Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[houndawg]

Mueller better get some convictions or he is going to look like an absolute fool hiring that many people if he comes away empty handed..

We already know that Flynn will be the only keeper. But the entertainment value of a years-long investigation into his finances is off the charts. Hell he's probably tweeting right now. When the fuck does he sleep anyway?

[CID1990]

Mueller better get some convictions or he is going to look like an absolute fool hiring that many people if he comes away empty handed..

We already know that Flynn will be the only keeper. But the entertainment value of a years-long investigation into his finances is off the charts. Hell he's probably tweeting right now. When the **** does he sleep anyway?

Don't tell SK-

He's so bright eyed and bushy tailed these days

[Skjellyfetti]

Flynn is definitely the guy it seems they have dead to rights. Though, I don't think that means that he will be the only guy to go down in this. Long way to go.

Mueller has a "witness-flipper" expert on his staff.

A veteran federal prosecutor recruited onto special counsel Robert Mueller's team is known for a skill that may come in handy in the investigation of potential ties between Russia and U.S. President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign team: persuading witnesses to turn on friends, colleagues and superiors.

Andrew Weissmann, who headed the U.S. Justice Department's criminal fraud section before joining Mueller's team last month, is best known for two assignments - the investigation of now-defunct energy company Enron and organized crime cases in Brooklyn, New York - that depended heavily on gaining witness cooperation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN19A1CM

And, though long rumored... seems it's starting to come out that Flynn may have flipped.

[CID1990]

DoJ is making a TURKEY out of Flynn and the media is making a TURKEY out of Jelly

[Skjellyfetti]

Because I don't believe the investigation was wrapped up a couple of weeks ago?

Ok.


Still hiring...

Now adding some legal talent with Russian language expertise.

Mueller Recruits Another Lawyer from Solicitor General’s Office to Russia Probe

Elizabeth Prelogar, a former law clerk to Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan, appears to be fluent in Russian. She formerly worked in private practice at Hogan Lovells. Her involvement in the Russia probe has not previously been reported.

Prelogar also appears to be fluent in Russian. As an Emory College undergraduate, she majored in English and Russian. After graduating from Emory she was a Fulbright scholar in Russia. When she was a 1L at Harvard Law in 2006, she won an Overseas Press Club scholarship to study Russian media and censorship.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... 0520115846

[Ibanez]

Because I don't believe the investigation was wrapped up a couple of weeks ago?

Ok.


Still hiring...

Now adding some legal talent with Russian language expertise.

Mueller Recruits Another Lawyer from Solicitor General’s Office to Russia Probe

Elizabeth Prelogar, a former law clerk to Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan, appears to be fluent in Russian. She formerly worked in private practice at Hogan Lovells. Her involvement in the Russia probe has not previously been reported.

Prelogar also appears to be fluent in Russian. As an Emory College undergraduate, she majored in English and Russian. After graduating from Emory she was a Fulbright scholar in Russia. When she was a 1L at Harvard Law in 2006, she won an Overseas Press Club scholarship to study Russian media and censorship.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... 0520115846

Yeah...you've said it twice.

[CID1990]

Because I don't believe the investigation was wrapped up a couple of weeks ago?

Ok.


Still hiring...

Now adding some legal talent with Russian language expertise.

Mueller Recruits Another Lawyer from Solicitor General’s Office to Russia Probe

Elizabeth Prelogar, a former law clerk to Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan, appears to be fluent in Russian. She formerly worked in private practice at Hogan Lovells. Her involvement in the Russia probe has not previously been reported.

Prelogar also appears to be fluent in Russian. As an Emory College undergraduate, she majored in English and Russian. After graduating from Emory she was a Fulbright scholar in Russia. When she was a 1L at Harvard Law in 2006, she won an Overseas Press Club scholarship to study Russian media and censorship.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... 0520115846

I didn't say it was wrapped up. I'm sure if we want to play semantics, as in "nothing there" equals "wrapped up"

Mueller has largely ruled out collusion on Trump's part. He's going to sniff at it to satisfy you and the rest so when the results come back and he's suddenly a bad guy like Comey was last October... nobody will be able to say he wasn't thorough or his crew was tainted

They are going to get Flynn over Turkey. You and many others are going to be very disappointed at the end of this thing because the touchstone issue isn't going to be there.


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[Skjellyfetti]

Well, it does sound like you're softening your tone from this:

Here's something you can mark down:

Mueller isn't looking at the Trump campaign for collusion. He's already ruled it out.

So, that's progress.

[CID1990]

Well, it does sound like you're softening your tone from this:

Here's something you can mark down:

Mueller isn't looking at the Trump campaign for collusion. He's already ruled it out.

So, that's progress.

No, that's exactly what I meant to say, and it still stands.

You aren't paying attention - and that's why you're so easily led

[Skjellyfetti]

Keeping tabs on who is lawyering up.

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime lawyer
Vice President Mike Pence
Attorney General Jeff Sessions

MIAMI — Michael Cohen, who for years has served as President Trump’s personal attorney, has hired a lawyer of his own to help him navigate the expanding Russia investigation.

Cohen confirmed Friday to The Washington Post that he has retained Stephen M. Ryan, a Washington-based lawyer from the law firm McDermott, Will & Emery who has experience prosecuting criminal cases as an assistant U.S. attorney.

Cohen’s hiring of Ryan as his personal lawyer was first reported by Katy Tur of NBC News.

Cohen’s decision is the latest indication that the Russia probe overseen by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is intensifying and could end up focusing on a number of Trump associates, both inside and outside the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 50b971cf0c

WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence has hired a personal criminal defense lawyer to guide him through the various investigations encircling the White House, an aide said on Thursday.

Mr. Pence has retained Richard Cullen, a former United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, becoming one of the most prominent figures in the Trump administration to have taken on personal white-collar criminal defense counsel.

Mr. Pence, who had little relationship with the president before joining the campaign ticket just before last July’s Republican convention, is most likely a peripheral figure in the government’s inquiry into Russia’s interference in the election and potential collusion with members of the Trump campaign. Paul Manafort — Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman who has been scrutinized for financial ties to a pro-Russian political party — was instrumental in recruiting Mr. Pence.

But as the special counsel investigation progresses — focusing increasingly on the president himself and his actions in office — the vice president’s account as a possible witness may become more relevant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/us/p ... awyer.html

Charles Cooper, the well-known Republican lawyer, wasn't simply in attendance at U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions' congressional hearing one week ago to support his friend. Cooper is Sessions' personal lawyer, he confirmed in an email Tuesday.

Cooper didn't provide additional details on the nature of the representation—including whether it extends to the criminal inquiry into Trump campaign affiliates' involvement with Russia.

Peter Carr, a spokesperson for the Justice Department's investigation, declined to comment because the probe is ongoing. Spokespeople for Sessions didn't immediately respond to requests Tuesday.

Cooper's involvement isn't that surprising given his public appearance with Sessions on Capitol Hill. Lawyers typically consult counsel before testifying, so that they can prepare adequately.

But a continuing attorney-client relationship between the attorney general and a private lawyer could signal they expect additional perilous legal questions—including from Robert Mueller III's special counsel investigation.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... re_twitter

[CID1990]

Keeping tabs on who is lawyering up.

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime lawyer
Vice President Mike Pence
Attorney General Jeff Sessions

MIAMI — Michael Cohen, who for years has served as President Trump’s personal attorney, has hired a lawyer of his own to help him navigate the expanding Russia investigation.

Cohen confirmed Friday to The Washington Post that he has retained Stephen M. Ryan, a Washington-based lawyer from the law firm McDermott, Will & Emery who has experience prosecuting criminal cases as an assistant U.S. attorney.

Cohen’s hiring of Ryan as his personal lawyer was first reported by Katy Tur of NBC News.

Cohen’s decision is the latest indication that the Russia probe overseen by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is intensifying and could end up focusing on a number of Trump associates, both inside and outside the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 50b971cf0c

WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence has hired a personal criminal defense lawyer to guide him through the various investigations encircling the White House, an aide said on Thursday.

Mr. Pence has retained Richard Cullen, a former United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, becoming one of the most prominent figures in the Trump administration to have taken on personal white-collar criminal defense counsel.

Mr. Pence, who had little relationship with the president before joining the campaign ticket just before last July’s Republican convention, is most likely a peripheral figure in the government’s inquiry into Russia’s interference in the election and potential collusion with members of the Trump campaign. Paul Manafort — Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman who has been scrutinized for financial ties to a pro-Russian political party — was instrumental in recruiting Mr. Pence.

But as the special counsel investigation progresses — focusing increasingly on the president himself and his actions in office — the vice president’s account as a possible witness may become more relevant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/us/p ... awyer.html

Charles Cooper, the well-known Republican lawyer, wasn't simply in attendance at U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions' congressional hearing one week ago to support his friend. Cooper is Sessions' personal lawyer, he confirmed in an email Tuesday.

Cooper didn't provide additional details on the nature of the representation—including whether it extends to the criminal inquiry into Trump campaign affiliates' involvement with Russia.

Peter Carr, a spokesperson for the Justice Department's investigation, declined to comment because the probe is ongoing. Spokespeople for Sessions didn't immediately respond to requests Tuesday.

Cooper's involvement isn't that surprising given his public appearance with Sessions on Capitol Hill. Lawyers typically consult counsel before testifying, so that they can prepare adequately.

But a continuing attorney-client relationship between the attorney general and a private lawyer could signal they expect additional perilous legal questions—including from Robert Mueller III's special counsel investigation.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... re_twitter

You wouldn't retain a lawyer?

[Skjellyfetti]

Did I say that? I definitely would be getting a lawyer... even if I were just a low level staffer.


Different from Trump's lawyer handing out cigars, declaring "total and complete vindication", and telling aides there's no need for them to lawyer up. And, everyone on here calling it a "nothing burger."

[CID1990]

Did I say that? I definitely would be getting a lawyer... even if I were just a low level staffer.


Different from Trump's lawyer handing out cigars, declaring "total and complete vindication", and telling aides there's no need for them to lawyer up. And, everyone on here calling it a "nothing burger."

So getting a lawyer ISN'T a thing, then?

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't remember Obama officials retaining criminal defense attorneys. It doesn't mean the people hiring lawyers are guilty or think they're guilty or anything. But, it's not normal if that's what you mean.

[CID1990]

I don't remember Obama officials retaining criminal defense attorneys. It doesn't mean the people hiring lawyers are guilty or think they're guilty or anything. But, it's not normal if that's what you mean.

You mean when there was a criminal investigation into those Obama officials?

There was one

Hillary most certainly did have attorneys- in fact, one of the potential targets of the investigation actually invoked atty-client privilege when refusing to answer certain questions


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[Skjellyfetti]

She didn't hire a lawyer until April 2016.

Mike Flynn is also a former Obama official, I guess. David Petraeus as well. Those were all pretty tangential, though...

[CID1990]

She didn't hire a lawyer until April 2016.

Mike Flynn is also a former Obama official, I guess.

Ah OK she wasn't actually an Obama official when she "hired" a lawyer

gotcha


I suppose Lois Lerner didn't hire an attorney? The dude advising her to take the fifth wasn't a lawyer? Heck that was just for Congress so I guess that one doesn't count, either




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[Skjellyfetti]

Lol.

Lois Lerner was a bureaucrat.

Without googling, see if you can tell me the current IRS Director of Rulings and Agreements in the Exempt Organizations.

I guess she's in the executive branch... but, you're really going all out here.

Definitely comparable to President, Vice President, and Attorney General.

[CID1990]

Lol.

Lois Lerner was a bureaucrat.

Without googling, see if you can tell me the current IRS Director of Rulings and Agreements in the Exempt Organizations.

I guess she's in the executive branch... but, you're really going all out here.

Yes because playing semantic games is so pertinent

Do you think Susan Rice had a lawyer during the Clinton "matter"?

Hint: she did- she had more than one. They set up the agreement that stipulated what questions she could be asked by the FBI

Do you think Eric Holder had an attorney for his testimony (and subsequent refusals that led to his being held in contempt?)

Hint: he did



Just because CNN didn't make a thing out of it doesn't mean it wasn't the case

When there's a chance the government is going to ask you questions about anything- you hire a lawyer

[Pwns]

NYT Columnist Calls It ‘Striking How Little Evidence’ There Is For Trump, Russia Collusion

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/20/nyt-c ... collusion/

[Ivytalk]

NYT Columnist Calls It ‘Striking How Little Evidence’ There Is For Trump, Russia Collusion

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/20/nyt-c ... collusion/

Careful, there, Pwns. That's David Brooks, the NYT's "house conservative."

Wake me up when Paul Krugman says that.

[CID1990]

NYT Columnist Calls It ‘Striking How Little Evidence’ There Is For Trump, Russia Collusion

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/20/nyt-c ... collusion/

Careful, there, Pwns. That's David Brooks, the NYT's "house conservative."

Wake me up when Paul Krugman says that.

I read articles like that for the comments sections

That one was a veritable collective head explosion

[Skjellyfetti]

FinCEN gonna bend Donny over.

Long article, and just a small piece of the puzzle.

Trump, Russia and a Shadowy Business Partnership

An insider describes the Bayrock Group, its links to the Trump family and its mysterious access to funds. It isn't pretty.

...

Bayrock partnered with the future president and his two eldest children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka, on a series of real-estate deals between 2002 and about 2011, the most prominent being the troubled Trump Soho hotel and condominium in Manhattan.

During the years that Bayrock and Trump did deals together, the company was also a bridge between murky European funding and a number of projects in the U.S. to which the president once lent his name in exchange for handsome fees. Icelandic banks that dealt with Bayrock, for example, were easy marks for money launderers and foreign influence, according to interviews with government investigators, legislators, and others in Reykjavik, Brussels, Paris and London. Trump testified under oath in a 2007 deposition that Bayrock brought Russian investors to his Trump Tower office to discuss deals in Moscow, and said he was pondering investing there.

"It's ridiculous that I wouldn't be investing in Russia," Trump said in that deposition. "Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment."

One of Bayrock's principals was a career criminal named Felix Sater who had ties to Russian and American organized crime groups. Before linking up with the company and with Trump, he had worked as a mob informant for the U.S. government, fled to Moscow to avoid criminal charges while boasting of his KGB and Kremlin contacts there, and had gone to prison for slashing apart another man’s face with a broken cocktail glass.

In a series of interviews and a lawsuit, a former Bayrock insider, Jody Kriss, claims that he eventually departed from the firm because he became convinced that Bayrock was actually a front for money laundering.

Kriss has sued Bayrock, alleging that in addition to laundering money, the Bayrock team also skimmed cash from the operation, dodged taxes and cheated him out of millions of dollars. Sater and others at Bayrock would not comment for this column; in court documents they have contested Kriss's charges and describe him, essentially, as a disgruntled employee trying to shake them down.But Kriss's assertion that Bayrock was a criminal operation during the years it partnered with Trump has been deemed plausible enough to earn him a court victory: In December, a federal judge in New York said Kriss's lawsuit against Bayrock, which he first filed nine years ago, could proceed as a racketeering case.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... r-politics

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