in its “infancy” when it was used in the FISA application
• McCabe testified before the Intel Committee that a FISA warrant would not have been sought without the dossier.
• Recent leaked texts between Strzok and Lisa Page mentioned.

So no new news other than verification of what anyone with a brain cold see, and that is that the dossier was used to conduct this witch hunt as stated by McCabe himself.Where is jelly to claim these are still not hillbots.

We’ll see what Horowitz’ IG investigation turns up, but there should be a few more hillbot heads to roll when it is all said and done.

[BDKJMU]

If anything criminal on anyone was obtained through this improperly obtained FISA warrant it would be inadmissible in court due to the fruit of the poisoned tree doctrine, no?

[CAA Flagship]

If anything criminal on anyone was obtained through this improperly obtained FISA warrant it would be inadmissible in court due to the fruit of the poisoned tree doctrine, no?

Probably, but in the digital age, you just go back and enter through a different door to re-find the information you found the first time.

[SDHornet]

If anything criminal on anyone was obtained through this improperly obtained FISA warrant it would be inadmissible in court due to the fruit of the poisoned tree doctrine, no?

Probably, but in the digital age, you just go back and enter through a different door to re-find the information you found the first time.

Yeah but they would need to reapply for the warrant no?

[Baldy]

Easy read for those afraid of it. Basically, the memo states what was speculated a few pages earlier in this thread:
• Dossier loaded with unverified info was an “essential” part in obtaining the FISA warrants
• DOJ/FBI knew about its origins and didn’t disclose them during the application for said warrant
• FISA warrant application did not disclose the fact that the DOJ knew that the dossier source (Steele) was on the payroll of the DNC and FBI.
• FISA application used a Yahoo article as a source…the Yahoo article used Steele as a source…which the FISA application claimed did not use.
• Steele fired and lied to FBI about contacts with the media
• Ohr stayed in contact before and after Steele was fired. (Ohr worked closely with Yates and Rosenstein).
• Steele stated to Ohr that he was desperate about preventing Trump from winning. Statement was not included on FISA applications.
• Ohr’s wife who worked for FussionGPS gave all her Trump oppo research to Ohr who then gave it to the FBI…all of which was not mentioned on the FISA application
• Corroboration of the dossier was in its “infancy” when it was used in the FISA application
• McCabe testified before the Intel Committee that a FISA warrant would not have been sought without the dossier.
• Recent leaked texts between Strzok and Lisa Page mentioned.

So no new news other than verification of what anyone with a brain cold see, and that is that the dossier was used to conduct this witch hunt as stated by McCabe himself.Where is jelly to claim these are still not hillbots.

We’ll see what Horowitz’ IG investigation turns up, but there should be a few more hillbot heads to roll when it is all said and done.

Team Brown, FTW!!!

This isn't on the scale of Watergate as some has suggested, but there should be quite a few openings at the FBI and the DOJ come Monday, and a criminal investigation starting on Tuesday.

[CAA Flagship]

Probably, but in the digital age, you just go back and enter through a different door to re-find the information you found the first time.

Yeah but they would need to reapply for the warrant no?

To surveil, yes, I think so. But if they know where the information is from the first round, all they have to do is find another route to re-find it that does not involve surveillance.

[JohnStOnge]

Obviously, the memo's voracity is in dispute. We all know the the Democrats claim it is misleading. And we all know the FBI and Justice Department say it's misleading. Yes, I know there are those of you who immediately dismiss that. I saw somebody say something interesting tonight. They said they think the FISA judges themselves will make a determination on whether or not there was an issue with the way the FBI and Justice Department handled things. If so that will pretty much tell us whether this thing is credible or not.