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NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:26 am
by bandl
NEW YORK (AP)—NFL owners will vote next week whether to allow each team a possession in overtime in the playoffs if the team winning the OT coin toss kicks a field goal on the first series.
Previously, the game would end whenever either side scores, as happened in the NFC championship game in January, with New Orleans beating Minnesota on Garrett Hartley’s(notes) kick. But NFL competition committee chairman Rich McKay says a trend has developed showing too strong an advantage for teams winning the coin toss to start overtime.
If the team that falls behind by three points on the first series also kicks a field goal, then the game would continue under current sudden death rules.
The proposal is only for the postseason.
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Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:27 am
by grizzaholic
I like it.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:30 am
by AZGrizFan
I hate it. They need to go to college OT rules.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:32 am
by BlueHen86
grizzaholic wrote:I like it.
I like it because it's better than the old system, but I still think the college way is better. The NFL rules have changed over the years to favor the offense. Each team should have an equal chance in OT. This rule change helps, but the team receiving the kichoff still has an edge.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:34 am
by grizzaholic
BlueHen86 wrote:grizzaholic wrote:I like it.
I like it because it's better than the old system, but I still think the college way is better. The NFL rules have changed over the years to favor the offense. Each team should have an equal chance in OT. This rule change helps, but the team receiving the kichoff still has an edge.
But in the NFL they should start from their OWN 25 instead of the opposing teams 25.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:35 am
by bandl
I like that it's a hybrid of the old NFL rule and the current college rule. Now both teams would each recieve one chance on offense. After that if the score is still tied, then it becomes sudden death. I like it.

Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:38 am
by Willie
If they change this, NCAA basketball needs to do away with the 2 halves too. It's dumb to go from 4 quarters in high school, to 2 halves in NCAA, back to 4 quarters at the next level. Make it consistent.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:42 am
by bandl
Willie wrote:If they change this, NCAA basketball needs to do away with the 2 halves too. It's dumb to go from 4 quarters in high school, to 2 halves in NCAA, back to 4 quarters at the next level. Make it consistent.
What does NCAA basketball have to do with NFL football??

Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:43 am
by BlueHen86
bandl wrote:I like that it's a hybrid of the old NFL rule and the current college rule. Now both teams would each recieve one chance on offense. After that if the score is still tied, then it becomes sudden death. I like it.

Not if the first team with the ball scores a TD. If that happens the game is over.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:43 am
by clenz
AZGrizFan wrote:I hate it. They need to go to college OT rules.
So you would like to have the Lions and Browns go to 12 OT's? I sure as hell don't.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:44 am
by Willie
bandl wrote:Willie wrote:If they change this, NCAA basketball needs to do away with the 2 halves too. It's dumb to go from 4 quarters in high school, to 2 halves in NCAA, back to 4 quarters at the next level. Make it consistent.
What does NCAA basketball have to do with NFL football??

I'm talking consistency in sports in general asshat.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:45 am
by bandl
BlueHen86 wrote:bandl wrote:I like that it's a hybrid of the old NFL rule and the current college rule. Now both teams would each recieve one chance on offense. After that if the score is still tied, then it becomes sudden death. I like it.

Not if the first team with the ball scores a TD. If that happens the game is over.
Right...sorry, should have specified.
What happens with a safety?

Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:46 am
by bandl
Willie wrote:bandl wrote:
What does NCAA basketball have to do with NFL football??

I'm talking consistency in sports in general asshat.
Take your consistency to the Other College Sports Forum! This is the Other Sports forum!
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:48 am
by BlueHen86
grizzaholic wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:
I like it because it's better than the old system, but I still think the college way is better. The NFL rules have changed over the years to favor the offense. Each team should have an equal chance in OT. This rule change helps, but the team receiving the kichoff still has an edge.
But in the NFL they should start from their OWN 25 instead of the opposing teams 25.
I was thinking the 35 or 40. They could also make a rule that if a players scores a TD either he kicks the extra point or his team goes for 2.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:49 am
by BlueHen86
bandl wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:
Not if the first team with the ball scores a TD. If that happens the game is over.
Right...sorry, should have specified.
What happens with a safety?

2 points.

Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:54 am
by SuperHornet
You're misrepresenting the proposal, bandl. The proposal does not "do away" with sudden death. It merely delays the start of sudden death until BOTH teams have had a possession, which is what I've proposed for years. But it doesn't go far enough. Tying it to the toss winners getting a FG? That's lame, and it's one extra thing to remember. Don't tie it to ANY score. Both teams get a possession, PERIOD. TD, FG, safety, turnover, 3-and-out, it shouldn't matter. The whole idea is that the start of OT and the start of sudden death do NOT co-incide. This makes the extra quarter fair to both teams.
BTW, that college/HS OT is bogus. It is artificial. Scores and stats baloon artificially, and the stipulation forcing a 2-pt conversion is dumb. Use a standard NFL OT modified as above.
I also agree about hoops timing. The change for college only is dumb.
Of course, the new football OT only works if you have an intelligent person calling the toss. One only has to look as far as Abner Haynes to see how a guy can screw things royally. He almost cost his team an AFL Championship because his mouth moved faster than his head. Lucky for him the game went to TWO overtimes....
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:55 am
by Willie
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:55 am
by bandl
BlueHen86 wrote:bandl wrote:
Right...sorry, should have specified.
What happens with a safety?

2 points.

Interesting theory....
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:56 am
by bandl
SuperHornet wrote:You're misrepresenting the proposal, bandl. The proposal does not "do away" with sudden death. It merely delays the start of sudden death until BOTH teams have had a possession, which is what I've proposed for years. But it doesn't go far enough. Tying it to the toss winners getting a FG? That's lame, and it's one extra thing to remember. Don't tie it to ANY score. Both teams get a possession, PERIOD. TD, FG, safety, turnover, 3-and-out, it shouldn't matter. The whole idea is that the start of OT and the start of sudden death do NOT co-incide. This makes the extra quarter fair to both teams.
BTW, that college/HS OT is bogus. It is artificial. Scores and stats baloon artificially, and the stipulation forcing a 2-pt conversion is dumb. Use a standard NFL OT modified as above.
I also agree about hoops timing. The change for college only is dumb.
Of course, the new football OT only works if you have an intelligent person calling the toss. One only has to look as far as Abner Haynes to see how a guy can screw things royally. He almost cost his team an AFL Championship because his mouth moved faster than his head. Lucky for him the game went to TWO overtimes....
Sorry, I should have told everyone that you've been proposing this for years. Will this be called the SuperHornet rule when/if it's adopted by the NFL?
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:58 am
by SuperHornet
Only if they get it right. I don't want ANYTHING to do with it if they have that dumb proviso tying it to a FG.
LOL.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:10 pm
by BlueHen86
SuperHornet wrote:Only if they get it right. I don't want ANYTHING to do with it if they have that dumb proviso tying it to a FG.
LOL.
Just play the OT like it was regulation, only each team gets the same number of possessions. If Team A scores on it's second possession and Team B has only had the ball once, Team B gets the ball one more time. Kind of like extra innings in baseball. Each team gets the same number of possessions until the tie is broken.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:28 pm
by Grizalltheway
clenz wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:I hate it. They need to go to college OT rules.
So you would like to have the Lions and Browns go to 12 OT's? I sure as hell don't.
It'll be a cold day in hell when those two teams make the playoffs in the same season.

Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:53 pm
by BlueHen86
Grizalltheway wrote:clenz wrote:
So you would like to have the Lions and Browns go to 12 OT's? I sure as hell don't.
It'll be a cold day in hell when those two teams make the playoffs in the same season.

And even colder when they meet in the Superbowl, which is the only way they could meet in the post season under the current set up.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:26 pm
by FargoBison
Willie wrote:If they change this, NCAA basketball needs to do away with the 2 halves too. It's dumb to go from 4 quarters in high school, to 2 halves in NCAA, back to 4 quarters at the next level. Make it consistent.
There are states where high school basketball has two halves and not quarters.
Re: NFL will possibly do away with sudden death in playoffs
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:35 pm
by clenz
FargoBison wrote:Willie wrote:If they change this, NCAA basketball needs to do away with the 2 halves too. It's dumb to go from 4 quarters in high school, to 2 halves in NCAA, back to 4 quarters at the next level. Make it consistent.
There are states where high school basketball has two halves and not quarters.
Minnesota being one of them. They switched to that about 5 or 6 years ago.