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1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.


VOTING PANEL: Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Rick Byrd (Belmont), Dave Calloway (Monmouth), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Steve Donahue (Cornell), Anthony Evans (Norfolk State), James Fox (Davidson), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Eddie Jackson (American), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara) *, Billy Kennedy (Murray State), Tod Kowalczyk (UW-Green Bay), Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Jim Les (Bradley), Mike Lonergan (Vermont), Bob Marlin (Sam Houston State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Tom Pecora (Hofstra), Vann Pettaway (Alabama A&M), Rick Scruggs (Gardner-Webb), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Gary Stewart (UC Davis), Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts), Wayne Tinkle (Montana), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)

clenz wrote:

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.

Tried to bold all the FCS football programs, but I'm sure I missed some

clenz wrote:They don't really matter though...


Honestly I did pretty good then, I thought I missed more than that. I just did a real quick skim of it.

clenz wrote:

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.


VOTING PANEL: Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Rick Byrd (Belmont), Dave Calloway (Monmouth), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Steve Donahue (Cornell), Anthony Evans (Norfolk State), James Fox (Davidson), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Eddie Jackson (American), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara) *, Billy Kennedy (Murray State), Tod Kowalczyk (UW-Green Bay), Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Jim Les (Bradley), Mike Lonergan (Vermont), Bob Marlin (Sam Houston State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Tom Pecora (Hofstra), Vann Pettaway (Alabama A&M), Rick Scruggs (Gardner-Webb), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Gary Stewart (UC Davis), Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts), Wayne Tinkle (Montana), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)

UNI plays Siena in December in Cedar Falls...huge match up there.


Tried to bold all the FCS football programs, but I'm sure I missed some

SuperHornet wrote:Two beefs with this: how the cr@p is undefeated UOP not in the main poll? They should be in the Top 10. And how the cr@p is a team that beat B(C)$ Oregon State not getting a SINGLE vote?!?

People aren't paying attention to cr@p out west again....

BlueHen86 wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Two beefs with this: how the cr@p is undefeated UOP not in the main poll? They should be in the Top 10. And how the cr@p is a team that beat B(C)$ Oregon State not getting a SINGLE vote?!?

People aren't paying attention to cr@p out west again....

I'm pretty sure that it's okay to say crap on this site.

Also, Oregon St. sucks, I wouldn't use them as the highlight of a resume. They are 1-3 with losses to Texas A&M Corpus Christi, Sacramento St. and Texas Tech. Their only win is against South Dakota.

SuperHornet wrote:BlueHen: Corpus Christi isn't too far removed from a dance ticket. They can't be THAT bad.

Venus: Sac already has three wins and looks well on their way to a fourth today. Last year's 2-27 is MEANINGLESS.

SuperHornet wrote: Venus: Sac already has three wins and looks well on their way to a fourth today

. Last year's 2-27 is MEANINGLESS.

SuperHornet wrote:Well, I must say, Venus, you are the only one so far to give us ANY shred of credit for that win, so I guess I'll have to take it for now. I have no pretensions of making the NCAAs (that belongs to MSU this year), but I do believe that Sac will be MUCH improved, despite what those ECBers maintain (they think ANYONE in the Pac-10 is weak).

As for that Riverside game, well, at the time I posted, it looked like Sac had a pretty good shot at it. How they played the game they did and then failed to cover a tip-in play beats me.

Many at SacBuzz were all over Katz last year though he was trying to make do with what was left over from the previous incompetent regime. He's starting to get results now that his own are taking over. World beaters? Not this year. But certainly a whole lot better than in the past.

OSBF wrote:College insider can kiss my ass. Illinois State, or any other MVC mens basketball program is not a fucking "mid major", whatever that means. It's a term invented by the BCS conferences to further draw a line. If you buy into it, only serves to deepen the divide.

clenz wrote:

OSBF wrote:College insider can kiss my ass. Illinois State, or any other MVC mens basketball program is not a fucking "mid major", whatever that means. It's a term invented by the BCS conferences to further draw a line. If you buy into it, only serves to deepen the divide.

Agreed. A lot of people actually put the MVC into a High Major Category. This is usually what I see


BCS
ACC
Big 12
Big East
Big Ten
Pac-10
SEC

High-Major
Atlantic 10
Conference USA
MVC
MWC
WAC

Mid-Major
Big West
Colonial
Horizon
MAC
MAAC
Southern
Sun Belt
WCC


I'm assuming if your conference didn't make that list they would be a Low-Major

SuperHornet wrote:Once again, this is hogwash. If you go by individual teams, the classification can change. This is particularly true for the "mid-major" conferences, where the top teams can actually be high-major (read: Gonzaga) and the lesser teams (read: San Fran) could actually be considered low-major. Of course, the B(C)$ and the A-10 won't allow that subclassification for THEIR schools and get away with it because they control the $$. An argument could be made that MVC/MWC/WAC/C-USA are actually mid-major, but that's beside the point. The top members of each conference (UOP, SW MO St, Utah, etc.) would be seen by TRUE fans as better than the bottom half of even B(C)$ conferences and on some days better than the top B(C)$ teams.

But I WILL agree with OSBF that the entire classification scheme exists to keep the B(C)$ and (to a lesser extent) the A-10 in the $$. Perhaps we should investigate the idea of returning from FBS/FCS to I-A/I-AA and extending the designation to hoops. It might be going a bit far to extend it to baseball given the success of the Big West in that sport, but at least a separate tournament for I-AA hoops would generate SOME revenue (even if not the bonanza of the I-A tournament) and these schools would get SOME recognition vice the vast attitude of ignoring them that pervades the bogus media.