Obama Wiretapping Trump

[SeattleGriz]

I am on my tablet, ain't gonna happen for awhile. If you want, type in Mark Levin Fox and Friends in Google and watch the video. He lays out all the articles. By the way Levin has been calling this **** since January.

You seriously believe that crap?

I believe Levin used almost all articles from left wing papers to put the story together. Used their own stories against them. You calling the WaPo and NYT fake news, or worse, liars?

[CAA Flagship]

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I'm just trying to understand Trump's claim that Obama did this. ?

Uh...he just lies and makes stuff up all the time. And I think that is the most likely explanation for this. Yes, I have to wait to see how it all plays out. But it's not like he never made outrageous claims before that were never substantiated. That's what I expect to happen here too.

If you want to "understand" what Trump does you should factor in the fact that he lies and makes stuff up all the time. He's got zero credibility for anyone who's been paying attention to his behavior over the past 10 years or so. You pretty much need to start off with the premise that this guy is a serial liar and the chances that he's lying when he says something sensational are better than 50:50 in any individual case.

In fact I personally would put it at better than 90:10. I mean, this guy is one of the biggest liars to ever come on the scene.

If you don't have anything to add to this topic, please shut up. We heard every bit of this from you thousands of times.

[JohnStOnge]

I just looked at the Fox & Friends thing with Levin and I don't see how that helps the Trump case if you really listen to it. All you come away with is that intelligence agencies were looking at connections between the Russians and the Trump campaign. We already knew that. Levin makes a big deal about Obama having to have known about it. Well whoopdie doo. Knowing about it is not ordering it. There is absolutely nothing in anything Levin said to support the idea that Obama ordered wiretapping of Trump Tower.

[JohnStOnge]

If you don't have anything to add to this topic, please shut up. We heard every bit of this from you thousands of times.

Well then don't say you are trying to "understand" what happened. It's easy to understand. The guy is a serial liar. It's as simple as that.

[Skjellyfetti]

I believe Levin used almost all articles from left wing papers to put the story together. Used their own stories against them. You calling the WaPo and NYT fake news, or worse, liars?

I'm calling Levin a liar if that's what he said.

There's nothing in the WaPo or NYT that insinuates Obama ordered a wiretap... or anything close to that.

There's information that suggests that Trump and/or his associates may have been wiretapped. But, that's pretty fucking different than saying Obama ordered it or had anything to do with it.





Also, "Fox and Friends".

[SeattleGriz]

I believe Levin used almost all articles from left wing papers to put the story together. Used their own stories against them. You calling the WaPo and NYT fake news, or worse, liars?

I'm calling Levin a liar if that's what he said.

There's nothing in the WaPo or NYT that insinuates Obama ordered a wiretap... or anything close to that.

There's information that suggests that Trump and/or his associates may have been wiretapped. But, that's pretty fucking different than saying Obama ordered it or had anything to do with it.





Also, "Fox and Friends".

I didn't say there was proof. I said there was enough information in their pieces to call this story out and flip the script.

[Skjellyfetti]

So, acknowledging that Trump may have been wiretapped is flipping the script?

One of two possibilities:

1. The FBI and other agencies presented enough evidence of Trump collusion to get a wiretap. In this case: how is this flipping the script?! It's acknowledging that the FBI has sufficient evidence to warrant a wiretap.

2. Obama illegally ordered a wiretap during an election. Sat on the information until after the election. Released the information after the inauguration. Tsk, tsk, Obama.

#2 begs the question: Why not leak any damaging information gathered before the election?

Your theory (via "Fox and Friends") makes absolutely no sense. I'd love to hear you expound upon this, though.

[SeattleGriz]

So, acknowledging that Trump may have been wiretapped is flipping the script?

One of two possibilities:

1. The FBI and other agencies presented enough evidence of Trump collusion to get a wiretap. In this case: how is this flipping the script?! It's acknowledging that the FBI has sufficient evidence to warrant a wiretap.

2. Obama illegally ordered a wiretap during an election. Sat on the information until after the election. Released the information after the inauguration. Tsk, tsk, Obama.

#2 begs the question: Why not leak any damaging information gathered before the election?

The news script. The whole Russia crap sure died down, didn't it? Now we have people talking about Obama.

[Skjellyfetti]

The whole Russia crap sure died down, didn't it?

No.

[SeattleGriz]

The whole Russia crap sure died down, didn't it?

No.

There were a shit ton of Dems on this weekend having to answer to the questions about Obama.

[CID1990]

I believe Levin used almost all articles from left wing papers to put the story together. Used their own stories against them. You calling the WaPo and NYT fake news, or worse, liars?

I'm calling Levin a liar if that's what he said.

There's nothing in the WaPo or NYT that insinuates Obama ordered a wiretap... or anything close to that.

There's information that suggests that Trump and/or his associates may have been wiretapped. But, that's pretty **** different than saying Obama ordered it or had anything to do with it.





Also, "Fox and Friends".

Wait a sec -

So Obama didn't order any wiretaps - that's a no brainer

It's also misdirection

If a FISA wiretap happened, someone standing right next to him in his administration did order it, because no FBI agent who wants to be employed for another day goes to ask for a FISA warrant to investigate an active Presidential candidate without the blessing of the AG. It doesn't work any other way. It is high profile and it takes someone at the top of the agency to do it. That's precisely why Presidents have cabinets in the first place - to be the signature on the paper

Please continue with the parsing and hairsplitting. It's entertaining

By the way while we're talking about the definition of The Buck Stops Here .... and jumping through hoops while carrying a greased up wildcat with a buttplug in his ass-

See what you can do with the whole Bushitler McCheneyburton Lied thing while you're at it. I've heard some of the same gymnastics on that one


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[CAA Flagship]

If you don't have anything to add to this topic, please shut up. We heard every bit of this from you thousands of times.

Well then don't say you are trying to "understand" what happened. It's easy to understand. The guy is a serial liar. It's as simple as that.

Is it? Or is Trump operating so far over your head that you can't see it?

[CAA Flagship]

So, acknowledging that Trump may have been wiretapped is flipping the script?

One of two possibilities:

1. The FBI and other agencies presented enough evidence of Trump collusion to get a wiretap. In this case: how is this flipping the script?! It's acknowledging that the FBI has sufficient evidence to warrant a wiretap.

2. Obama illegally ordered a wiretap during an election. Sat on the information until after the election. Released the information after the inauguration. Tsk, tsk, Obama.

#2 begs the question: Why not leak any damaging information gathered before the election?

Your theory (via "Fox and Friends") makes absolutely no sense. I'd love to hear you expound upon this, though.

I'm not disagreeing with you as I understand that we know very little about any of this. But one thing that is widely accepted/known is that it takes very little "evidence" to get a FISA warrant. It can just about be manufactured. I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm just saying that a warrant needs little evidence.

[Chizzang]

Well then don't say you are trying to "understand" what happened. It's easy to understand. The guy is a serial liar. It's as simple as that.

Is it? Or is Trump operating so far over your head that you can't see it?

You're killin' me...
Your head appears to be the one he's flying over

[CID1990]

So, acknowledging that Trump may have been wiretapped is flipping the script?

One of two possibilities:

1. The FBI and other agencies presented enough evidence of Trump collusion to get a wiretap. In this case: how is this flipping the script?! It's acknowledging that the FBI has sufficient evidence to warrant a wiretap.

2. Obama illegally ordered a wiretap during an election. Sat on the information until after the election. Released the information after the inauguration. Tsk, tsk, Obama.

#2 begs the question: Why not leak any damaging information gathered before the election?

Your theory (via "Fox and Friends") makes absolutely no sense. I'd love to hear you expound upon this, though.

I'm not disagreeing with you as I understand that we know very little about any of this. But one thing that is widely accepted/known is that it takes very little "evidence" to get a FISA warrant. It can just about be manufactured. I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm just saying that a warrant needs little evidence.

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get


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[Chizzang]

I'm not disagreeing with you as I understand that we know very little about any of this. But one thing that is widely accepted/known is that it takes very little "evidence" to get a FISA warrant. It can just about be manufactured. I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm just saying that a warrant needs little evidence.

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get

Let's stop pretending there's nothing to see behind the Russian Curtain
Its very likely (just like we already know about China) That Trump owes Russian banks a lot of money
and he will die before he lets that big truth slide out

Thus:
The No tax returns

He'll play the shell game for as long as he can
and:

Obama tripped me..!!!

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not disagreeing with you as I understand that we know very little about any of this. But one thing that is widely accepted/known is that it takes very little "evidence" to get a FISA warrant. It can just about be manufactured. I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm just saying that a warrant needs little evidence.

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get


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I hear ya, CID.
We really don't know the reason why it was denied. Could be because of the methods to be used, or a number of other reasons. The bottom line is that the request was "tailored" in October and approved. Sounds like Trump's Immigration Ban EO.

[CID1990]

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get

Let's stop pretending there's nothing to see behind the Russian Curtain
Its very likely (just like we already know about China) That Trump owes Russian banks a lot of money
and he will die before he lets that big truth slide out

Thus:
The No tax returns

He's play the shell game for as long as he can

Oh I definitely think there was probable cause to get a warrant to check on the servers in Trump Tower that are connected to Russian banks. There's plenty of smoke there

It's pretty obvious that Trump has biz interests there.

It's also probable that he has biz interests with China, Uzbekistan, Mozambique, Benin and Liechtenstein.

But the Russians hacked the DNC - the political mill of a President and others with whom Putin had an axe to grind. So of course here we are- any ties to Russia are prima fascie evidence of collusion

If Trump and Co did coordinate with the Russians on the hacking it would be the most monumentally stupid act by any Presidential hopeful in the history of this country - because I doubt Putin needed any encouragement. And they've meddled before

(Actually McCain choosing Palin might have been dumber but you get the picture)


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[CAA Flagship]

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get

Let's stop pretending there's nothing to see behind the Russian Curtain
Its very likely (just like we already know about China) That Trump owes Russian banks a lot of money
and he will die before he lets that big truth slide out

Thus:
The No tax returns

He'll play the shell game for as long as he can
and:

Obama tripped me..!!!

Has there ever been evidence that proves that Trump is/was under audit?

[SeattleGriz]

I'm not disagreeing with you as I understand that we know very little about any of this. But one thing that is widely accepted/known is that it takes very little "evidence" to get a FISA warrant. It can just about be manufactured. I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm just saying that a warrant needs little evidence.

The first FISA request was denied by the judge back in June or July

Which sort of indicates that it stank pretty badly, given how easy they are to get


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Exactly. There was something like 1250 applications for FISA last year and the initial Trump one was the only one rejected.

From what I am reading, it all started with the FBI snooping around and deciding there wasn't enough information to pursue anything and then they tried the first FISA. That didn't get approved, so they go to FISA attempt #2, Attempt #3 overall. Looks as if someone abused the FISA because the FBI didn't think there was enough there in the first place.

[Chizzang]

Let's stop pretending there's nothing to see behind the Russian Curtain
Its very likely (just like we already know about China) That Trump owes Russian banks a lot of money
and he will die before he lets that big truth slide out

Thus:
The No tax returns

He's play the shell game for as long as he can

Oh I definitely think there was probable cause to get a warrant to check on the servers in Trump Tower that are connected to Russian banks. There's plenty of smoke there

It's pretty obvious that Trump has biz interests there.

It's also probable that he has biz interests with China, Uzbekistan, Mozambique, Benin and Liechtenstein.

But the Russians hacked the DNC - the political mill of a President and others with whom Putin had an axe to grind. So of course here we are- any ties to Russia are prima fascie evidence of collusion

If Trump and Co did coordinate with the Russians on the hacking it would be the most monumentally stupid act by any Presidential hopeful in the history of this country - because I doubt Putin needed any encouragement. And they've meddled before

(Actually McCain choosing Palin might have been dumber but you get the picture)

It's absolute fact that he owes one Chines bank $350 Million
and likely another $200 million

The tower at 1290 Avenue of Americas, near Rockefeller Center.
Loan documents show that Bank of China — agreed in November 2012 to lend $950 million to the three companies that own the building. Those companies, obscurely named HWA 1290 III LLC, HWA 1290 IV LLC and HWA 1290 V LLC, One of those obscurities is a Trump company

Trump is a 30 percent owner of that building... and the debt

A similar ownership structure is in place at 555 California Street in San Francisco, formerly the Bank of America Center. There, Pacific Life Insurance Company and Metropolitan Life Insurance Company lent $600 million in 2011 to a limited liability company of which Vornado owns 70 percent and Mr. Trump owns 30 percent.

The building is leveraged almost 300% higher than it's actual value
Making Trump Corp. a $200 Million debt owner...

And the list goes on and on and on... As Ivy already said, Trump is leveraged to the absolute hilt
He's a walking portfolio of monster debt

[CID1990]

Oh I definitely think there was probable cause to get a warrant to check on the servers in Trump Tower that are connected to Russian banks. There's plenty of smoke there

It's pretty obvious that Trump has biz interests there.

It's also probable that he has biz interests with China, Uzbekistan, Mozambique, Benin and Liechtenstein.

But the Russians hacked the DNC - the political mill of a President and others with whom Putin had an axe to grind. So of course here we are- any ties to Russia are prima fascie evidence of collusion

If Trump and Co did coordinate with the Russians on the hacking it would be the most monumentally stupid act by any Presidential hopeful in the history of this country - because I doubt Putin needed any encouragement. And they've meddled before

(Actually McCain choosing Palin might have been dumber but you get the picture)

It's absolute fact that he owes one Chines bank $350 Million
and likely another $200 million

The tower at 1290 Avenue of Americas, near Rockefeller Center.
Loan documents show that Bank of China — agreed in November 2012 to lend $950 million to the three companies that own the building. Those companies, obscurely named HWA 1290 III LLC, HWA 1290 IV LLC and HWA 1290 V LLC, One of those obscurities is a Trump company

Trump is a 30 percent owner of that building... and the debt

A similar ownership structure is in place at 555 California Street in San Francisco, formerly the Bank of America Center. There, Pacific Life Insurance Company and Metropolitan Life Insurance Company lent $600 million in 2011 to a limited liability company of which Vornado owns 70 percent and Mr. Trump owns 30 percent.

The building is leveraged almost 300% higher than it's actual value
Making Trump Corp. a $200 Million debt owner...

And the list goes on and on and on... As Ivy already said, Trump is leveraged to the absolute hilt
He's a walking portfolio of monster debt

You've painted clear picture of why it is quite fitting that Trump should be our President

He's like a metaphor for American fiscal policy


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[BDKJMU]

Remember back when lying about things wasn't suspicious at all and not a signal of a coverup?


Benghazi!!!!

(But Obama)

Um..
Benghazi was covered every day for 4 months
24 hours around clock by Fox News

and Obama was accused of lying every single day by Fox News
Regardless of evidence or anything really

I'll close with:
And you can keep your doctor...
and Afghanistan
and Holder appointment

Wow..who knew you watched so much Fox News...

[kalm]

Seriously...Mark Levin...

[kalm]

Well then don't say you are trying to "understand" what happened. It's easy to understand. The guy is a serial liar. It's as simple as that.

Is it? Or is Trump operating so far over your head that you can't see it?

Weeeeeeeee!!!!