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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:14 am
JoltinJoe wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:50 am

If Mattingly had played for the Padres, he'd be in the Hall already.
Mattingly would have missed 3 of his best years, riding the bench behind Steve Garvey.
Indeed, Mattingly would've been a good situational back-up for some of those Padres teams. Assuming he was there and not getting some at-bats in down AAA (Padres AAA affiliate was in Vegas in those days - I could see Mattingly there).

And besides, why would playing in San Diego be a ticket for the HOF? There are a total of 3 guys, 3, who played with the Padres who are in the hall right now. Not exactly a great predictor of finding your way into the HOF.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:47 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:14 am

Mattingly would have missed 3 of his best years, riding the bench behind Steve Garvey.
Indeed, Mattingly would've been a good situational back-up for some of those Padres teams. Assuming he was there and not getting some at-bats in down AAA (Padres AAA affiliate was in Vegas in those days - I could see Mattingly there).

And besides, why would playing in San Diego be a ticket for the HOF? There are a total of 3 guys, 3, who played with the Padres who are in the hall right now. Not exactly a great predictor of finding your way into the HOF.
All these guys made the hall of fame because they played for the Padres. ;)

Roberto Alomar 1988-1990
Rollie Fingers 1977-1980
Goose Gossage 1984-1987
Tony Gwynn 1982-2001
Rickey Henderson 1996-1997, 2001
Greg Maddux 2007-2008
Willie McCovey 1974-1976
Gaylord Perry 1978-1979
Mike Piazza 2006
Ozzie Smith 1978-1981
Dave Winfield 1973-1980
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:05 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:47 am

Indeed, Mattingly would've been a good situational back-up for some of those Padres teams. Assuming he was there and not getting some at-bats in down AAA (Padres AAA affiliate was in Vegas in those days - I could see Mattingly there).

And besides, why would playing in San Diego be a ticket for the HOF? There are a total of 3 guys, 3, who played with the Padres who are in the hall right now. Not exactly a great predictor of finding your way into the HOF.
All these guys made the hall of fame because they played for the Padres. ;)

Roberto Alomar 1988-1990
Rollie Fingers 1977-1980
Goose Gossage 1984-1987
Tony Gwynn 1982-2001
Rickey Henderson 1996-1997, 2001
Greg Maddux 2007-2008
Willie McCovey 1974-1976
Gaylord Perry 1978-1979
Mike Piazza 2006
Ozzie Smith 1978-1981
Dave Winfield 1973-1980
Heck, don't forget Ted Williams - he played minor league ball for the Padres when they were a minor league team, so the Splendid Splinter is basically a Padres as well. :rofl:
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But...but...but....Joe Mauer sucks. Just ask Z.
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But...but...but....Joe Mauer sucks. Just ask Z.
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A lot of New York Yankees pop up on “top 10 baseball womanizers” lists. Mantle, A-Rod, Jeter, the Bambino, Pepitone, Reggie Jackson. Probably a few other poonhounds in pinstripes. The House That Cootch Built.

As for non-Yankees, how about that Chipper Jones?
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Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am A lot of New York Yankees pop up on “top 10 baseball womanizers” lists. Mantle, A-Rod, Jeter, the Bambino, Pepitone, Reggie Jackson. Probably a few other poonhounds in pinstripes. The House That Cootch Built.

As for non-Yankees, how about that Chipper Jones?
A couple of wife swappers too.
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Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am A lot of New York Yankees pop up on “top 10 baseball womanizers” lists. Mantle, A-Rod, Jeter, the Bambino, Pepitone, Reggie Jackson. Probably a few other poonhounds in pinstripes. The House That Cootch Built.

As for non-Yankees, how about that Chipper Jones?
:coffee:

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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:52 am
Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am A lot of New York Yankees pop up on “top 10 baseball womanizers” lists. Mantle, A-Rod, Jeter, the Bambino, Pepitone, Reggie Jackson. Probably a few other poonhounds in pinstripes. The House That Cootch Built.

As for non-Yankees, how about that Chipper Jones?
A couple of wife swappers too.
Yep, How could I forget Kekich and Peterson? Two career mediocrities grabbing headlines the only way they knew how.
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JoltinJoe wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am
Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am A lot of New York Yankees pop up on “top 10 baseball womanizers” lists. Mantle, A-Rod, Jeter, the Bambino, Pepitone, Reggie Jackson. Probably a few other poonhounds in pinstripes. The House That Cootch Built.

As for non-Yankees, how about that Chipper Jones?
:coffee:

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Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:09 am
JoltinJoe wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:57 am

:coffee:

Chicks dig winners.
Well, klam, I swapped out my Royal Wulff for an Adams, but I caught the same thing.
Maybe the issue isn't your lure, but your pinkeen. :oops:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:30 am
clenz wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:26 am

But...but...but....Joe Mauer sucks. Just ask Z.
One trick pony. :coffee:
Yeah. He was a great hitter but terrible in the field.

I'm sure he cries in his gold gloves every night about how bad he was
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clenz wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:33 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:30 am

One trick pony. :coffee:
Yeah. He was a great hitter but terrible in the field.

I'm sure he cries in his gold gloves every night about how bad he was
you're an easier fish than JJ. :lol: :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:06 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:52 am

A couple of wife swappers too.
Yep, How could I forget Kekich and Peterson? Two career mediocrities grabbing headlines the only way they knew how.
That actually worked out great for the Yankees. Big George was so ticked off about that, that he ordered Gabe Paul to get rid of both of them ASAP.

Kekich got dumped to Cleveland. He had little trade value.

But Gabe Paul wanted to extract something back for Peterson, who had had a number of top seasons. So he offered Peterson to Cleveland even-up for Chris Chambliss. Chambliss had been ROY of the year in 1971 but he was not living up to expectations. Paul thought Chambliss might put up better numbers in YS and its short right-field porch.

Knowing how desperate Paul was to move Peterson, though, the Indians insisted that the Yankees include THREE of their top pitching prospects, Fred Beene, Tom Buskey and Steve Kline. Paul said no, but Big George didn't care. He just wanted Peterson gone. So Paul went back and asked for two pitchers back. The Indians offered Dick Tidrow, who had been a prospect at one time but who was considered a washout at 27; and veteran journeyman Cecil Upshaw, then late in an undistinguished career.

Paul hated the deal but pulled the trigger at George's insistence.

The deal was sharply criticized at the time, and called a heist in favor of Cleveland. But all three of the bright pitching prospects sent to Cleveland never achieved any sustained big league success. Chambliss found his legs in New York and became a very consistent, productive ballplayer. Tidrow became a key part of the Yankee bullpen. Both were significant pieces of the Yankees' late 1970s dynasty.

That wife-swap sort of worked out for the Yankees in the end.
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SDHornet wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 7:56 pm
89Hen wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 11:31 am It would be interesting to see how great he would have been viewed if he were on a decent team. I mean the Padres went from 1985-95 without making the playoffs. I certainly knew his name and that he was a great player, but being left coast on a losing team, he never comes to my mind.
Wouldn't it be harder to do what he did as there were few good hitters in the lineup? Speaks to how good he was.
Maybe, but he was probably hitting with the bases empty more often. And I was really only speaking to how many people will remember him as one of the best. Probably limited to the folks in SD and real baseball fans. A casual fan east of the Miss rarely saw him or spoke of him.
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89Hen wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 9:50 am
SDHornet wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 7:56 pm

Wouldn't it be harder to do what he did as there were few good hitters in the lineup? Speaks to how good he was.
Maybe, but he was probably hitting with the bases empty more often. And I was really only speaking to how many people will remember him as one of the best. Probably limited to the folks in SD and real baseball fans. A casual fan east of the Miss rarely saw him or spoke of him.
If you want stats, baseball has them

For his career
Gwynn with bases empty .328
Gwynn with runners on base .352
Gwynn with bases loaded .444
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 am
89Hen wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 9:50 am
Maybe, but he was probably hitting with the bases empty more often. And I was really only speaking to how many people will remember him as one of the best. Probably limited to the folks in SD and real baseball fans. A casual fan east of the Miss rarely saw him or spoke of him.
If you want stats, baseball has them

For his career
Gwynn with bases empty .328
Gwynn with runners on base .352
Gwynn with bases loaded .444
This is the Gil I love and respect. :coffee:

BTW, got any Gwynn merch for sale?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:36 am
clenz wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:33 am

Yeah. He was a great hitter but terrible in the field.

I'm sure he cries in his gold gloves every night about how bad he was
you're an easier fish than JJ. :lol: :lol:
You and this Mauer thing, Z. Give it up already. :geek:

Then again, you say Obama wasn't a good President -- so obviously your judgment is off about these kind of things. :suspicious:
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 am
89Hen wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 9:50 am
Maybe, but he was probably hitting with the bases empty more often. And I was really only speaking to how many people will remember him as one of the best. Probably limited to the folks in SD and real baseball fans. A casual fan east of the Miss rarely saw him or spoke of him.
If you want stats, baseball has them

For his career
Gwynn with bases empty .328
Gwynn with runners on base .352
Gwynn with bases loaded .444
It looked like SD was talking about nobody around him to protect him. But if he was batting with the bases empty, they could still pitch around him. I don't know, not really a baseball fan.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 am Gwynn with bases loaded .444
He was 4 for 9.

:coffee:

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SunCoastBlueHen wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 11:20 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 am Gwynn with bases loaded .444
He was 4 for 9.

:coffee:

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Gwynn had 566 plate appearances with runners on third and fewer than two outs, hitting .428 striking out 28 times
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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:33 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 am

If you want stats, baseball has them

For his career
Gwynn with bases empty .328
Gwynn with runners on base .352
Gwynn with bases loaded .444
This is the Gil I love and respect. :coffee:

BTW, got any Gwynn merch for sale?
1 rookie card, a little soft on the corners and probably 20+ other cards. A friend, former Padres employee probably had some good stuff that he would put in the Roger Maris Golf Tourney auction. No golf this year, so no auction. What are you looking for, I can ask him if he has it.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:14 am
JoltinJoe wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:50 am

If Mattingly had played for the Padres, he'd be in the Hall already.
Mattingly would have missed 3 of his best years, riding the bench behind Steve Garvey.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 11:31 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 10:33 am

This is the Gil I love and respect. :coffee:

BTW, got any Gwynn merch for sale?
1 rookie card, a little soft on the corners and probably 20+ other cards. A friend, former Padres employee probably had some good stuff that he would put in the Roger Maris Golf Tourney auction. No golf this year, so no auction. What are you looking for, I can ask him if he has it.
A mint condition card in one of those fancy cases. Nothing special really.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:55 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 11:31 am

1 rookie card, a little soft on the corners and probably 20+ other cards. A friend, former Padres employee probably had some good stuff that he would put in the Roger Maris Golf Tourney auction. No golf this year, so no auction. What are you looking for, I can ask him if he has it.
A mint condition card in one of those fancy cases. Nothing special really.
There's one on Ebay now for a Topps brand $1919.19, Gem Mint 10
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or a Topps brand Mint 9 for $149

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Fleer and Donruss brands are cheaper
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