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Youngstown State @ #3 Southern Illinois
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:45 pm
by guinzone
Youngstown State 4-2 (2-1)
@ Southern Illinois 5-1 (4-0) [Likely to be ranked #2 or #3 come Monday]
Saturday | 4pm/et
Could someone update the title to reflect the rankings come Monday
SIU is coming off an E-N-O-R-M-O-U-S upset at the UNI Dome over Northern Iowa, winning by the final score of 27-20. SIU scored two late touchdowns in the fourth quarter to defeat the previous #2 Northern Iowa Panthers.
HISTORY
YSU is just 3-5 against Southern Illinois in the Heacock era [Wins in 01-02-06]
In 2001, YSU won @ SIU 31-7.
In 2003, YSU lost @ #3 SIU 24-17
In 2005, #15 YSU lost @ #5 SIU 31-17.
In 2007, #10 YSU lost @ #6 SIU 24-17.
-History shows that YSU has been in every game, at least through 3 quarters, against Top 10 Saluki teams at McAndrew Stadium.
-In 2006, YSU beat a #1/#2 Illinois State team on the road 27-13, so it is not out of the realm of possibilities to win in a hostile environment.
KEYS TO a YSU Upset:
Penguin's do everything right.
Saluki's turn the ball over.
Play like we did in the 1st half vs. WIU.
THOUGHTS?
[Edit: I had the YSU vs. SIU record wrong, we ended up winning in 2001 and 2002.]
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:40 am
by guinzone
BUMP...
Go Guins!
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:54 am
by houndawg
SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:04 am
by AZGrizFan
houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
I think any time you go into a highly ranked teams home stadium and win, it's somewhat of an upset. Don't get your panties in a bunch, old man.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:57 am
by Cleets Part 2
Can both teams lose..? That's how excited I am....
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:04 am
by guinzone
houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
You had lost 11 in a row at the pUNI Dome, therefore it is an upset in my eyes.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:56 pm
by JayJ79
guinzone wrote:houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
You had lost 11 in a row at the pUNI Dome, therefore it is an upset in my eyes.
YSU knows all about losing streaks vs. UNI.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:36 pm
by DJH
houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
Don't kid yourself. Beating the 2nd ranked, 14 time conference champ in a building that you haven't won at in over 25 years IS an upset.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:27 pm
by houndawg
DJH wrote:houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
Don't kid yourself. Beating the 2nd ranked, 14 time conference champ in a building that you haven't won at in over 25 years IS an upset.
We beat the 14-time conference champ last year.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:31 pm
by JayJ79
houndawg wrote:We beat the 14-time conference champ last year.
it was an upset then, too.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:04 pm
by skinny_uncle
DJH wrote:houndawg wrote:SIU's victory over UNI was not an upset.
Don't kid yourself. Beating the 2nd ranked, 14 time conference champ in a building that you haven't won at in over 25 years IS an upset.
Well......
Coach Chuck did seem a bit upset after the game. Does that count?
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:12 pm
by skinny_uncle
Back to the original topic.
I'm sure the Penguins will be highly motivated heading into Carbondale. They know a win here would shoot them into the rankings. I just don't think they have the hosses to hang with the Dawgs. They won't be able to slow down Karim. I expect the Penguin QB to be both sacked and picked. It will be a long day for the flightless birds.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:56 pm
by guinzone
skinny_uncle wrote:Back to the original topic.
I'm sure the Penguins will be highly motivated heading into Carbondale. They know a win here would shoot them into the rankings. I just don't think they have the hosses to hang with the Dawgs. They won't be able to slow down Karim. I expect the Penguin QB to be both sacked and picked. It will be a long day for the flightless birds.
There are two reasons why I think YSU can pull the upset:
1) Our Quarterback Brandon Summers. Last year, SIU did not face Summers who was out with an injury. The kid has shown signs of brilliance at YSU when he does not force his passes.
2) The YSU Defense. Since the Pitt Game: 14 vs. Austin Peay, 14 vs. Northeastern, 0 vs. Indiana State, 17 vs. Missouri State, and 21 vs. Western Illinois... For an average of: 13 ppg.
If the YSU Defense can hold SIU to 24 or less points, YSU has a chance.
And listen, the history of the past three meetings in Carbondale tells the story. SIU was tied with or had a 1 touchdown lead going into the 4th quarter, where they eventually won. If YSU can keep it within a possession into the 4th quarter, they could pull the upset.
And remember... YSU Head Coach Jon Heacock is fighting to keep his job. A win and he survives another week. A loss and he may as well end up begin packing his bags.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:02 pm
by DJH
Lets go 'Guins!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one!!!!!!!!!
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:30 pm
by houndawg
guinzone wrote:skinny_uncle wrote:Back to the original topic.
I'm sure the Penguins will be highly motivated heading into Carbondale. They know a win here would shoot them into the rankings. I just don't think they have the hosses to hang with the Dawgs. They won't be able to slow down Karim. I expect the Penguin QB to be both sacked and picked. It will be a long day for the flightless birds.
There are two reasons why I think YSU can pull the upset:
1) Our Quarterback Brandon Summers. Last year, SIU did not face Summers who was out with an injury. The kid has shown signs of brilliance at YSU when he does not force his passes.
2) The YSU Defense. Since the Pitt Game: 14 vs. Austin Peay, 14 vs. Northeastern, 0 vs. Indiana State, 17 vs. Missouri State, and 21 vs. Western Illinois... For an average of: 13 ppg.
If the YSU Defense can hold SIU to 24 or less points, YSU has a chance.
And listen, the history of the past three meetings in Carbondale tells the story. SIU was tied with or had a 1 touchdown lead going into the 4th quarter, where they eventually won. If YSU can keep it within a possession into the 4th quarter, they could pull the upset.
And remember... YSU Head Coach Jon Heacock is fighting to keep his job. A win and he survives another week. A loss and he may as well end up begin packing his bags.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:34 pm
by houndawg
guinzone wrote:skinny_uncle wrote:Back to the original topic.
I'm sure the Penguins will be highly motivated heading into Carbondale. They know a win here would shoot them into the rankings. I just don't think they have the hosses to hang with the Dawgs. They won't be able to slow down Karim. I expect the Penguin QB to be both sacked and picked. It will be a long day for the flightless birds.
There are two reasons why I think YSU can pull the upset:
1) Our Quarterback Brandon Summers. Last year, SIU did not face Summers who was out with an injury. The kid has shown signs of brilliance at YSU when he does not force his passes.
2) The YSU Defense. Since the Pitt Game: 14 vs. Austin Peay, 14 vs. Northeastern, 0 vs. Indiana State, 17 vs. Missouri State, and 21 vs. Western Illinois... For an average of: 13 ppg.
If the YSU Defense can hold SIU to 24 or less points, YSU has a chance.
And listen, the history of the past three meetings in Carbondale tells the story. SIU was tied with or had a 1 touchdown lead going into the 4th quarter, where they eventually won. If YSU can keep it within a possession into the 4th quarter, they could pull the upset.
And remember... YSU Head Coach Jon Heacock is fighting to keep his job. A win and he survives another week. A loss and he may as well end up begin packing his bags.
Except that nobody but Marshall has scored more than 23 on us. Even UNI only had 20 and they averaged over 40 ppg. Maybe next year.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:44 am
by guinzone
houndawg wrote:guinzone wrote:
There are two reasons why I think YSU can pull the upset:
1) Our Quarterback Brandon Summers. Last year, SIU did not face Summers who was out with an injury. The kid has shown signs of brilliance at YSU when he does not force his passes.
2) The YSU Defense. Since the Pitt Game: 14 vs. Austin Peay, 14 vs. Northeastern, 0 vs. Indiana State, 17 vs. Missouri State, and 21 vs. Western Illinois... For an average of: 13 ppg.
If the YSU Defense can hold SIU to 24 or less points, YSU has a chance.
And listen, the history of the past three meetings in Carbondale tells the story. SIU was tied with or had a 1 touchdown lead going into the 4th quarter, where they eventually won. If YSU can keep it within a possession into the 4th quarter, they could pull the upset.
And remember... YSU Head Coach Jon Heacock is fighting to keep his job. A win and he survives another week. A loss and he may as well end up begin packing his bags.
Except that nobody but Marshall has scored more than 23 on us. Even UNI only had 20 and they averaged over 40 ppg. Maybe next year.
We'll see come Saturday. I expect some new offensive looks on the field, such as running qb Dailyn Campbell coming in on short yardage situations, perhaps some option plays, and of course the occassional trick play.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:36 am
by houndawg
guinzone wrote:houndawg wrote:
Except that nobody but Marshall has scored more than 23 on us. Even UNI only had 20 and they averaged over 40 ppg. Maybe next year.
We'll see come Saturday. I expect some new offensive looks on the field, such as running qb Dailyn Campbell coming in on short yardage situations, perhaps some option plays, and of course the occassional trick play.
That isn't new, you tried that in '07 with Ferlando Williams. Your biggest plus is that we'll likely be a little flat after UNI.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:14 am
by guinzone
Williams was a wide receiver. He was 6 foot 195 pounds.
Campbell is a quarterback. He is 6'1 foot and 215 pounds, although he looks a lot bigger.
And it is worth noting, Summers is a mobile QB, but our coaching staff has not let him run the ball because he if were to get injured, we would be 'screwed'.
It will be interesting to see if they let him loose for the first time all season. His mobility was a huge reason we beat #2 NDSU last year, even though they turned out to suck come years end.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:34 am
by clenz
guinzone wrote:
It will be interesting to see if they let him loose for the first time all season. His mobility was a huge reason we beat #2 NDSU last year, even though they turned out to suck come years end.
I think a large reason you beat NDSU was they sucked balls.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:25 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:50 pm
by AZGrizFan
houndawg wrote:guinzone wrote:
We'll see come Saturday. I expect some new offensive looks on the field, such as running qb Dailyn Campbell coming in on short yardage situations, perhaps some option plays, and of course the occassional trick play.
That isn't new, you tried that in '07 with Ferlando Williams.
Your biggest plus is that we'll likely be a little flat after UNI.
That possibility does exist. However, this game being at SIU helps from that standpoint.
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:09 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Re: Youngstown State @ Southern Illinois
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:11 pm
by AZGrizFan
I forgot. I never played the game in college. I wouldn't understand.
Re: Youngstown State @ #3 Southern Illinois
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:43 am
by guinzone
SIU opens up as 18 point favorites...
Youngstown State at Southern Illinois
10/24/2009
4:00 PM (EST) 549 Youngstown State +18 -120
550 Southern Illinois -18 -120
