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uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:38 pm If you think MSU gets a higher seed than Montana, you're high.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:00 pm

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:38 pm If you think MSU gets a higher seed than Montana, you're high.

I agree. MSU looked like a total fraud today. It's hard to argue for putting UM above Sac or EWU, though (assuming EWU holds on). As a result, I don't see any justification for Hauck's wish for the Griz to be a top-4 seed.

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:09 pm

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:00 pm

I agree. MSU looked like a total fraud today. It's hard to argue for putting UM above Sac or EWU, though (assuming EWU holds on). As a result, I don't see any justification for Hauck's wish for the Griz to be a top-4 seed.

It's a weird scenario.

Sac and EWU's best win is against Montana (Sac when the Griz were pretty decimated with injuries), and EWU has a "bad" loss against Weber.

Montana has two much better wins against UW and MSU, and has looked much improved over the last few weeks.

I agree that I don't think Montana gets the 4 seed, but I don't think it's out of the question.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:18 pm

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:09 pm
It's a weird scenario.

Sac and EWU's best win is against Montana (Sac when the Griz were pretty decimated with injuries), and EWU has a "bad" loss against Weber.

Montana has two much better wins against UW and MSU, and has looked much improved over the last few weeks.

I agree that I don't think Montana gets the 4 seed, but I don't think it's out of the question.

You're forgetting EWU has an FBS win, too, and both Sac & EWU beat Davis convincingly.

The Griz lost to both EWU & Sac, and their record is no better, so it's hard to justify putting the Griz higher. The committee has done weird things before, though.

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:28 pm

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:18 pm

You're forgetting EWU has an FBS win, too, and both Sac & EWU beat Davis convincingly.

The Griz lost to both EWU & Sac, and their record is no better, so it's hard to justify putting the Griz higher. The committee has done weird things before, though.

Again, I'm not saying we'll get the 4 seed, but I think it's definitely a possibility.

It's like someone saying Villanova should be ahead of JMU. Maybe they will be, but H2H isn't the end-all-be-all here, IMO.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 pm

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:28 pm
Again, I'm not saying we'll get the 4 seed, but I think it's definitely a possibility.

It's like someone saying Villanova should be ahead of JMU. Maybe they will be, but H2H isn't the end-all-be-all here, IMO.

That could be true, though H2H should be big if things are otherwise close IMO. I don't see a legit reason to put JMU higher than Nova, though—the H2H is really the only thing that separates them.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:00 pm

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:38 pm If you think MSU gets a higher seed than Montana, you're high.

I agree. MSU looked like a total fraud today. It's hard to argue for putting UM above Sac or EWU, though (assuming EWU holds on). As a result, I don't see any justification for Hauck's wish for the Griz to be a top-4 seed.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:18 pm

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:09 pm
It's a weird scenario.

Sac and EWU's best win is against Montana (Sac when the Griz were pretty decimated with injuries), and EWU has a "bad" loss against Weber.

Montana has two much better wins against UW and MSU, and has looked much improved over the last few weeks.

I agree that I don't think Montana gets the 4 seed, but I don't think it's out of the question.

You're forgetting EWU has an FBS win, too, and both Sac & EWU beat Davis convincingly.

The Griz lost to both EWU & Sac, and their record is no better, so it's hard to justify putting the Griz higher. The committee has done weird things before, though.


Oh, and I just noticed BDK put Weber in. I'm skeptical that'll happen (they'd be below UNI in the pecking order, I'm pretty sure, and there haven't been two 6-5 at-larges in the same season).

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:09 pm

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:00 pm

I agree. MSU looked like a total fraud today. It's hard to argue for putting UM above Sac or EWU, though (assuming EWU holds on). As a result, I don't see any justification for Hauck's wish for the Griz to be a top-4 seed.

MT, MT ST, and EWU are all 9-2, and they round robbined each other:
-EWU beat MT
-MT beat MT ST
-MT St beat EWU
So that doesn‘t solve anything. But in the Big Sky:
MT 7-1
EWU 6-2
MT 6-2

7-1 trumps 6-2. Then 6-2 trumps 6-2 head to head.
So logically the order would have to be MT ST then EWU then MT.

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:40 pm

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 pm

That could be true, though H2H should be big if things are otherwise close IMO. I don't see a legit reason to put JMU higher than Nova, though—the H2H is really the only thing that separates them.

How do you justify putting EWU ahead of MSU, then?

Because, IMO, Montana has to be above MSU, and MSU has to be above EWU.

You can put Sac above all of them, I guess, but it would be weird for the committee to make a big deal about head to head, and then have it

EWU
UM
MSU

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:36 am

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:40 pm
How do you justify putting EWU ahead of MSU, then?

Because, IMO, Montana has to be above MSU, and MSU has to be above EWU.

You can put Sac above all of them, I guess, but it would be weird for the committee to make a big deal about head to head, and then have it

EWU
UM
MSU

Compared to:

JMU
Nova
Montana
MSU
SAC…

EWU has a stronger SoS, most quality wins, highest computer rankings (before yesterday), no bad losses (both good teams and a combined 4 points.) UNLV is ranked 1 ahead of Vandy in Massey this week. The only actual metrics working against us are the H2H against the cats, and longer win streaks.

I’m not saying EWU will get the three or four, but all there’s a compelling case to seed us higher than the other three and a compelling case for a BSC to be as high as 3.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:05 am

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:36 am

Compared to:

JMU
Nova
Montana
MSU
SAC…

EWU has a stronger SoS, most quality wins, highest computer rankings (before yesterday), no bad losses (both good teams and a combined 4 points.) UNLV is ranked 1 ahead of Vandy in Massey this week. The only actual metrics working against us are the H2H against the cats, and longer win streaks.

I’m not saying EWU will get the three or four, but all there’s a compelling case to seed us higher than the other three and a compelling case for a BSC to be as high as 3.

You played a D-II school and UNLV. Nice “SOS”….lol Playing that D-II school may cost you a top 4 seed.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:36 am

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:40 pm
How do you justify putting EWU ahead of MSU, then?

Because, IMO, Montana has to be above MSU, and MSU has to be above EWU.

You can put Sac above all of them, I guess, but it would be weird for the committee to make a big deal about head to head, and then have it

EWU
UM
MSU

Compared to:

JMU
Nova
Montana
MSU
SAC…

EWU has a stronger SoS, most quality wins, highest computer rankings (before yesterday), no bad losses (both good teams and a combined 4 points.) UNLV is ranked 1 ahead of Vandy in Massey this week. The only actual metrics working against us are the H2H against the cats, and longer win streaks.

I’m not saying EWU will get the three or four, but all there’s a compelling case to seed us higher than the other three and a compelling case for a BSC to be as high as 3.

uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:47 am

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:36 am

Compared to:

JMU
Nova
Montana
MSU
SAC…

EWU has a stronger SoS, most quality wins, highest computer rankings (before yesterday), no bad losses (both good teams and a combined 4 points.) UNLV is ranked 1 ahead of Vandy in Massey this week. The only actual metrics working against us are the H2H against the cats, and longer win streaks.

I’m not saying EWU will get the three or four, but all there’s a compelling case to seed us higher than the other three and a compelling case for a BSC to be as high as 3.

Myself and the committee obviously disagreed.

4. Sac
6. UM
8. MSU

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:26 pm How exactly did UNI make the playoffs? I know they have some strong wins, but it also looks as if they only have 5 FCS level wins.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:31 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:26 pm How exactly did UNI make the playoffs? I know they have some strong wins, but it also looks as if they only have 5 FCS level wins.

At Thomas is transitional. Same as Dixie State.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:22 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:05 am

You played a D-II school and UNLV. Nice “SOS”….lol Playing that D-II school may cost you a top 4 seed.

Yep. We picked up CWU when JSU backed out of its return game. That DII is probably similar to Dixie State in the computers so…

Regardless, our SoS is better.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:02 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:22 am

Yep. We picked up CWU when JSU backed out of its return game. That DII is probably similar to Dixie State in the computers so…

Regardless, our SoS is better.

And regardless, I was right.

Good luck on 12/3. You’re gonna need it.