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UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:41 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:10 am

I think normal size will do.

So you don't think that winning a Natty this year is a little watered down? Kind of like winning the I-AA Natty in 1979?

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:20 am CAA, between Albany quitting, and the China Virus, is a fooking mess right now. Only 3 of 5 games last Sat, only 1 of 5 games this weekend, 4/10 looks like only 3 of 5.

4/3:
Open date: UD, W&M, JMU, URI
Out: Elon (China Virus), UR (China Virus), Albany (quit), UNH (China Virus)
4/10:
Open date : Villanova, JMU, W&M?)
Out: Elon (China Virus). Albany (quit). UR (likely out, China Virus).

4/17:
Open date: W&M, Elon, UR

-UR has to play 1 more game to be playoff eligible.
-JMU has to play 1 more CAA game to be CAA AQ eligible, and UR is the only CAA South team JMU hasn't played.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:30 am How big of an asterisk should the eventual national champion have next to this season's title?

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:53 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:30 am How big of an asterisk should the eventual national champion have next to this season's title?

Does Alabama have an asterisk next to their NC this past Jan?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:24 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:53 pm
Does Alabama have an asterisk next to their NC this past Jan?

Did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State sit out the season? Montana and Montana State did. Were there as many FBS games cancelled in the fall as there have been FCS games this spring?

It's been a sh!tshow and you want to pretend that everything is normal so that if JMU wins a Natty you can brag about it. It will be an accomplishment but this is a discussion board and it's fair to ask how it compares to previous FCS championships.

Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:54 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State sit out the season? Montana and Montana State did. Were there as many FBS games cancelled in the fall as there have been FCS games this spring?

It's been a sh!tshow and you want to pretend that everything is normal so that if JMU wins a Natty you can brag about it. It will be an accomplishment but this is a discussion board and it's fair to ask how it compares to previous FCS championships.

With a massive asterisk.

And I say that even if NDSU wins its ninth one in 10(?)years.

Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:54 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State sit out the season? Montana and Montana State did. Were there as many FBS games cancelled in the fall as there have been FCS games this spring?

It's been a sh!tshow and you want to pretend that everything is normal so that if JMU wins a Natty you can brag about it. It will be an accomplishment but this is a discussion board and it's fair to ask how it compares to previous FCS championships.

With a massive asterisk.

And I say that even if NDSU wins its ninth one in 10(?)years.

Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:54 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State sit out the season? Montana and Montana State did. Were there as many FBS games cancelled in the fall as there have been FCS games this spring?

It's been a sh!tshow and you want to pretend that everything is normal so that if JMU wins a Natty you can brag about it. It will be an accomplishment but this is a discussion board and it's fair to ask how it compares to previous FCS championships.

With a massive asterisk.

And I say that even if NDSU wins its ninth one in 10(?)years.

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:45 am What was the problem with 1979? The fact that 10-1 Boise was ineligible due to probation? Or the fact that HBCUs were at the top of the poll for much of the season? Something else?

And what was wrong with 2010?

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:45 am What was the problem with 1979? The fact that 10-1 Boise was ineligible due to probation? Or the fact that HBCUs were at the top of the poll for much of the season? Something else?

And what was wrong with 2010?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:19 am

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:45 am What was the problem with 1979? The fact that 10-1 Boise was ineligible due to probation? Or the fact that HBCUs were at the top of the poll for much of the season? Something else?

And what was wrong with 2010?

Choking Their Chicken fans like to argue that early I-AA championships aren't as relevant because a number of good teams hadn't moved up from D2 yet. Delaware won the D2 Natty in 1979 so that seemed like a good year to use as an example.

2010 was the most legit I-AA/FCS championship ever. No question that the best team in the country won it all that year. Anyone that claims otherwise is a whining cry-baby.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:23 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:19 am

Choking Their Chicken fans like to argue that early I-AA championships aren't as relevant because a number of good teams hadn't moved up from D2 yet. Delaware won the D2 Natty in 1979 so that seemed like a good year to use as an example.

2010 was the most legit I-AA/FCS championship ever. No question that the best team in the country won it all that year. Anyone that claims otherwise is a whining cry-baby.

Jensen was down on 2nd and goal, but the refs called a fumble. Refs are part of the game, stands as an EWU win. Eagles won that day, and went on to Champions, something nobody can take away. I'll take that loss and 8 titles since any day.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 pm

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:23 am

Jensen was down on 2nd and goal, but the refs called a fumble. Refs are part of the game, stands as an EWU win. Eagles won that day, and went on to Champions, something nobody can take away. I'll take that loss and 8 titles since any day.

Jensen fumbled. Confirmed by booth review, Gil DoBiden.



Edit: aside from outcome, still the greatest college football game I’ve ever seen.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:57 pm If Richmond beat JMU and UD finishes undefeated is JMU on the bubble?

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:33 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:57 pm If Richmond beat JMU and UD finishes undefeated is JMU on the bubble?

Yes. But I believe there is, and is going to be, some ducking going on.
-UR's game next Sat vs W&M (2nd time) is doubtful.
-All 4 CAA South teams are bye 4/17.
-Elon is probably done.
-The only 2 who haven't played are UR/JMU.

On 4/10, I doubt Villanova, like JMU no one to play next Sat, will be willing to play JMU next Sat (a bus trip), even if JMU was willing to travel. VU could just take the week off, and If VU beats UD on 4/17, a 3-1 VU would take the CAA North over a 4-1/3-1 UD. But if VU played and lost to JMU on 4/10, they wouldn't.

On 4/17 I don't know if UR will play JMU. They'll probably claim Covid, which would robably be BS, as it would be 3 weeks in a row. And if UR thinks they can get an at large (or even the AQ) by ducking JMU, they'll do it. I wish JMU would publicly say we're willing to play UR on 4/17, and for the NCAA to say to UR if you want to be considered for an At large, you have to play JMU.

Maybe JMU can get W&M to play on 4/10 (if UR/W&M is postponed/cancelled) or on 4/17. W&M @ JMU was postponed earlier in the season, JMU won @ W&M 38-10 eight days ago (was a blowout, 28-0 mid 2nd, 38-3 in the 4th).

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:19 am Choking Their Chicken fans like to argue that early I-AA championships aren't as relevant because a number of good teams hadn't moved up from D2 yet. Delaware won the D2 Natty in 1979 so that seemed like a good year to use as an example.

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:32 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:19 am Choking Their Chicken fans like to argue that early I-AA championships aren't as relevant because a number of good teams hadn't moved up from D2 yet. Delaware won the D2 Natty in 1979 so that seemed like a good year to use as an example.

And they'd be right.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:56 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:33 pm
Yes. But I believe there is, and is going to be, some ducking going on.
-UR's game next Sat vs W&M (2nd time) is doubtful.
-All 4 CAA South teams are bye 4/17.
-Elon is probably done.
-The only 2 who haven't played are UR/JMU.

On 4/10, I doubt Villanova, like JMU no one to play next Sat, will be willing to play JMU next Sat (a bus trip), even if JMU was willing to travel. VU could just take the week off, and If VU beats UD on 4/17, a 3-1 VU would take the CAA North over a 4-1/3-1 UD. But if VU played and lost to JMU on 4/10, they wouldn't.

On 4/17 I don't know if UR will play JMU. They'll probably claim Covid, which would robably be BS, as it would be 3 weeks in a row. And if UR thinks they can get an at large (or even the AQ) by ducking JMU, they'll do it. I wish JMU would publicly say we're willing to play UR on 4/17, and for the NCAA to say to UR if you want to be considered for an At large, you have to play JMU.

Maybe JMU can get W&M to play on 4/10 (if UR/W&M is postponed/cancelled) or on 4/17. W&M @ JMU was postponed earlier in the season, JMU won @ W&M 38-10 eight days ago (was a blowout, 28-0 mid 2nd, 38-3 in the 4th).

Good analysis. Thx!

GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:49 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:32 am
And they'd be right.

And teams hadn't moved down from DI-A either. Pretty good rule of thumb is that from the 1982 season onward, you had a legitimate I-AA/FCS classification. By 1982, there were well more than double the number of teams that played in that 1979 season.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:49 am

And teams hadn't moved down from DI-A either. Pretty good rule of thumb is that from the 1982 season onward, you had a legitimate I-AA/FCS classification. By 1982, there were well more than double the number of teams that played in that 1979 season.

And I would argue that the 2021 FCS Championship is no more legit than a pre-1982 I-AA Championship.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:41 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 am

And I would argue that the 2021 FCS Championship is no more legit than a pre-1982 I-AA Championship.

Eh. has more teams in the playoffs. Pre-1982 (when it moved to a 12 team playoff), you had just 8 teams make the playoffs, and in the early years just 4 teams. A 16 team slate this year does at least mean you'll have 16 teams committed to playing the season out. But I agree, it's not the same as a normal fall season, that's obvious.

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:04 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:41 am
Eh. has more teams in the playoffs. Pre-1982 (when it moved to a 12 team playoff), you had just 8 teams make the playoffs, and in the early years just 4 teams. A 16 team slate this year does at least mean you'll have 16 teams committed to playing the season out. But I agree, it's not the same as a normal fall season, that's obvious.

Hence why we agreed there would be an asterisk. You pot stirring is sorely lacking 88.